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| baijum | is there any buildout recipe for building application completey from egg ? | 05:55 |
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| * baijum want to create a Zope 3 hello world app for demo using buildout and eggs (now all packages are eggified, including zope.app) | 05:58 | |
| * baijum thinking to create a buildout recipe for building application completey from egg (if not available) | 06:01 | |
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| baijum | hi philiKON | 06:08 |
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| chaoflow_ | baijum, philiKON! | 06:28 |
| chaoflow_ | you are listed as mentors for the google summer of code | 06:28 |
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| chaoflow_ | I want to apply as a student and proposed a project in the wiki http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SummerOfCode2007 | 06:29 |
| chaoflow_ | Do you have a moment to give me a short opinion on it? It's the LODB - ldap object database | 06:30 |
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| baijum | chaoflow_, hi | 06:32 |
| chaoflow_ | hi baijum :) | 06:32 |
| * baijum trying to access wiki page | 06:33 | |
| chaoflow_ | it seems overloaded these days | 06:33 |
| baijum | yep | 06:33 |
| philiKON | chaoflow_: what's this "LODB" thing supposed to be? | 06:35 |
| chaoflow_ | philiKON: did you read the wiki, or is it not available at the moment? | 06:36 |
| philiKON | doesn't seem to be | 06:36 |
| chaoflow_ | k | 06:37 |
| chaoflow_ | ldap uses objectClasses to describe the interfaces to its entries | 06:37 |
| chaoflow_ | attributeTypes describe the attributes and object can have | 06:37 |
| chaoflow_ | I want to map this to zope.schema fields and zope.interface interfaces | 06:37 |
| philiKON | i see it now | 06:37 |
| philiKON | i fail to see how this relates to the zope project | 06:38 |
| philiKON | sure, it uses zope software | 06:38 |
| philiKON | but so do a lot of other people | 06:38 |
| chaoflow_ | by that, a full copy of an ldap directory can be kept within zope and ldap as another request protocol can be implemented | 06:38 |
| chaoflow_ | it would enable better integration of zope and ldap | 06:39 |
| philiKON | ok | 06:39 |
| philiKON | sounds like a neat idea | 06:39 |
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| philiKON | but i don't think this is on the top todolist of any zope proejct right now | 06:40 |
| chaoflow_ | k - pity | 06:40 |
| chaoflow_ | you know of another project it might fit in? | 06:40 |
| chaoflow_ | do you think its interesting for plone | 06:40 |
| chaoflow_ | ? | 06:40 |
| philiKON | no idea | 06:42 |
| philiKON | you should talk to them | 06:42 |
| chaoflow_ | right - makes sense ;) | 06:43 |
| srichter | I think there is never much excitement about LDAP; people use it because they have to ;-) | 06:45 |
| chaoflow_ | well, it could really, really easy | 06:46 |
| chaoflow_ | ... be ... | 06:46 |
| chaoflow_ | you just declare an interface on a zope object and woosh it appears in ldap | 06:46 |
| srichter | chaoflow_: anywyas, I would not want to discourage you from doing what you want to do | 06:46 |
| srichter | after all, SoC is about allowing some experimentation | 06:47 |
| srichter | that should be: experimenting | 06:47 |
| chaoflow_ | integration of DNS, mail, whatever with zope in the center | 06:47 |
| philiKON | experimenting is one thing | 06:48 |
| chaoflow_ | srichter: how is it working? I am applying and telling which organization I would like as mentoring organization? | 06:48 |
| philiKON | getting money for that is another | 06:48 |
| philiKON | yes | 06:48 |
| philiKON | the zope foundation's projects have a lot of goals | 06:48 |
| philiKON | and the project suggestions should circle around these goals | 06:48 |
| chaoflow_ | then you guys would say yes or no and in case of yes, google would say yes or no? | 06:48 |
| philiKON | i think so | 06:49 |
| srichter | chaoflow_: right, but you think about it very academincally; think from the perspective of the user | 06:49 |
| philiKON | chaoflow_: the problem is that even though it's a neat idea, i don't think anybody really wants zope to be in the center of DNS, mail, etc. | 06:49 |
| srichter | chaoflow_: how often do I mess with an LDAP DB as a Zope developer; chances are, very rarely, so your target audience is very small | 06:49 |
| philiKON | chaoflow_: in fact, we as the zope community want to do less | 06:50 |
| philiKON | we don't want to maintain our own servers, our own packaging, ... | 06:50 |
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| philiKON | these are the things we'd like to see support in | 06:50 |
| chaoflow_ | philiKON: sorry - lost you | 06:51 |
| philiKON | ? | 06:51 |
| chaoflow_ | in what would you like to see support? | 06:52 |
| philiKON | getting out of the server business | 06:52 |
| philiKON | for example | 06:52 |
| philiKON | or getting out of the configuration business | 06:52 |
| philiKON | there are already suggested projects that outline these things | 06:53 |
| philiKON | pcardune_away: btw, did you suggest that ajax project? | 06:54 |
| pcardune_away | philiKON: yes | 06:54 |
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| philiKON | pcardune: aha, it doesn't say you did | 06:54 |
| chaoflow_ | you mean that zope itself wants to focus more on the "tuning" python and infrastructure for programming and that my idea is more in the direction of an application of zope and therefore not interesting for the zope foundation? | 06:54 |
| philiKON | pcardune: also, i'm curious what you think "ajax versions" of widgets are and why you think all widgets should have such versinos | 06:55 |
| philiKON | pcardune: all in all, a little more motivational text (not too long, one paragraph) would be nice... | 06:55 |
| philiKON | right now it's just a lineup of buzzwords | 06:55 |
| philiKON | chaoflow_: right | 06:55 |
| pcardune | philiKON: that is a very good point | 06:55 |
| pcardune | I have a tendency to think people know what I'm thinking ;) | 06:56 |
| philiKON | :) | 06:56 |
| chaoflow_ | philiKON: I understand | 06:56 |
| srichter | btw, with the existing widget framework it will be very difficult to do AJAX stuff | 06:57 |
| srichter | pcardune: Roger and I are working on replacements to allow for easy AJAX, so I can help there; I even have some preliminary desiugn notes | 06:58 |
| philiKON | so perhaps it'd be interesting to explore a different widget system even | 06:58 |
| philiKON | great | 06:58 |
| philiKON | there's also the tosca widget system, for example | 06:58 |
| philiKON | we could build on existing stuff | 06:58 |
| philiKON | no point in re-implementing every widget yet again | 06:58 |
| pcardune | right, i heard about that project but haven't had a change to look into it yet | 06:59 |
| philiKON | the proposal could allude to all these things | 06:59 |
| baijum | philiKON, for the project idea "Run Zope 3 using Python 2.5", I don't have enough expertise to mentor alone. So I can only co-mentor that project. | 07:17 |
| philiKON | ok | 07:18 |
| * philiKON goes to bed | 07:18 | |
| pcardune | srichter: I just updated my proposal on the zope3 wiki | 07:27 |
| pcardune | srichter: I'm very interested in your preliminary design notes and also the replacement widgets you are working on | 07:27 |
| srichter | ok | 07:28 |
| srichter | shoot me an E-mail so I can send you some stuff | 07:28 |
| pcardune | srichter: sent | 07:32 |
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| romanofski | moin | 09:34 |
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| * baijum managed to run a Zope 3 app soley from eggs: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2007-March/022004.html | 11:12 | |
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| timte | Is there a method for removing an interface? The opposite of alsoProvides? | 12:01 |
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| timte | Maybe we could add one? | 12:06 |
| d2m | timte: look at zope.interface.adapter.txt, search for 'unregister' | 12:10 |
| timte | d2m: but I'm not using the registry directly | 12:12 |
| jhauser | if IUCSubSite in providedBy(self.context): | 12:24 |
| jhauser | directlyProvides(self.context, directlyProvidedBy(self.context)-IUCSubSite) | 12:24 |
| jhauser | self.context.isSubSite = None | 12:24 |
| jhauser | else: | 12:24 |
| jhauser | directlyProvides(self.context, directlyProvidedBy(self.context), IUCSubSite) | 12:24 |
| jhauser | self.context.isSubSite = True | 12:24 |
| jhauser | That's not a method, but an example way to remove an interface | 12:24 |
| timte | yeah, a cumbersome one if you compare to removeProvides(self.context, IUCSubsite) :) | 12:32 |
| timte | well, not _that_ cumbersome | 12:34 |
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| dataflake | anyone available for a formlib/widgets-related question? :) | 13:01 |
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| rocky | hm, if i have a formlib form that is submitted to that is missing a "foobar" query arg and the formlib formlibs schema stuff has a foobar field that is not required, why does it blow up with FormError: ('No input', 'foobar') ? | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | newer zope has that fixed | 17:47 |
| rocky | ah | 17:47 |
| rocky | i'm on zope 2.9/3.2 | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | 3.2 trunk has the fix backported | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | latest 3.2 point release probably doesn't | 17:48 |
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| rocky | gotcha | 17:49 |
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| tlotze | moin | 23:15 |
| tlotze | I'm currently playing around with zope.pagetemplate and zope.exceptions in an otherwise Zope-unrelated context. When looking at the traceback info and supplement stuff, I get the impression, though, that it isn't that widely used throughout Zope 3. Is that about right? | 23:18 |
| tlotze | So what's the status and destiny of those mechanisms? | 23:18 |
| tlotze | Also, the PageTemplateTracebackSupplement stores the template in a manageable_object attribute that is used absolutely nowhere else... makes me wonder about the state of things, too. | 23:19 |
| jkakar | I'm using the latest trunk with a custom importer. In trying to run tests my importer (which in the case of any imports outside my own code delegates directly to the builtin __import__) is blowing up trying to import zope.app.layer.zope.app.rotterdam, which doesn't exist. | 23:19 |
| jkakar | I notice that zope.app.component.back35.LayerField.fromUnicode() is add "zope.app.layer" to the name being imported. | 23:20 |
| jkakar | Is it an error that LayerField.fromUnicode() isn't catching ImportError here? Any tips on where to look to understand why "zope.app.layer" is being prepended to the import name? ie: Is Zope (supposed to be) futzing with sys.modules to make that a valid import? | 23:21 |
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| philiKON | tlotze: i think the idea was/is to print useful information in a traceback formatter | 23:37 |
| tlotze | sure | 23:39 |
| tlotze | I just wonder whether this got stuck at some point. | 23:39 |
| tlotze | Looks a bit like it to me... | 23:39 |
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