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| tav | hmz, anyone know where i can find a zodb egg? | 03:44 |
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| tav | aha http://download.zope.org/distribution/ | 03:56 |
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| CSWookie | Hey, if I have a tal path: context/Age/hours, where Age is a callable that takes no arguments and returns dictionary that has the key 'hours' in it, should that work? | 06:05 |
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| romanofski | moin moin | 09:36 |
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| baijum | philiKON, toggle the execution of ZCML actions to false ? | 14:35 |
| baijum | how to toggle ? | 14:36 |
| * baijum realise that testing the loading of zope.app.zcmlfiles is not in zope.configuration | 14:36 | |
| baijum | is not good | 14:37 |
| philiKON | xmlconfig.file('file.zcml', some.package, execute=False) | 14:37 |
| philiKON | parses the zcml but doesn't execute it | 14:37 |
| philiKON | it's just an idea | 14:37 |
| baijum | ok, I will try | 14:37 |
| * baijum revert the other test | 14:37 | |
| baijum | will | 14:37 |
| philiKON | definitely | 14:37 |
| baijum | xmlconfig.include only parse and not executing | 14:41 |
| baijum | that test only takes avaerage 0.8 seconds | 14:42 |
| baijum | anyway, I will revert it | 14:43 |
| baijum | because it's not required there atleast | 14:43 |
| baijum | philiKON, thanks ! | 14:43 |
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| CSWookie | Hey, if I have a tal path: context/Age/hours, where Age is a callable that takes no arguments and returns dictionary that has the key 'hours' in it, should that work? | 15:58 |
| philiKON | no | 15:58 |
| CSWookie | Or do I need to wrap the dict in something first? | 15:58 |
| philiKON | python:context.Age()['hours'] | 15:58 |
| philiKON | or | 15:58 |
| CSWookie | I was trying to avoid that. | 15:59 |
| philiKON | tal:define="age context/Age; hours age/hours" | 15:59 |
| CSWookie | Hmm. I think I tried that and got nothing. I'll try it again. | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | I thought python: expressions were frowned upon | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | the tal:define one should work | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | or you can make context.Age a property | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | or you can define properties in the view | 16:02 |
| philiKON | well, if pathe xpressions weren't so fubared, python: would havev to be used a lot less often | 16:06 |
| faassen | I start frowning less and less on python: expressions. :) | 16:06 |
| philiKON | hey faassen | 16:06 |
| faassen | hey. | 16:06 |
| faassen | I mean, path expressions are sort of our own mini language that's not gaining us much. | 16:06 |
| faassen | if we could leave off writing 'python:' python expressions would look almost as clean. | 16:06 |
| philiKON | yup. i've been pondering about making python: the default in a ZPT variant | 16:07 |
| faassen | anyway, Genshi/Kid code can be fairly clean. | 16:07 |
| philiKON | tal:content="context.foo" | 16:07 |
| faassen | I'd just pick Genshi, I mean, if you make it the default your templates would break anyway, so you'd need to rewrite them. it's only a minor step further to convert them to Genshi, though of course we'd need to support THAT then. | 16:07 |
| philiKON | heh, true | 16:07 |
| philiKON | you seem to be talking a lot about genshi lately | 16:07 |
| philiKON | i should give that a try | 16:07 |
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| mgedmin | I should give Genshi a look | 16:12 |
| faassen | it's just something that's easy to learn if you know page templates, with some interesting concepts. | 16:13 |
| faassen | and being picked up by the TurboGears crowd among others of course. | 16:13 |
| faassen | but it seems quite well architected. | 16:13 |
| faassen | that's why I mention it. :) | 16:13 |
| faassen | it's an external templating engine that seems spiritually similar to ZPT, but it's more modern. | 16:14 |
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| mgedmin | Kid had a reputation for being very slow | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | how does Genshi fare in that regard? | 16:31 |
| faassen | it is a bit faster, but still not very fast. | 16:36 |
| faassen | I have no idea how it fares compared to ZPT. | 16:36 |
| faassen | ZPT isn't the fastest, no idea how it compares to Genshi or Kid. | 16:36 |
| niemeyer | faassen: It's faster | 16:39 |
| niemeyer | mgedmin: Genshi is slightly faster, but not too much | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | what is faster, and faster than what? | 16:39 |
| niemeyer | mgedmin: ZPT is faster | 16:39 |
| faassen | ZPT is faster than Genshi which is slightly faster than Kid? | 16:40 |
| niemeyer | faassen: Precisely. Sorry for not being clear | 16:40 |
| faassen | niemeyer: well, thanks for the information. :) | 16:40 |
| faassen | niemeyer: what kind of benchmarking? | 16:40 |
| niemeyer | faassen: I've done some benchmarking on my own, using a page with basic structures. | 16:41 |
| niemeyer | faassen: The Genshi page has benchmarks as well, IIRC, which confirm what I've seen. | 16:41 |
| faassen | it's just hard to say what the real world impact is. | 16:42 |
| niemeyer | faassen: Right.. | 16:42 |
| faassen | I mean, what if you use a lot of macros in ZPT or the xpath replace story in Genshi. | 16:42 |
| faassen | but it's interesting data nonetheless, thanks. :) | 16:42 |
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| softdevr | hi, I'm trying to register a subscriber in ZCML. The example I have from S.Richter's book only specifies for and factory attributes but that won't compile. It complains that a provided interface must be specified. Has this changed since the book was published? | 18:39 |
| philiKON | yes, a lot | 18:40 |
| softdevr | is there anywhere that documents to changes? | 18:49 |
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| philiKON | softdevr: my book :) | 18:50 |
| philiKON | seriously, stephan's book is great, but it *is* outdated | 18:51 |
| philiKON | i recently published an updated version of mine | 18:51 |
| philiKON | http://worldcookery.com | 18:51 |
| softdevr | I've ordered the second edition, I hope that's not just been updated | 18:51 |
| philiKON | huh? | 18:52 |
| philiKON | the second edition is the most recent one | 18:52 |
| softdevr | ok, well do you know of any documentation for the new subscriber ZCML, I don't want to have to wait until the book arrives if possible | 18:53 |
| philiKON | do you know apidoc? | 18:53 |
| philiKON | http://localhost:8080/++apidoc++ | 18:53 |
| philiKON | (works when developer-mode is enabled in zope.conf) | 18:54 |
| softdevr | Yeah, the book section in there covering events covers python | 18:54 |
| philiKON | there's a ZCML section | 18:54 |
| philiKON | explaining each ZCML directive | 18:54 |
| softdevr | I can see the ZCML spec for subscriber, but from what I've read the subscriber adapts to the 'None' interface. I'm not sure how I can specify that in the provides attribute, or is this one of the things that has now changed? | 18:55 |
| philiKON | no | 18:55 |
| philiKON | subscribers are typically functions | 18:56 |
| philiKON | @adapter(ITheEvent) | 18:56 |
| philiKON | def foo(event): | 18:56 |
| philiKON | ... do something here | 18:56 |
| philiKON | you register them using <subscriber handler="...foo" /> | 18:56 |
| philiKON | in the future, you can just go to apidoc and look at the explanations for the directive | 18:56 |
| philiKON | e.g. the subscriber directive | 18:56 |
| softdevr | Its not clear to me which of the attributes for the subscriber directive I have to specify and which I dont from looking at apidoc | 18:58 |
| philiKON | hmm | 18:58 |
| philiKON | well, it's the 'handler' attribute | 18:59 |
| softdevr | Yeah, but its difficult to figure that out from apidoc independently | 18:59 |
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| philiKON | ok, i can see that | 19:00 |
| philiKON | yet another argument to get my book ;) | 19:00 |
| softdevr | Well yeah, I gave in and bought it in the end :) | 19:00 |
| softdevr | Zope3 is difficult to pick up without something like that | 19:01 |
| philiKON | i would say a lot of large frameworks are | 19:01 |
| philiKON | i sure wouldn't try to learn J2EE w/o a book | 19:02 |
| philiKON | or .NET | 19:02 |
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| softdevr | Yeah fair point | 19:03 |
| alga | there are always online guides | 19:03 |
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| softdevr | alga: do you usually google questions or could you point out a few that are good up-to-date references | 19:04 |
| alga | eh... in case of Zope 3 I usually read the source | 19:05 |
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| alga | I think srichter's book is sufficient to get the grasp of concepts, and then you should be able to make your way around the source | 19:07 |
| alga | Although I have the impressions philiKON's book is better written | 19:07 |
| timte | a cookbook would be nice | 19:07 |
| philiKON | tarek started one | 19:08 |
| timte | 1000 "how do I solve this" recipes | 19:08 |
| philiKON | it used to be at zope-cookbook.org | 19:08 |
| philiKON | some people are also taking things from the zope3-users list and putting them in a FAQ | 19:09 |
| timte | http://www.zope-cookbook.org/ is no more it seems, atleast it's down | 19:09 |
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