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| nederhoed | Can someone help me out, I ran working-env.py from Ian, but can't seem to `deactivate`. Now my PYTHONPATH has been changed permanently :S | 01:04 |
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| nederhoed | and consequently I can't get my instance running because of missing imports | 01:05 |
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| instantfoo | when I use z.formlib.form.EditForm the action button's label is "Apply" | 01:11 |
| instantfoo | I would like it to be "Edit" instead, any ideas? | 01:11 |
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| nederhoed | solved, for now... | 01:19 |
| nederhoed | It should be possible to pass a label value, let me see | 01:19 |
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| nederhoed | @instantfoo: can you pass a label argument to the constructor? | 01:24 |
| nederhoed | label="Edit" | 01:24 |
| instantfoo | the label deals with the uhm.. label of the form.. not the edit action button | 01:25 |
| nederhoed | can't help you out... I guess | 01:26 |
| nederhoed | and action="Edit"? | 01:26 |
| instantfoo | thing is, the editform has an form.action function to handle the edit action.. I can see the string "Apply" there | 01:27 |
| instantfoo | @action(_("Apply"), condition=haveInputWidgets) | 01:27 |
| instantfoo | def handle_edit(..): | 01:28 |
| instantfoo | i could copy/paste the entire editformbase and define my own version to use.. but it's a little ugly | 01:29 |
| nederhoed | and in the form template? | 01:29 |
| nederhoed | what variable is assigned to the button label? | 01:29 |
| nederhoed | good luck, time for bed. Hope you'll succeed | 01:30 |
| instantfoo | i use a generic formtemplate.. and get all buttons via tal:replace="structure action/render" | 01:30 |
| instantfoo | goodnight :) | 01:30 |
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| pyqwer | Hi, I'm looking for some Python/Zope library that creates these OCR-Proof letter/number pictures that people have to read/type to verify that the client is "human". | 08:47 |
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| pyqwer | Is there something available or do I have to implement this myself? | 08:47 |
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| jayaraj | can any one tell me wheather a 'principal folder' plugin in PAU can create new user? i mean is there any sign-up functionality provided? (i am newbie!) | 11:12 |
| afd_ | jayaraj: you can manually add users there, but there's no signup functionality in default zope | 11:13 |
| jayaraj | yea i know that... but how about doing it using python script.... | 11:14 |
| jayaraj | ic no default | 11:14 |
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| jayaraj | then how can i create a user using python script | 11:14 |
| afd_ | jayaraj: there's nothing fancy, read the APIs of the principalfolder | 11:15 |
| afd_ | http://apidoc.zope.org/++apidoc++/ | 11:15 |
| jayaraj | afd_: thanks a lot ... i was going to ask you for any url... :) and you are already with one .... | 11:16 |
| jayaraj | afd_: ithink i have looked at this before... it feels a little messy so dint go forward.... any way i think it may be a good resource...let me see... | 11:18 |
| afd_ | jayaraj: you need to: | 11:19 |
| afd_ | get the principal folder from the pau | 11:19 |
| afd_ | create a new user object | 11:19 |
| afd_ | add it to the principal folder | 11:19 |
| afd_ | jayaraj: one thing to take care: in zope a principal is created on every request based on the authentication; the principal folder contains internal principals (which are not the same as principals) | 11:21 |
| jayaraj | ic | 11:21 |
| afd_ | basically, a principal will be created when a matching internal principal is found | 11:21 |
| jayaraj | so we should create an internal principal for a user account.... | 11:22 |
| afd_ | yes | 11:22 |
| jayaraj | ic then thats wot i want to do... | 11:23 |
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| afd_ | jayaraj: if you don't already have philipp's book, you can get the code from the worldcookery.com website, I think it touches this subject and is a great learning resource | 11:24 |
| jayaraj | yea i have philipp's book but 1st ed... and i shall look at examples too ... my 3rd edition will reach by monday! | 11:25 |
| afd_ | I wasn't aware of a third edition | 11:26 |
| jayaraj | it just released... available in amazone | 11:27 |
| afd_ | ok | 11:27 |
| jayaraj | let me learn how to do it ... thans alot ....ttyl | 11:28 |
| afd_ | http://www.worldcookery.com/Downloads | 11:28 |
| jayaraj | yea i have downloaded it | 11:28 |
| jayaraj | good thanks! | 11:28 |
| afd_ | np | 11:29 |
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| malthe | is it correct that formlib does not make use of the ``fromUnicode``-method of a field? | 12:08 |
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| malthe | I see, it's the zope.app.form-widgets that do not use the IFromUnicode-interface to convert to the field value type. | 12:14 |
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| ghendi | Hi all. Could anyone tell me about debug mode/dev mode in Zope3 and templates - how do I make on an deployed project to load the templates at startup only once? | 15:36 |
| ghendi | does it have anything to do with devmode? | 15:37 |
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| mgedmin | ghendi: templates are loaded on demand | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | and only reloaded if the file modification timestamp changes | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | devmode has nothing to do with it | 15:44 |
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| mgedmin | afaik devmode has no impact on speed | 15:44 |
| benji | I'm of the impression that templates are only checked for changes if devmode is on. | 15:45 |
| ghendi | mgedmin: thx; this means that all template files are checked at every request for timestamp changes? | 15:45 |
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| mgedmin | when in doubt, read the source code ;) | 15:46 |
| ghendi | benji: I thought so too; but if tested it's not so | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | benji: not devmode but __debug__ | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | which is python -O, iirc? | 15:47 |
| benji | mgedmin: yep | 15:47 |
| ghendi | mgedmin: __debug__ ? can you tell me more about it? | 15:47 |
| benji | weh should probably make it behave that way without devmode as well | 15:47 |
| ghendi | where is it set? | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | no, but docs.python.org can | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/constants.html#__debug__ | 15:48 |
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| mgedmin | or rather http://docs.python.org/dev/library/constants.html#__debug__ | 15:49 |
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| ghendi | mgedmin: how do I start zope with python having the debug mode off (-O option) ?:) | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | python -O z3.py ? | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | some option in zdaemon.conf? | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 15:56 |
| ghendi | ok, thx | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | #!/usr/bin/python -O at the top of bin/runzope? | 15:56 |
| philiKON | -O is python's optimization mode | 15:58 |
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| philiKON | i think python's (sic!) debug mode has to be enabled at compile time | 15:58 |
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| mgedmin | philiKON: python's global __debug__ constant *is* an indication that -O is on, check the library docs I linked | 16:00 |
| philiKON | ah really | 16:00 |
| philiKON | k then | 16:00 |
| ghendi | philiKON: what I need is to load templates only once at startup, so that zope doesn't have to check at every request the templates | 16:01 |
| philiKON | that's what zope.pagetemplates does | 16:01 |
| philiKON | well, it checks the file's modification time again | 16:02 |
| philiKON | but that's a fast operation, usually | 16:02 |
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| ghendi | at every request checking all templates involved... hmmm | 16:02 |
| philiKON | of course you could make this conditional with __debug__ | 16:03 |
| philiKON | and release a new version of zope.pagetemplate | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | zope.pagetemplate already has a conditional on __debug__ | 16:04 |
| philiKON | there you go :) | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | but it never reads the template on startup; it does it on demand | 16:04 |
| philiKON | ah | 16:04 |
| philiKON | well, i'm sure that can be arranged, though | 16:06 |
| zagy | hum | 16:07 |
| zagy | hi | 16:07 |
| zagy | :) | 16:07 |
| zagy | shouldn't the DataManager in zope.sendmail support savepoints? | 16:07 |
| philiKON | what should it do on savepoints? | 16:07 |
| zagy | nothing, at least not for an opportunistic one | 16:08 |
| zagy | but currently it breaks (i think) | 16:08 |
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| zagy | when you create a savepoint | 16:09 |
| philiKON | oh | 16:09 |
| philiKON | i see | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | how does it break? | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | attributeerror? | 16:09 |
| zagy | TypeError: | 16:09 |
| zagy | ('Savepoints unsupported', <zope.sendmail.delivery.MailDataManager | 16:09 |
| zagy | I haven't got a complete TB, yet | 16:10 |
| zagy | but it makes sense so far :) | 16:10 |
| zagy | hm no | 16:10 |
| zagy | somwhere in a non opportunistic savepoint is created as it seems | 16:11 |
| * zagy checks | 16:11 | |
| mgedmin | would be nice if someone who understands savepoints would fix zope.sendmail, hint hint ;) | 16:13 |
| zagy | no, everything is fine, I was wrong | 16:14 |
| zagy | it *must* break in zope.sendmail when you ask for a non-optimistic savepoint | 16:14 |
| zagy | ... at least I guess so | 16:14 |
| zagy | otherwise you had to implement the savepoint semantics for mail... *runs* | 16:14 |
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| ghendi | mgedmin: #!/usr/bin/python -O at the top of bin/runzope does the trick, thx! | 16:28 |
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| ghendi | mgedmin: how about the resources? how can I make them to load only at server startup? | 17:09 |
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| mgedmin | change the code, probably | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | I don't know | 17:27 |
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| mgedmin | speaking of things you might want to do on startup, you may want to load the most-often-accessed objects into the ZODB caches of every zope thread | 17:27 |
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| ghendi | ok | 17:33 |
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| edgordon | is there another index url that lets you easy_install packages from http://svn.zope.org/? | 17:35 |
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| tarek | philiKON, hi ! do you happen to know if this has changed since then ? http://osdir.com/ml/web.zope.z3base.five/2005-12/msg00007.html | 18:23 |
| philiKON | five supports overrides.zcml now | 18:24 |
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| tarek | philiKON, what is the best practice to override an already overriden directive ? is there something to read on the topic ? | 18:25 |
| philiKON | well, overridden things can be overridden again | 18:26 |
| jfroche | hello, somebody tried to setup twisted with twisted.web2 in a buildout ? | 18:27 |
| philiKON | it's all a matter of ordering | 18:27 |
| philiKON | jfroche: we include twisted in the zope.app.twisted egg :( | 18:27 |
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| tarek | philiKON, the ordering happens in site.zcml or there's a way in a package to define it ? | 18:30 |
| philiKON | site.zcml | 18:31 |
| malthe | J1m: -re- directory resources; did you see my response on the list? | 18:33 |
| malthe | tarek: what I'd like to do is be able to *append* to buildout parts directives. | 18:34 |
| malthe | Anton mentioned that you would certainly appreciate something like that | 18:34 |
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| tarek | philiKON, do you know if there's any trick available to change the ordering, let's say for the "B" package to superseed the directive overriden by the "A" package without touching the site.cml file ? | 18:35 |
| tarek | malthe, a yes that would be nice, we talked about a specific directive with J1m, to make parts platform-specific | 18:36 |
| malthe | interesting | 18:37 |
| malthe | what kind of platforms would that be? | 18:37 |
| malthe | you mean something non-POSIX | 18:37 |
| J1m | malthe, yes, I saw your email. Did you think that that constituted a proposal? :) | 18:37 |
| malthe | no it didn't; but I would like to get a +1 or -100 based on that reply. | 18:38 |
| tarek | malthe, whatever sys.platform coudl return | 18:38 |
| malthe | +0.1 maybe | 18:38 |
| malthe | I guess I'll just start coding and put it in a branch; it'll be obvious from the tests if it's a good approach or not | 18:39 |
| J1m | malthe, I'd really like someone to write proposal so we can make sure we write the right thing. :) | 18:40 |
| malthe | ah you mean a wiki proposal | 18:40 |
| J1m | I can think of a number of ways this could be done. | 18:40 |
| malthe | definitely | 18:40 |
| J1m | It doesn't have to be in a wiki, although that might be nice. | 18:40 |
| J1m | And it doesn't have to be super formal. | 18:40 |
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| J1m | brb | 18:40 |
| malthe | gotcha | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | tarek: for zcml overrides it's not the linear order that matters, it's the include hierarchy | 18:41 |
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| mgedmin | any zcml file can override any directive from any other file it includes, directly or indirectly | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | any zcml file included with includeOverrides can override any directive from any file included from the parent zcml file | 18:42 |
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| mgedmin | (in that respect includeOverrides is equivalent to directly copying and pasting the full text of the overrides.zcml directly) | 18:42 |
| tarek | mgedmin, so as long as A includes B, if B already overrides a directive, it will superseed, right ? | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:42 |
| tarek | mgedmin, oki thx | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea what happens when your include tree is a not a tree but a digraph | 18:43 |
| tarek | mm | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | probably something accidental and unexpected | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | IIRC any includes of a file that was already processed are simply ignored | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | I think it works | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | yes, this shouldn't affect overrides at all | 18:44 |
| tarek | my use case is quite simple -> beeing able in a project to override everything, no matter if it's already overriden somehow | 18:44 |
| tarek | so i guess i'll try different use cases | 18:45 |
| malthe | tarek: remember to include the ZCML that registers the directive in you want to override at the same level as your <includeOverrides>-directive. | 18:46 |
| tarek | malthe, oki thx | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | oh, and there are some directives that can never be overridden | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | subscribers, for example | 18:47 |
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| tarek | mgedmin, ok. that should be ok i guess, as long as the the css/resource etc story is covered | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | css/resources can also be dealt with skins rather than overrides | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | and I personally suggest avoiding overrides like an overused cliche | 18:48 |
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| J1m | malthe, sorry | 18:50 |
| J1m | so it would ne nice to have something that stand on it's own, not depending on email context. That sattes the problem and the solution in some specificity. | 18:50 |
| malthe | understand; I'll work on that over the weekend and put it somewhere, maybe the wiki. | 18:51 |
| malthe | can I create a new page there with my zope account? | 18:51 |
| tarek | mgedmin, yeah. I am trying to convince people to use resources instead of Zope2 skins so i was making sure about the override story | 18:52 |
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| tarek | malthe, is your proposal related to sections options ? | 18:53 |
| malthe | nope | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | tarek: I'm not familiar with Zope 2, but in Zope 3 resources depend on skin | 18:54 |
| malthe | it's related to defining filters for resources | 18:54 |
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| tarek | ok | 18:54 |
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| J1m | malthe, I think the wiki is wide open, for better or worse. :) | 18:55 |
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| malthe | k | 18:57 |
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| edgordon | how would i get a viewlet to show up in only a certain view, as opposed to for a whole interface? | 22:31 |
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| edgordon | nevermind | 22:35 |
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| pyqwer | edgordon: Hmmm, there should be some options - still interested? | 22:52 |
| edgordon | no, i realized the view zcml attribute did what i wanted | 22:52 |
| pyqwer | Ok, fine! | 22:53 |
| edgordon | haha. thanks anyways | 22:53 |
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