| gabrielboys | can some answer a couple basic questions for me about setting up the layout of a site | 00:00 |
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| philiKON | just ask questions. if there's anyone who can answer the question s/he will answer | 00:00 |
| gabrielboys | cool | 00:00 |
| philiKON | i didn't say you'll get your answers :) | 00:01 |
| gabrielboys | understood, helps just to write it out anyway ;) | 00:03 |
| gabrielboys | I am setting up a site, and have been reading through a couple of Zope3 books and I just want to make sure I have the right general idea with how to set up the site visually. My understinfanding is the following | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | 1) I create a skin and in that skin a new layer plus the defualt and rotterdam layers. | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | 2) I create a macro that holds the basic markup for all of the pages. In this macro I have slots for the differnet parts of the page. | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | I would have slots for the title, meta, style in trhe header. Then in the rest of the doc I put slots where dyanmic content will be going. | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | So for example I would have a main content area, a side bar area and so on. | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | 3) Once I have all these slots set up then I make templates for the different content types I have. So for example in my task there | 00:10 |
| gabrielboys | is a Project that has a bunch of attributes. When the user goes to the template for that Project, they see the attributes from the | 00:11 |
| gabrielboys | project displayed per how the template is set up. | 00:11 |
| gabrielboys | Is that the right genreal idea? | 00:11 |
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| philiKON | i would not base my skin on rotterdam, to be honest | 00:15 |
| philiKON | i've also experimented wiht viewlets recently and am quite satisfied | 00:16 |
| philiKON | they make the whole slot juggling obsolete | 00:16 |
| gabrielboys | ok thanks | 00:17 |
| gabrielboys | I have not checked out viewlets | 00:17 |
| philiKON | there's a skin based on viewlets | 00:17 |
| philiKON | boston | 00:17 |
| philiKON | zope.app.boston | 00:17 |
| philiKON | it's not in a release | 00:17 |
| philiKON | but it's availble in svn | 00:17 |
| philiKON | check it out | 00:17 |
| philiKON | i wouldn't necessarily copy everything that boston does | 00:17 |
| philiKON | but it gives good examples | 00:17 |
| gabrielboys | I just need examples......perfect | 00:17 |
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| gabrielboys | if you are not too busy, could you give me a quick overview of viewlets? | 00:23 |
| flox | see /++apidoc++/Code/zope/viewlet/README.TXT | 00:24 |
| gabrielboys | awesome, thanks | 00:25 |
| flox | i try to use viewlets, too... and i started with Boston skin to understand it. | 00:25 |
| gabrielboys | excellent, thanks for the help | 00:26 |
| flox | np | 00:26 |
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| efge | hi, can anyone explain why I get this: | 01:53 |
| efge | tz = pytz.timezone('Europe/Paris'); print datetime(2006, 7, 1, tzinfo=tz).utcoffset() | 01:54 |
| efge | 0:09:00 instead of 2 hours... | 01:54 |
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| eins | hi | 08:19 |
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| romanofski | moin | 08:30 |
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| baijum | hi all :) | 15:10 |
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| baijum | http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/archives/2006/07/22/plone-and-zope-security (interesting read) | 15:14 |
| baijum | but it's not Zope 3, is it? | 15:16 |
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| ktwilight | lack of confidence in zope3 you are :) | 15:22 |
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| roym | hello folks - what would, if any, be the z3 equivalent of Message queues from the J2EE world (ie: JMS, MQ series, etc)? | 15:43 |
| roym | (being that z3 "subscribers" execute synchronously). | 15:44 |
| benji | roym: not being familiar with the J2EE Message queues, I'd need more information about how they act to help | 15:47 |
| benji | what property of the Z3 event system are you looking to avoid? | 15:47 |
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| roym | benji: message queues basically allow for asynchronous execution - I suppose one could execute the code in a thread - is that the recommended way to do this? | 16:02 |
| roym | Also, there are usually higher level tools built in to monitor/manage queues. | 16:02 |
| benji | I'm still not clear on what you're trying to do, but it sounds like you want zasync (or something like it) | 16:03 |
| roym | ah - let me dig into zasync. | 16:03 |
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| benji | roym: zasync may be Zope 2 only, I don't know if there's a Z3 version | 16:05 |
| benji | Gary and I have talked a bit about doing something like zasync in Z3, but haven't had a nead yet | 16:06 |
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| rocky | roym: there is no equivalent to the best of my knowledge | 16:16 |
| benji | roym: I just talked to Gary, and by coincidence he started work on a Z3 version of zasync this weekend, but it'll probably be quite a while before it sees the light of day | 16:17 |
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| roym | benji, rocky: is there a decent example that might serve for a simple starting point (ie: proper handling of threads in a z3 environment)? | 16:46 |
| Theuni | threads? /me runs | 16:46 |
| benji | roym: I think my advice would be "don't" :) | 16:46 |
| benji | If you really need something like that, I'd have a seperate process that pulls things off a persistent queue and processes them | 16:47 |
| benji | you can use ZEO so two processes (Z3 and your other thing) can both access the same ZODB | 16:47 |
| roym | sometimes knowing what not to do is more valuable than knowing what to do - this seems like a good case in point. thanks! | 16:48 |
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| baldtrol | hi all. i'm sure i've run into and solved this before, but i can't remember how now. :\ | 17:22 |
| baldtrol | i have a btreecontainer that has some attributes. if i set up IReadContainer and then require permissions for the attributes, it works. but then i can't delete anything from the container, because I need IWriteContainer also, which conflicts with the require perms for hte attributes... | 17:23 |
| Theuni | right. you'll either have to rearrange that in your own interfaces, or just specify the writable attributes by listing them | 17:24 |
| baldtrol | hmm. like how? i'm confused. | 17:25 |
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| Theuni | humm? if you listed the attributes for a permission requiredment, do the same for the write-interface (except leaving out those already given away for read permissions) | 17:28 |
| * Theuni wonders if he actually misses something ... | 17:28 | |
| Theuni | wasn't there a difference between reading an attribute and writing it? | 17:29 |
| baldtrol | hmm... yessir. i know you can set both of them, but usually i just set_schema. | 17:29 |
| baldtrol | is set_schema and IWriteContainer the place where i'm seeing the conflict, do you think? | 17:29 |
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| Theuni | You mentioned a set of attributes on the read permission. That's maybe conflicting with the IWriteContainer? | 17:32 |
| baldtrol | hmm. well, with just IReadContainer set, i can put my permissions on both the read and write of the attributes. and i can create content in the btree. but __delitem__ is forbidden. i assumed that was from the zcml permissions. but maybe it's from something else? | 17:34 |
| Theuni | well, __delitem__ should belong to IWriteContainer, if I'm not mistaken | 17:35 |
| Theuni | So why don't you just declare <require permission="your.writepermission" interface="zope.app.container.interfaces.IWriteContainer"/> ? | 17:35 |
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| baldtrol | i did... but having permissions set on the attributes at the same time breaks things. argh to me! ;) | 17:45 |
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| baldtrol | Theuni: turns out, i just needed to derive from IContainer. I had, for whatever reason, thought i should build my interfaces from Interface and set the zcml up as necessary. didn't realize i should/could be deriving from IContainer. my mistake. | 18:05 |
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| timte | hmm, bin/runzope finds zope that belongs to python-zopeinterfaces that is installed as a dependency on twisted | 19:40 |
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| whit | anyone having any issues with svn.zope.org? | 21:55 |
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