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| * junkafarian_ waves | 16:08 | |
| junkafarian_ | im getting some strange transaction behaviour | 16:09 |
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| junkafarian_ | i have a persistent object which has a list attribute | 16:10 |
| junkafarian_ | its essentially a stack which with values that get popped and appended | 16:11 |
| junkafarian_ | however, it seems to repopulate itself when the application is restarted | 16:11 |
| junkafarian_ | eg. doesnt successfully commit the transaction or somesuch | 16:12 |
| junkafarian_ | i have tried wrapping it with .begin() and .commit()'s but still no luck | 16:13 |
| junkafarian_ | anyone have any ideas? | 16:13 |
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| mgedmin_ | junkafarian_: are you abusing persistence? | 16:19 |
| mgedmin_ | is that list attribute a regular plain nonpersistent list? | 16:19 |
| mgedmin_ | then you're responsible for telling the persitence framework about every change | 16:19 |
| junkafarian_ | ah k | 16:20 |
| mgedmin_ | it's easier to use a PersistentList instead. | 16:20 |
| junkafarian_ | so i have to specify it as a PersistentList | 16:20 |
| mgedmin_ | I once saw a page describing the rules of ZODB persistence | 16:20 |
| mgedmin_ | I wish I'd bookmarked it | 16:20 |
| junkafarian_ | even though its an attribute of a Persistent object? | 16:20 |
| mgedmin_ | you can rebind attributes (x.attr = new value) | 16:20 |
| mgedmin_ | you can't modify nonpersistent objects bound to attributes (x.attr.append(something)) | 16:21 |
| junkafarian_ | aha | 16:21 |
| mgedmin_ | persistence catches the first one (with a __setattribute__ hook) but cannot catch the second one | 16:21 |
| mgedmin_ | the idiomatic way is x.attr.append(something); x.attr = x.attr # ping persistence | 16:21 |
| junkafarian_ | ah never knew that | 16:21 |
| mgedmin_ | or you could do x._p_changed = True, but that smells hacky to me | 16:21 |
| mgedmin_ | just avoid mutable nonpersitent objects in your content | 16:22 |
| mgedmin_ | you'll save yourself trouble | 16:22 |
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| junkafarian_ | is the x.attr = x.attr using a PersistentList? | 16:22 |
| mgedmin_ | no | 16:22 |
| mgedmin_ | it's just a way to tell persistence that something changed about x | 16:23 |
| junkafarian_ | PersistentList i can just do .append() .pop() etc | 16:23 |
| mgedmin_ | yes | 16:23 |
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| junkafarian_ | fantabulous | 16:24 |
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| tarek | ping jodok | 17:47 |
| jodok | hi tarek | 17:48 |
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| tarek | I have worked on lovely | 17:48 |
| tarek | lovely.buildouthttp | 17:48 |
| tarek | for a problem that we have here: | 17:48 |
| tarek | the realm is not always known by people and | 17:49 |
| tarek | if they don't have the right tool, it's hard to find | 17:49 |
| tarek | so i have made a small change that gets the realm out of the headers on the first authentication error | 17:50 |
| tarek | in other words, i removed the realm column from the small conf file | 17:50 |
| tarek | user/pass, is looked for and differently, when the auth error pops | 17:51 |
| tarek | are you interested in such a feature in your package ? | 17:51 |
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| jodok | tarek: re | 18:10 |
| jodok | tarek: that's totally fine | 18:10 |
| tarek | k | 18:15 |
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| ChrisW | hey all, I'm using python 2.5 on windows, how do I get the latest and greatest zope.component, zope.security and zope.testing? | 18:53 |
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| mgedmin | you must like pain | 18:55 |
| Theuni | hmm | 18:55 |
| Theuni | did you try mingw? | 18:55 |
| Theuni | i compiled ZODB with mingw/cygwin successfully yesterday | 18:56 |
| Theuni | using python 2.5 | 18:56 |
| Theuni | otoh | 18:56 |
| ChrisW | I just want those three packages ;-) | 18:56 |
| Theuni | i don't know your windows fu | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | download them from pypi? | 18:57 |
| Theuni | do you have a development environment? | 18:57 |
| ChrisW | and yes, the pain comment is fair, given that one of the things on my list isporting RestrictedPython to 2.5 | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | easy_install might actually work on windows | 18:57 |
| Theuni | it does | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | where everyone has admin rights | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | (it doesn't work on linux out of the box) | 18:57 |
| Theuni | we only have a python 2.4 binary egg for windows on the cheeseshop | 18:57 |
| ChrisW | :-( | 18:57 |
| Theuni | mgedmin: i didn't try anything special | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | zope.testing has no binary deps | 18:58 |
| ChrisW | oh well, guess I'll just make do with whatever comes with Zope 2.10 | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | zope.component and zope.security I don't know about | 18:58 |
| Theuni | zope.security has | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | vmware + ubuntu? | 18:58 |
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| Theuni | gnah | 20:36 |
| * Theuni is breaking his fingers trying to parse rst | 20:36 | |
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| Theuni | gah | 20:38 |
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| * Theuni leaves for holidays | 20:38 | |
| Theuni | Happy holidays in advance! | 20:38 |
| benji | The same to you Theuni, enjoy yourself! | 20:40 |
| Theuni | :) | 20:43 |
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