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| dbfrombrc | hey guys | 03:33 |
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| dbfrombrc | does anyone here have any experience with installing PIL via a buildout? | 03:33 |
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| dunny | dbfrombrc: there are a couple of eggs floating about for exactly that | 04:08 |
| dunny | PILwoTk | 04:08 |
| dbfrombrc | good to know, thanks | 04:09 |
| dbfrombrc | apparently repoze has one as well... | 04:10 |
| dunny | yup | 04:10 |
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| tlotze_ | moin | 11:32 |
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| tlotze_ | I wonder why zope.publisher.base.BaseRequest used its own annotation mechanism, and whether that is good or bad. | 11:34 |
| tlotze_ | It uses a slot named annotations, but it seems to me that it would be better if it could be adapted to IAnnotations instead. | 11:35 |
| tlotze_ | Any opinions? | 11:35 |
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| philiKON | tlotze_: and make zope.publisher depend on zope.annotation (which depends on a whole lot of other stuff)? | 11:47 |
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| tlotze_ | Why depend? I thought the annotations mechanism was designed in such a way that it could be applied "from the outside"? zope.publisher itself doesn't make use of annotations AFAICS. | 11:49 |
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| Pan_ | im using IAuthenticatorPlugin with my own authentication (based on login and password). i imlpemented views to change password. when i change password for user he is losting his privileges. | 12:49 |
| Pan_ | its that normal or im doing something wrong ;) ? | 12:50 |
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| tlotze_ | philiKON: any further thoughts on the annotations? | 14:24 |
| philiKON | tlotze_: but the request would have to declare IAnnotatable or something, right? | 14:25 |
| philiKON | either way, i have no idea where the annotations mechanism is used for requests | 14:26 |
| tlotze_ | k | 14:26 |
| tlotze_ | I'd have to look up the details of annotation adaptation to answer that. | 14:26 |
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| philiKON | there isn't just one, but there's a popular one for attribute annotations | 14:27 |
| tlotze_ | I found the current slot thing unhelpful when trying to annotate the request in an application of ours. | 14:27 |
| tlotze_ | yes, IAttributeAnnotatable would mean a dependency on the annotations package | 14:28 |
| tlotze_ | but that's OK since declaring that interface means you're not ignorant about annotations in the first place | 14:28 |
| tlotze_ | I just thought that you could annotate anything, just maybe not using attributes but a mechanism the annotation package decides to use | 14:29 |
| philiKON | well, a mechanism that the adapter decides to use | 14:29 |
| tlotze_ | without declaring any annotation-related interfce, I mean | 14:29 |
| philiKON | sure | 14:30 |
| tlotze_ | anyway, not my object which doesn't want to know about annotations, such as the request | 14:30 |
| philiKON | IAnnotations is just an optimization, really | 14:30 |
| tlotze_ | So it looks as if the annotation mechanism used by BaseRequest currently is not following the right pattern at least. I'd file a bug for that, just where would I do that? | 14:31 |
| tlotze_ | Launchpad tells me zope.publisher wasn't bug-tracked by it. | 14:31 |
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| philiKON | there's a zope3 tracker | 14:33 |
| tlotze_ | ah, the general one | 14:33 |
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| whit | answer to my question yesterday, Buildout._logger.info(msg) | 17:45 |
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| malthe | whit: nice | 17:52 |
| malthe | J1m: did you see the suggestion to extend buildout's option value syntax to include support for -= and += operators? | 17:53 |
| malthe | It's implemented in a branch, in svn. | 17:53 |
| * whit also discovers you can register uninstaller eggs | 17:53 | |
| J1m | malthe, yes | 17:53 |
| malthe | *don't* say you don't like it! | 17:54 |
| J1m | :) | 17:54 |
| J1m | I havn't looked at it in detail. | 17:54 |
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| J1m | what happens if you have an option like: | 17:54 |
| J1m | foo+=bar | 17:54 |
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| malthe | bar gets added to the value (as '\nbar', I think). | 17:55 |
| J1m | I think not | 17:55 |
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| malthe | what do you think happens then? | 17:57 |
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| J1m | ah, actually, you fixed the problem since I looked at it. | 18:00 |
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| malthe | ok | 18:00 |
| J1m | I think this looks good then. Overall. | 18:00 |
| J1m | Thanks for doing this. | 18:00 |
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| malthe | Sure; it was actually Mustapha Benali who did the ground work | 18:00 |
| J1m | I'm a little worried that someone will change config parser in a way that breaks this, as this certainly seems to stress the format. | 18:01 |
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| J1m | I thought that to implement this, you'd have to implement a new parser. | 18:01 |
| malthe | Yes, ditto here | 18:01 |
| malthe | The format is very lax | 18:01 |
| J1m | If it breaks later, we can always implement a new parser then. | 18:01 |
| malthe | Right---I think it's a strong enough feature to argue for it. | 18:02 |
| J1m | and not well defined, which is the more basic problem. | 18:02 |
| J1m | (the format, that is) | 18:02 |
| malthe | definitely; it's surprisingly flexible. | 18:02 |
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| malthe | Thumbs up for merging it into truk, then? | 18:03 |
| J1m | Yup. | 18:03 |
| J1m | well, wait :) | 18:03 |
| malthe | Okay | 18:05 |
| malthe | I'm not in a hurry to merge it if there are concerns. | 18:05 |
| J1m | I've been thinking of something like this for a long time. | 18:05 |
| J1m | You've taken an approach that is simpler than what I was thinking of, but less powerful. | 18:06 |
| J1m | In particular, your increments are not cumulative. | 18:06 |
| J1m | suppose c extends b and b extends a. | 18:07 |
| J1m | also suppose that c has "foo += x" and b has "foo += y". | 18:07 |
| J1m | b will lose. | 18:07 |
| malthe | Oh no | 18:07 |
| J1m | I think this will be surpising. | 18:07 |
| malthe | It will, yes | 18:08 |
| J1m | (unless I'm reading this wrong, which I may be) | 18:08 |
| * J1m looks again. | 18:08 | |
| malthe | I'll extend the test real quick | 18:08 |
| J1m | Hm, no, I suspect your change does the right thing. | 18:10 |
| J1m | Nice! :) | 18:10 |
| J1m | Very nice. | 18:10 |
| J1m | You should add a test to verify this though. | 18:10 |
| malthe | Yes. | 18:10 |
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| malthe | J1m: as far as I'm able to test, it does work, both appending and removing. | 18:15 |
| J1m | awesome. Merge! :) | 18:16 |
| tarek | malthe, so what's the final syntax ? | 18:23 |
| malthe | tarek: option [-+]= | 18:23 |
| tarek | cool :) | 18:23 |
| malthe | Merged. | 18:28 |
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| hazmat | has anyone run into issues with the coverage script, not reporting correctly? | 20:47 |
| benji | hazmat: yep; IIRC it has to do with running layers in a subprocess; if you just run one layer you should get reasonable output | 20:49 |
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| hazmat | J1m, could you have a look at this http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-June/032014.html | 21:08 |
| hazmat | it looks left overs from the component registry simplification | 21:08 |
| hazmat | er.. looks like | 21:08 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | do weakrefs prevent garbage collection? | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | I'm trying to find out why tests "leak" memory | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | len(gc.get_objects()) grows when I run the same test in a loop | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | assuming that most of the objects are "leaked", random.choice(gc.get_objects()) ought to give me one of those | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | now I'm trying to follow the references back with gc.get_referrers(obj) | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | I seem to end up in the zope adapter registry innards | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | a closure (_remove) keeps a reference to a surrogates dict which keeps a reference to a weakref obj which keeps a reference to the closure | 21:30 |
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| whit | anyone else slightly interested in having the ability to comment lines in recipe value lists | 21:44 |
| whit | ? | 21:44 |
| * whit has stubbed his toe on this a couple times today | 21:45 | |
| fairwinds | whit: what do you mean. I generally write my comments above the part at present | 21:48 |
| whit | I find myself very often wanting to say... toggle parts on and off | 21:48 |
| whit | or briefly comment out an egg in say the list of tests | 21:48 |
| whit | etc etc | 21:48 |
| J1m | whit, I'd be happy to have that. | 21:49 |
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| J1m | But except for commenting the whole line, that looks hard to do. | 21:49 |
| whit | J1m: would this be related to the list parsing for values you and malthe were chatting about? | 21:49 |
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| fairwinds | ok. I think this useful | 21:49 |
| J1m | no | 21:49 |
| J1m | The problem is that config parser ignores #s in option lines so exitng files probably have them. | 21:50 |
| J1m | This goes for pretty much any other character. | 21:50 |
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| whit | J1m: right... for other stuff with configparser, I've just had to hand filter it | 21:50 |
| J1m | actually. commenting out options works now I think. | 21:50 |
| whit | right, just not options in lists | 21:51 |
| J1m | hm, what are options in lists? | 21:51 |
| J1m | You mean multiple line options? | 21:51 |
| whit | ur... suboptions you might say... really just values within an option | 21:52 |
| whit | J1m: yes | 21:52 |
| J1m | so you mean there's no way to comment out part of an option. | 21:52 |
| whit | yes | 21:52 |
| J1m | Yeah, that would be very hard to add in a backward compatible way. | 21:52 |
| J1m | I'm open to suggestions. | 21:53 |
| J1m | kapil: | 21:53 |
| * whit will mull it | 21:54 | |
| J1m | 1. I don't know why this didn't work for you. It normally does. | 21:54 |
| J1m | 2. querynextUtility has to pass context to avoid an infinite recursion. | 21:54 |
| hazmat | J1m, 1. yeah i thought that was strange. 2. i removed passing context and it works fine. | 22:03 |
| hazmat | J1m, passing the utility as context means there is some IComponentLookup defined for IAuth ? | 22:04 |
| hazmat | aha.. i see the Icomponentlookup definition now | 22:06 |
| hazmat | although its for zope.app.authentication.vocabulary not for the utility itself | 22:06 |
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| mgedmin | does persistent.PickleCache support garbage collection? | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | of course it does, what a silly question | 23:43 |
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