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| supton | What would cause inability for alsoProvides() to set __provides__ on an object? --> AttributeError | 00:14 |
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| lisppaste6 | supton pasted "alsoProvides() fails on some objects" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/56167 | 00:15 |
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| timte | supton: to me (but I'm no super guru) it looks like the conn object has some weird behaviour, an object should be able to get new attributes | 00:18 |
| supton | seems like an inability to set arbitrary attributes on some objects (where class is implemented in C)... | 00:19 |
| timte | supton: try to do conn.__something__ = 2 | 00:19 |
| supton | that fails, as does conn.foo = 1 | 00:19 |
| supton | setting any attributes on this fails. | 00:19 |
| supton | obviously a python/C/pysqlite idiosyncracy I don't understand | 00:19 |
| timte | perhaps conn overrides __setattr__ or something | 00:20 |
| supton | yeah, the C code has some get/set stuff that seems tedious for me to figure out. | 00:23 |
| supton | I'm guessing I should just abandon trying to mark these objects... | 00:23 |
| supton | maybe use some kind of proxy, but that seems like a PITA. | 00:24 |
| supton | my current work (utilities to generate SQL schema from schema fields on interfaces) doesn't strictly require that I mark the connections, I just thought this was odd | 00:25 |
| timte | it is :) | 00:26 |
| supton | The only other place I've seen zope.interface not work well is Django models, where the metaclass removes/overwrites __provides__ attribute when you save (<rant>and any other __whatever__ attributes -- not exactly playing nice with others</rant>)... | 00:27 |
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| supton | that one is Django's fault: too much magic | 00:27 |
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| timte | supton: are you using zope.schema in django? | 00:35 |
| supton | timte: yeah, but having to use proxies for content objects that use django models as persistence backends | 00:36 |
| supton | and a custom descriptor called ProxyFieldProperty that sets/gets on the underlying Django model object from the plain-python, schema-driven content objects | 00:37 |
| supton | this is an experiment a colleage and I are working on | 00:37 |
| timte | ok, cool | 00:37 |
| supton | We do some Django development, but we are writing components for use in a broader context using a minimal zope CA: zope.component, zope.schema, zope.event, transaction, and a few other things | 00:38 |
| supton | but we want to use those components in Django apps too | 00:39 |
| * supton greatly prefers working with zope to Django, but finds merit with both | 00:39 | |
| timte | makes sense, you should do some ranting on the django mailing list that the models are evil | 00:39 |
| supton | probably will | 00:40 |
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| supton | I'm more likely to write a patch, though... not sure how persuasive I can be there | 00:41 |
| timte | it's great that zope.(interface,schema,event,component) are usable in pylons, django etc | 00:41 |
| supton | well, if zope.interface is usable in Django, then the other stuff can be. But obviously, there needs to be the ability to use implements() and alsoProvides() without problems or severe workarounds | 00:42 |
| timte | supton: do you have to initialize registries (like the adapter registries) or can you just use adapters right away in e.g. django without any setup? | 00:42 |
| supton | well, adapters without registry work just fine: MyAdaptedThing(context=MyThingDjangoModel()) works | 00:43 |
| supton | but yeah, if you can't declare that a model class implements an interface, adaptation becomes less natural | 00:44 |
| supton | you cannot use queryAdapter() | 00:44 |
| supton | well, I suppose you could register the adapter even if implements() isn't declared on the class having instances adapted | 00:44 |
| supton | but still | 00:44 |
| supton | utilties should work in Django just fine, though; no need to deal with models, generally | 00:45 |
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| jayaraj | y no activity here???? | 09:37 |
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| __mac__ | no, everyone sleeping ;) | 09:48 |
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| jayaraj | then wake them up.... | 09:54 |
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| jayaraj | hush the last one also slept ....zzzzzzz | 09:59 |
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| __mac__ | what's the problem with this, sleeping is healthy ... | 10:12 |
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| jayaraj | make sure they are not dead.... | 10:18 |
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| __mac__ | so you require a heartbeat of everyone here? | 11:11 |
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| __mac__ | if you have a zope-question, ask it and see how people get awake | 11:12 |
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| malthe | hey | 11:57 |
| malthe | how would I implement an object publisher that did not look for a view named "index" but instead look up some other name (kept with the object itself, for instance)? | 11:59 |
| malthe | or if it's not the publisher that does this, then what is it? | 11:59 |
| __mac__ | maybe you are looking for the default view? | 12:01 |
| malthe | right | 12:04 |
| malthe | I want to override it, you might say. | 12:04 |
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| malthe | it's a dynamic view implementation that I'm looking for, i.e. I would adapt the context to IDynamicView and get the view name. | 12:05 |
| __mac__ | there is a zcml directive to set the default view | 12:05 |
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| malthe | __mac__: what interface does it provide ultimately? | 12:10 |
| __mac__ | don | 12:10 |
| __mac__ | 't know | 12:10 |
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| malthe | k i'll search for it | 12:11 |
| jayaraj | i would like to know is there any way in zope3 to implement client side logics.... | 12:12 |
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| jayaraj | like we can do with aplet or javascript | 12:13 |
| malthe | jayaraj: how would that work? | 12:13 |
| jayaraj | i want to perform some operation at client side! is it possible in zope3 | 12:14 |
| jayaraj | if there is no dirrect method.... next Qn is... can i integrate client side scripts with zope3? | 12:15 |
| malthe | jayaraj: sure you can; but if it's client-side, then it's flash/air/javascript, right? | 12:16 |
| malthe | has nothing to do with Zope. | 12:16 |
| jayaraj | ic | 12:16 |
| malthe | jayaraj: but you can have Zope implement views that can be called from javascript. | 12:17 |
| jayaraj | thanks... i am in the middle of a feasibility study... :) | 12:17 |
| malthe | providing text, xml, json, whatever it is you need. | 12:17 |
| malthe | jayaraj: look into KSS as well; it's server-side control of the client. | 12:18 |
| malthe | it's quite mature but does not round-trips for each interaction. | 12:18 |
| malthe | s/not/need | 12:18 |
| jayaraj | yep i ll look for it | 12:18 |
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| romanofski | a | 12:26 |
| romanofski | bzzz | 12:26 |
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| malthe | __mac__: zope.component.bbb.interfaces.IDefaultViewName --- seems it's deprecated though. | 12:57 |
| __mac__ | hmm | 12:58 |
| malthe | seems it's zope.app.publisher.browser.IDefaultViewNameAPI that I need to implement. | 12:59 |
| malthe | It seems everything concerning this is deprecated; funny that they never mention what's taking over. | 13:02 |
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| __mac__ | see http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ZCMLBrowserViewDirectiveSimplification | 13:06 |
| __mac__ | there seems to be no replacement for IDefaultViewName | 13:06 |
| malthe | proposes to make `index.html` the default view name. | 13:08 |
| malthe | must be overridable though | 13:08 |
| malthe | it's not even obvious where it defines this name as the default. | 13:11 |
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| hazmat | malthe, traverser browserDefault | 14:58 |
| malthe | hazmat: yep found it | 14:58 |
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| hazmat | is it possible to do role based ui without resorting to different app urls by role? | 16:41 |
| wiggy | add roles on traversal? | 16:43 |
| ignas | or do not use @@ to lookup views and write your own view lookup mechanism | 16:45 |
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| hazmat | auth takes place after traversal afaik | 16:48 |
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| jbonilla | anyone come across ZODB.POSException.ConflictError when working with AJAX? Seems like Zope doesn't handle concurrent updates to the same persistent object. | 17:46 |
| wiggy | zope isn't supposed to | 17:46 |
| philiKON | zope actually rarely can | 17:49 |
| bigkevmcd | depends on the object I suppose | 17:50 |
| jbonilla | i was expecting a wait/retry behavior. | 17:51 |
| philiKON | it does that | 17:51 |
| philiKON | up to a certain limit | 17:51 |
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| jbonilla | I see. Surprised the limit was reached in this case. I'm sending 3 or 4 concurrent requests. | 17:53 |
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| philiKON | well, if they are bound to change the same object, you're provoking this behaviour | 17:54 |
| philiKON | better send 1 | 17:54 |
| jbonilla | yeah, I have an app with lots of publish/subscribe behavior in dojo. If I change those AJAX calls to synchronous, everything works. But the UI feels slow since each of those calls are blocking. | 17:58 |
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| benji | jbonilla: and all those requests change the same object? | 18:01 |
| jbonilla | yes | 18:01 |
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| jbonilla | differnt attributes on the object, but same object. | 18:02 |
| benji | I'd look at either combining the write requests or splitting the object. | 18:03 |
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| TheSkrill | hey all, is it safe to use a NameChooser that stores a 'nextId' attr in the container and increments it for each chooseName() call? | 18:30 |
| TheSkrill | I'm mostly concerned with race conditions. | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | I think it's not polite to stick your attributes on other objects | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | how about using an annotation? | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | IAnnotations(container)['yourpackage.yourcontainer'] = nextId | 18:35 |
| hazmat | TheSkrill, its more a spot for conflicts if there are concurrent content creations, than race conditions | 18:36 |
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| TheSkrill | mgedmin, thanks thats a good idea | 19:05 |
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| TheSkrill | hazmat, my consern is when running two instances in front of a ZEO server. would there be an issue with two items reciving the same id? | 19:07 |
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| benji | whitmo__________: what a beautiful, long tail you have | 22:01 |
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| supton | zope.mimetype has an | 22:12 |
| supton | zope.mimetype has an | 22:12 |
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| supton | zope.mimetype has an 'unadvertised' dependency on zope.publisher, it seems | 22:12 |
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| supton | zope.mimetype.typegetter imports zope.publisher.contenttype for two functions... | 22:13 |
| supton | makes for complex dependency chain, which might be unneeeded? | 22:13 |
| supton | dep of zope.publisher yields need for a bunch of zope.app.* deps, which seem extraneous in a minimal CA application | 22:14 |
| supton | that just needs to read in files | 22:14 |
| supton | I'm looking to do type guessing using file magic; there are other python libraries to do this, but I thought I would try zope.mimetype first in my app (which is using zope.component and zope.schema only). | 22:15 |
| wiggy | I'ld suggest bringing it up on the zope-dev list | 22:16 |
| supton | yeah, likely will do that | 22:16 |
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