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| tjs | having trouble with the egg for zope.security 3.4.0b5 | 04:06 |
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| tjs | failing to compile _proxy.c | 04:06 |
| tjs | just trying out zopeproject, is anyone responsible for that around? | 04:07 |
| strichter | tjs: linux? | 04:10 |
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| tjs | yep, feisty | 04:11 |
| tjs | can pastebin the error if that helps | 04:11 |
| tjs | http://rafb.net/p/9vp0Zk83.html | 04:21 |
| tjs | nm I'm an idiot | 04:25 |
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| baijum | srichter, ayt ? | 08:31 |
| baijum | srichter, Can you bump version number in trunk for the package you released recently ? http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/StabilizeEggPackages | 08:32 |
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| baijum | srichter, If release is '3.4.0', use '3.4.1dev' as next version | 08:33 |
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| baijum | srichter, ping ? | 16:11 |
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| srichter | baijum: pong | 16:12 |
| baijum | srichter, Can you please bump version number in trunk for the package you released recently ? | 16:12 |
| baijum | srichter, If release is '3.4.0', use '3.4.1dev' as next version | 16:12 |
| srichter | baijum: why? there was no consensus last week, and I Find version bumping totally stupid | 16:13 |
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| srichter | you cannot anticipate the next release | 16:13 |
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| baijum | srichter, hmm.. but we need a consensus ... | 16:14 |
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| srichter | baijum: of course we do; I check the tags in SVN anyways to amke sure | 16:15 |
| srichter | baijum: what I really want is a tool | 16:16 |
| baijum | srichter, I agree, a tool would be good | 16:16 |
| srichter | baijum: then it is totally irrelevant what the trunk setup.py version is | 16:16 |
| srichter | baijum: and then, ... I want a Zope 3 something that let's me define a stable set :-) | 16:21 |
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| baijum | srichter, if you are using buildout, you can use versions option to pin down versions | 16:23 |
| srichter | baijum: yep, I know; I need this for the releases already :-( | 16:24 |
| srichter | baijum: I just need to create some sort of Zope 3 meta-egg or whatever you want to call it and set versions on them | 16:25 |
| srichter | and figure out a way I can run all the tests for every package in that configuration | 16:25 |
| baijum | you can use zc.recipe.testrunner recipe for that, just list all eggs you want there | 16:26 |
| srichter | baijum: right, that's just very tedious; it would be nice, if it would build that buildout.cfg for me from the dependencies | 16:27 |
| baijum | you want to test only dependencies or all packages in Zope 3 ? | 16:28 |
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| baijum | If you want to test all packages, you can use extends option along with testrunner in which extends points to a url which lists all packages to be tested | 16:30 |
| srichter | baijum: I want to create a set of packages (with their version numbers) that resemble a classic Zope 3 release | 16:31 |
| srichter | baijum: I want to be able to run all tests in that set to ensure they work together well | 16:31 |
| baijum | hmm...may be another recipe might be the way to go ... | 16:32 |
| srichter | baijum: yeah, I have not thought about it very hard | 16:32 |
| srichter | but basically, I want a package manifest, which then generates pretty much everything for me | 16:33 |
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| srichter | baijum: do you know how I can setup a global egg cache for buildout, so that it does not constantly store the same package again | 16:44 |
| ignas | srichter: eggs-directory = /home/ignas/.buildout-eggs in [buildout] section works for me | 16:45 |
| baijum | srichter, You mean eggs-directory option in buildout ? | 16:45 |
| ignas | not sure what's the right way though | 16:45 |
| srichter | baijum: ignas can I have this entry in my .buildout.cfg as well? | 16:46 |
| ignas | hmm, what's .buildout.cfg ? | 16:46 |
| srichter | I meant /.buildout/default.cfg | 16:47 |
| * ignas goes to try out | 16:47 | |
| ignas | cool it works :D | 16:48 |
| ignas | thanks | 16:48 |
| srichter | great! | 16:48 |
| ignas | i guess i should move my .buildout-eggs to .buildout/eggs now :) | 16:49 |
| baijum | srichter, may be you can also use newest = false option | 16:49 |
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| srichter | baijum: for what? | 16:50 |
| baijum | srichter, from buildout doc: With this setting, buildout will not seek | 16:50 |
| baijum | new distributions if installed distributions satisfy it's | 16:50 |
| baijum | requirements. | 16:50 |
| srichter | baijum: right, newest = false generically is a bit dangerous though | 16:51 |
| srichter | I prefer the explicit -N option | 16:51 |
| ignas | a question | 16:52 |
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| ignas | importing ZopeMessageFactory from the old location | 16:53 |
| ignas | is giving deprecation warnings | 16:53 |
| ignas | that tell you to import it from zope.i18n | 16:53 |
| ignas | though philikon told me that it's a bad idea | 16:53 |
| ignas | should the warning be fixed? | 16:53 |
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| baijum | ignas, where was the old location of ZopeMessageFactory ? | 16:54 |
| srichter | ignas: I don't think it is a bad idea at all | 16:54 |
| srichter | baijum: it was in zope.app.i18n | 16:55 |
| srichter | which pulled ina alot of stuff | 16:55 |
| srichter | I think we moved it to zope.i18nmessageid | 16:55 |
| baijum | now it is in zope.i18nmessageid, is it ? | 16:55 |
| srichter | because any package worrying about i18n uses zope.i18nmessgeid | 16:55 |
| baijum | ah. ok | 16:55 |
| srichter | it was a compromize to massively reduce inter-dependencies | 16:55 |
| ignas | srichter: the point is that zope.i18nmessageid only has that factory since 3.4.2 | 16:56 |
| ignas | and most people do not update dependencies | 16:56 |
| ignas | and such "fix" for the warning | 16:56 |
| ignas | is not really backwards compatible | 16:56 |
| srichter | why not? | 16:56 |
| srichter | we do this all the time | 16:56 |
| srichter | remove from one location and move it to another | 16:56 |
| srichter | and provide a warning in the old location | 16:57 |
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| ignas | yes, but every package that starts using the new location, should at least explicitly state that it need the version of the new location package | 16:57 |
| ignas | that is new enough | 16:57 |
| srichter | yep, you are probably right :-( | 16:58 |
| srichter | oh man, this all sucks | 16:58 |
| ignas | and when you download zope.app.catalog 3.5.0a3 for example you suddenly realise that it does not work with your | 16:58 |
| ignas | zope.i18nmessageid 3.4.0 | 16:59 |
| ignas | that's not a hypothetical example ;) | 17:00 |
| srichter | oh, I know | 17:00 |
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| srichter | this is the perfect example, why we need to keep track of a stable set | 17:01 |
| srichter | the situation will not get better, just worse | 17:01 |
| ignas | in my very humble opinion | 17:01 |
| srichter | the more development diverges from the trunk the worse the issue will get | 17:01 |
| ignas | the assumption that everyone who can commit, should have the right to release | 17:02 |
| ignas | is a bit flawed :( | 17:02 |
| srichter | I don't think so | 17:02 |
| ignas | everyone who has right to commit should be able to release N.N.Ndev eggs | 17:02 |
| srichter | I think we are blaming people, where we should blame the lack of tools | 17:03 |
| ignas | i think releasing is inherently complex | 17:03 |
| ignas | in svn | 17:03 |
| srichter | I have already spent at least 15 working days dealing with eggs; if we would have one large Zope trunk, this is the time I would spent for 3 full release cycles (including alphas and betas) | 17:03 |
| ignas | you can revert a wrong commit | 17:03 |
| ignas | you can't unrelease an egg | 17:04 |
| srichter | the problem is that we lack man-power | 17:04 |
| srichter | I pointed out the issue back when eggs started and was ignored | 17:04 |
| baijum | srichter, I agree | 17:04 |
| srichter | we effectively have something like a Linux distribution now | 17:05 |
| ignas | a bad one :( | 17:05 |
| srichter | there are a lot of people trying to get a Linux distribution right | 17:05 |
| srichter | ignas: yep | 17:05 |
| srichter | looking at Linux distros I realize we need some staging mechanism | 17:06 |
| srichter | I think a Zope 3 meta-egg (or whatever form it would take) that tracks a stable set would be a first good step | 17:06 |
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| ignas | yes, otherwise done the right way an egg release is way too difficult to be left to everyone, i mean - every egg must be tested with all the eggs in it's "dependency range" | 17:07 |
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| ignas | i don't even know how to do that, but releasing an new version of an egg so i would be sure i won't break schooltool, without having access to schooltool code seems very hard to do | 17:08 |
| ignas | though that's what should be done when releasing a "stable" 3.4.2 or 3.4.3 for example egg | 17:09 |
| srichter | yep, exactely | 17:09 |
| srichter | this was exactely Roger's complaint | 17:10 |
| ignas | i am wondering how you will resolve evolution issues | 17:12 |
| srichter | ignas: manually by slowly updating a stable set | 17:12 |
| ignas | you see i think - evolution scripts will have to be split up among packages | 17:12 |
| ignas | and if that happens | 17:12 |
| ignas | you won't have control over the order of execution of evolution scripts anymore | 17:13 |
| srichter | absolutely, they have to be split up | 17:13 |
| srichter | I agree | 17:13 |
| srichter | it is very sad to see that none of those issues were worked out before | 17:13 |
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| wiggy | how do you test for a permission? | 17:16 |
| ignas | canAccess and canWrite | 17:17 |
| wiggy | custom permission | 17:17 |
| ignas | yes | 17:18 |
| ignas | it's for custom permissions | 17:18 |
| ignas | look at the signature | 17:18 |
| ignas | hmm, ok, maybe not | 17:18 |
| ignas | well - it is not checking for a permission | 17:18 |
| wiggy | looks like I have to use checkPermission | 17:19 |
| ignas | it is checking whether you have access to the attribute | 17:19 |
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| wiggy | what permission does canAccess check? | 17:25 |
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| ignas | wiggy: it's a capability based check | 17:31 |
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| wiggy | but what manages that capability? | 17:31 |
| ignas | it checks whatever permission was required to "read" that attribute was set in zcml | 17:31 |
| ignas | look at class directives | 17:31 |
| ignas | so if you set that to access "title" of an object you need "my-package.read" permission | 17:32 |
| * wiggy has zalchemy objects here, non-ZODB | 17:32 | |
| ignas | there is no difference | 17:32 |
| wiggy | and I need to combine dynamic locales roles into that | 17:32 |
| ignas | you still have <class > directives | 17:32 |
| ignas | it will check if currently logged in principal | 17:32 |
| wiggy | hm | 17:32 |
| ignas | has this permission | 17:32 |
| wiggy | where is that stuff defined? | 17:33 |
| ignas | so it will translate into "check what permission is needed to read this attribute" and checkPermission("permission", object) | 17:33 |
| ignas | which stuff? | 17:33 |
| wiggy | the <class> stuff which control this | 17:33 |
| ignas | zcml | 17:33 |
| wiggy | so I can look up the right syntax to us | 17:33 |
| ignas | oh, zcml directives | 17:33 |
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| ignas | http://apidoc.zope.org/++apidoc++/ZCML/http_co__sl__sl_namespaces.zope.org_sl_zope/class/index.html | 17:34 |
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| * wiggy suspects that breaks with grok stripping security proxies | 17:36 | |
| ignas | yes canAccess will break | 17:36 |
| wiggy | but I can sort that out | 17:37 |
| ignas | because the first step is performed by security proxy | 17:37 |
| ignas | or maybe not, hmm | 17:37 |
| wiggy | now.. if you would also happen to know how local roles work :) | 17:37 |
| ignas | you should try it | 17:37 |
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| ignas | wiggy: no idea, sorry, i am using a custom security policy for more than a year already | 17:37 |
| wiggy | ah | 17:38 |
| * wiggy is hoping for an adapter that returns a list of local roles for a principal | 17:38 | |
| ignas | and roles come in the checkPermission step | 17:38 |
| ignas | principal has an attribute that lists all the ids for roles he has iirc | 17:38 |
| wiggy | no, only groups | 17:38 |
| ignas | oh, yes | 17:39 |
| ignas | just saw that | 17:39 |
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| ignas | wiggy: the logic for checking roles is described in the class ZopeSecurityPolicy | 17:42 |
| ignas | but it's a bit convoluted | 17:42 |
| ignas | for very high values of a bit ;) | 17:42 |
| wiggy | the trick seems to be IPrincipalRoleMap(parent, None) | 17:43 |
| wiggy | which is queried in cached_principal_roles | 17:43 |
| ignas | yes, indeed | 17:44 |
| ignas | if you will be modifying it in a running application | 17:45 |
| ignas | and storing roles <-> principal pairs in the database | 17:45 |
| ignas | do not forget to clean it up when a principal is removed ;) | 17:46 |
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| wiggy | I'm not storing anything | 17:47 |
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| wiggy | how does one grant a role to a group through python? | 19:38 |
| wiggy | I was expecting a IPrincipalRoleManager utility, but that isn't there | 19:39 |
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| TresEquis | wiggy: you could look at what the ZCML handlers do | 19:57 |
| wiggy | finally figured it out | 19:57 |
| wiggy | took me 5 hours to implement user management and security for a grok app | 19:57 |
| wiggy | the pain of learning a new environment | 19:57 |
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| redir | wiggy I feel your pain | 20:09 |
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| rocky | anyone know the traditional way to feed the "extra" information into a menuItem or subMenuItem ? | 21:29 |
| rocky | doesn't look to be a zcml attribute | 21:29 |
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| wiggy | it's a dictionary passed in as a parameter to the constructor | 21:32 |
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| rocky | wiggy: indeed, but that means there's no way to use zcml to include or somehow generate the "extra" information which seems odd since the directive callbacks take it as an argument | 21:34 |
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| wiggy | no idea | 21:36 |
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| wiggy | for some reason we can't use that zcml in plone 3 anyway | 21:36 |
| spython | Hi, I'm have a zopecomponent in which you add stuff via a function "setMessage(...)" how do I create an "addform" for this? | 21:38 |
| spython | I can't use AddForm because no object is actually created, right? | 21:38 |
| wiggy | wrong | 21:38 |
| wiggy | just use a custom save method | 21:38 |
| spython | ah | 21:39 |
| spython | just override create ? | 21:39 |
| spython | and return None in it | 21:39 |
| spython | and run setMessage(...) in it.. | 21:39 |
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| spython | hmm, this isn't working | 22:10 |
| spython | wiggy: can you be a bit more specific? :O | 22:10 |
| wiggy | just look at what zope.formlib does | 22:10 |
| spython | ah found the error...AddForm.nextURL is accessing self.context.nextURL ... which doesn't exist | 22:12 |
| spython | yeah, need to read the source some more | 22:12 |
| WebMaven | srichter: ping | 22:15 |
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