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| malthe | security checkers are not passed down to subclasses, right? | 02:06 |
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| aelkner | can anyone help me with a question i have about traversal | 02:25 |
| aelkner | i have a authentication plug-in that needs to redirect to a CAS server | 02:26 |
| aelkner | but after it calls the response.redirect() method it doesn't end the traversal loop | 02:26 |
| aelkner | this causes the plug-in to get called continually | 02:27 |
| aelkner | is there a way to get it to stop traversing? | 02:27 |
| aelkner | srichter: ayt? | 02:27 |
| aelkner | rcrafton: ayt? | 02:28 |
| aelkner | is there anybody out there? | 02:34 |
| rcrafton | aelkner: Sorry. Not really here. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the one to help out with that problem anyway. | 02:46 |
| aelkner | rcrafton: no prob. i think i night be able to get it to stop travesing by throwing a retry exception | 02:49 |
| aelkner | i hope that works, at least | 02:49 |
| rcrafton | :) | 02:49 |
| rcrafton | I just haven't had that problem yet. Though I suspect I'll be doing some CAS integration as we convert some of our older apps to zope. So I should pay attention. | 02:50 |
| aelkner | rcrafton: if you have questions about CAS at that point, you can email me at aelkner@gmail.com | 02:52 |
| aelkner | by then, i should have this stuff figured out | 02:52 |
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| amleczko | hi, i need help. i'm searching for how-to to run zc.z3monitor | 15:14 |
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| benji | amleczko: IIRC, you just have to <include package="zc.z3monitor"/> | 15:17 |
| amleczko | benji: ok. but how can i use it then? | 15:18 |
| benji | oh, and you probably need this in your zope.conf:<product-config zc.z3monitor> port 8099 | 15:18 |
| benji | </product-config> | 15:18 |
| benji | you telnet to the monitor port and issue a command; "help" would be a good start ;) | 15:18 |
| amleczko | ok seems clear :) | 15:19 |
| amleczko | benji: thx | 15:19 |
| benji | np | 15:19 |
| benji | it'd be nice to have that in the README.txt; I'll try to remember to do so | 15:20 |
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| amleczko | hi i have another question: is it safe to open new zodb connection inside twisted.internet.task.LoopingCall ? | 15:44 |
| junkafarian | hmm, I am getting a ContentProviderLookupError from a ZPT object referencing a viewlet included in the macro it uses | 15:47 |
| junkafarian | do i have to declare it separately than in the zcml? | 15:48 |
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| amleczko | how can I access zodb from twisted LoopingCall ? | 15:53 |
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| junkafarian | is there a way i can specify the layer, similar to zcml for a ZPT object in the ZMI? | 16:06 |
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| mgedmin | no | 16:11 |
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| hazmat | benji, another reason for coverage failure is py 2.5 | 16:30 |
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| hazmat | at least with doctests | 16:30 |
| * mgedmin wants to know | 16:34 | |
| benji | hazmat: i.e. coverage doesn't work with 2.5? | 16:35 |
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| regebro | Can somebody point me to a basic Zope3 buildout? | 17:47 |
| regebro | No PasteScript or anything. We just want the most simple buildout.cfg for Zope3, to include as a development buildout for an egg | 17:47 |
| regebro | pater -tzope_app creates one that uses Paster and Twisted. | 17:48 |
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| mgedmin | I think philikon's zopeproject creates these | 17:51 |
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| ignas | regebro: emm, what is Zope3 in this case? | 17:53 |
| regebro | mgedmin: Nah, he still uses twisted and paster. | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | ah, I missed the 'no pastescript' bit | 17:55 |
| regebro | Maybe that doesn't matter, but the amount of config files created is silly, IMO. :) | 17:55 |
| ignas | what is Zope3 in this case? you want to avoid paste for hooking everything up? | 17:56 |
| regebro | ignas: Well, you know, Zope 3. | 17:56 |
| regebro | A well know application server. | 17:56 |
| ignas | there is Zope3 libraries bit | 17:56 |
| ignas | and there is wsgi server bit | 17:56 |
| ignas | and there is wsgi application bit | 17:56 |
| regebro | No, those you install with easy_install, not buildout. :) | 17:56 |
| regebro | (The libraries, I mean) | 17:56 |
| ignas | and you use paste to connect wsgi server that comes with zope.server to wsgi application that comes with zope.app or something like that | 17:57 |
| ignas | i don't think there is a script that connects these without wsgi | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | I think regebro wants a plain old zope.app.zserver | 17:57 |
| regebro | Yeah. It existed not long ago, it didn't die did it? | 17:57 |
| ignas | and i think philikon has killed the "zope instance" ;) | 17:58 |
| ignas | at least that was his plan | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | suggest looking at z3.py on trunk, assuming trunk hasn't died | 17:58 |
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| regebro | mgedmin: is z3.py a buildout.cfg? That would surprise me. :) | 17:58 |
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| ignas | regebro: such buildout.cfg does not exist from what i can recall | 17:59 |
| regebro | Is it impossible to ue Zope3 with buildout without PasteScript? Wow. | 17:59 |
| ignas | regebro: most people who is using buildout.cfg are using recipes that set up wsgi components from what i can recall | 17:59 |
| ignas | though maybe there is a zdaemon based recipe, i would not bet on it | 18:00 |
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| ignas | regebro: look at http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zodbrecipes/0.2 maybe that is related ... | 18:03 |
| ignas | not sure about it, but it seems that you can setup a zdaemon server | 18:03 |
| ignas | somehow | 18:03 |
| ignas | maybe you can gather out some useful bits that will help you write a recipe that works the way you want ... | 18:04 |
| regebro | I'm now trying to use something baed on grokprojects buildout. | 18:04 |
| ignas | but still - i don't think there are that many reasons to keep on using the mostly deprecated Zope3 startup methods... | 18:07 |
| ignas | from what I can recall there were even talks about Zope getting out of the http server writing business ... and just using wsgi servers already available | 18:08 |
| ignas | so even if zope.server is still there it might be gone in a year, two, three ... | 18:08 |
| ignas | though i can be mistaken, i mean - i am not the person who decides these things | 18:08 |
| ignas | from what I understand the only difference between paste approach and Zope3 approach is that instead of having both "server configuration" and "database configuration" in one file, you get them in 2 files ... | 18:11 |
| ignas | at least that's what changed when schooltool began using paste for deployment | 18:11 |
| junkafarian | hmm | 18:13 |
| regebro | ignas: It's not a question of "deprecated", it's js | 18:13 |
| junkafarian | im trying a different approach to my menu problem... | 18:13 |
| regebro | just that I want to be able to start an instance, without having loads of config files in the root | 18:13 |
| junkafarian | any ideas why context/@@view_get_menu/main_nav wont return anything? | 18:13 |
| regebro | and without having to install twisted. | 18:13 |
| junkafarian | i have registered a menu and populated some menuItems | 18:13 |
| regebro | Nope, the grokproject one ALSO want to install twisted. But for some reason, the buildout doesn't install it. | 18:14 |
| regebro | This current situation honestly sucks. | 18:14 |
| regebro | It should not take me hours to get started with Zope3. | 18:14 |
| junkafarian | but when i try and call view_get_menu/main_nav it wont reference the items i specified for the main_nav menu :( | 18:15 |
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| sidnei | hey all, what kind of ssh keys is zope.org using these days? | 18:16 |
| sidnei | it used to be ssh1 keys | 18:16 |
| ignas | regebro: oh, that | 18:16 |
| ignas | regebro: just fix it in a different way - depend on "zope.server" | 18:16 |
| regebro | Huh? | 18:16 |
| ignas | and in paste.ini do: | 18:16 |
| ignas | use = egg:zope.server | 18:17 |
| ignas | in your [server:main] | 18:17 |
| regebro | Oh, OK. | 18:17 |
| ignas | section | 18:17 |
| regebro | Well, that's a step forward at least. | 18:17 |
| ignas | and fix buildout.cfg | 18:17 |
| regebro | I think a small explanation is in order: | 18:17 |
| ignas | to ask for zope.server 3.5 | 18:17 |
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| regebro | The currently recommended practice for Zope eggs is to have a buildout.cfg, so you can check out the egg, run the buildout and test/develop. | 18:18 |
| regebro | With paste, you need a buildout.cfg. | 18:18 |
| ignas | emm - kind of, i mean - you know how paste works? | 18:19 |
| ignas | and how buildout works | 18:19 |
| regebro | And a site.zcml.and a paste.ini. And a debug.ini and a deploy.ini. | 18:19 |
| ignas | well - debug.ini and deploy.ini | 18:19 |
| regebro | I know how buildout works, yes. | 18:19 |
| ignas | are arbitrary | 18:19 |
| ignas | you don't have to have them | 18:19 |
| ignas | if you don't use the zope3 startup machinery provided | 18:19 |
| ignas | i mean - i am just doing "bin/paster serve foo.ini" | 18:20 |
| ignas | and am living wiht 1 single ini file | 18:20 |
| ignas | the multiple ini files are for the scripts generated by one of the recipes to work i think | 18:20 |
| ignas | can't recall precisely now | 18:20 |
| ignas | because schooltool system is "homebrew" ;) | 18:20 |
| ignas | and we really are not using twisted in any place | 18:21 |
| regebro | Well, Grok is going to save Zope3 anyway, so luckily, we don't have to care about all this in most cases. :) | 18:21 |
| regebro | Grok will be the easy entry into Zope3, and Zope3 can stay complicated. | 18:21 |
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| ignas | regebro: you can't have "easy" and "control" at the same time, and it seems that you want "control" ;) | 18:23 |
| regebro | No, I want "simple", and I don't understand why "easy" and "simple" isn't the same thing, | 18:26 |
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| ignas | you can have the illusion of having it simple and having control, but then the law of leaky abstractions hits you, and you get major pain | 18:26 |
| ignas | simple in this case is - don't touch ini files ;) | 18:27 |
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| regebro | No, that's easy. Simple is "not complicated". Meaning: Less ini files. | 18:27 |
| ignas | why are they bothering you? | 18:28 |
| ignas | you don't have to touch them ... | 18:28 |
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| ignas | anyway - it's an intermediate step | 18:28 |
| regebro | I explained above. | 18:29 |
| ignas | Step 1 - you write them yourself | 18:29 |
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| ignas | Step 2 - they get generated | 18:29 |
| ignas | Step 3 - they get generated runtime without you seeing them | 18:29 |
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| ignas | so - it's better now than it was before, it's apparently not good enough ;) | 18:29 |
| ignas | the Step 4 - they get generated runtime, but if you want to you can write them yourself... | 18:31 |
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| junkafarian | is there a summary of the standard globals available through context in ZPTs? | 18:35 |
| junkafarian | eg: view_get_menu | 18:35 |
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| ignas | junkafarian: what is view_get_menu ? | 18:37 |
| ignas | a global function in some module? | 18:37 |
| ignas | if it is - no there is no such thing, and you should add a wrapper call in the view and use that | 18:38 |
| junkafarian | i am following the example in philikon's book to generate a custom menu | 18:38 |
| hazmat | benji, apparently not. | 18:38 |
| hazmat | benji, it was reporting erroneous coverage results on unit tests | 18:39 |
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| junkafarian | basically... I am trying to modify mu current menu viewlet so that i can include it in a ZPT object created through the ZMI | 18:39 |
| hazmat | benji, i switched back to py 2.4 and it started working again | 18:39 |
| hazmat | all doc tests though. | 18:39 |
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| junkafarian | ignas: which it seems i cant if i just reference the menu with <tal:providers replace="structure provider:menu" /> | 18:41 |
| junkafarian | in my standard_macros | 18:41 |
| ignas | junkafarian: sorry, i don't really know what's going on in philikon' | 18:41 |
| ignas | s book | 18:41 |
| ignas | so i can't really help you with that | 18:42 |
| junkafarian | ^^ that was just my implementation before it wouldnt work with the ttw ZPT | 18:42 |
| junkafarian | ignas: if i use the macro which works fine for pages declared in zcml with the ZPT object, i get: | 18:43 |
| junkafarian | ContentProviderLookupError: menu | 18:44 |
| ignas | junkafarian: sorry, but i just don't know the state you are coming from, and the thing you want to get to, so it's really not enough information for me to solve it | 18:46 |
| junkafarian | at the moment i just have a viewlet which renders a main menu and is assigned to a viewletManager called `menu` | 18:48 |
| junkafarian | and that works fine when any pages use metal to access the master template (which has that tal:providers line in it) | 18:49 |
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| ignas | i see | 18:50 |
| ignas | and ... | 18:50 |
| junkafarian | however, i tried to use a ZPT object to allow for TTW editing of the content | 18:50 |
| junkafarian | as i need to provide a basic CMS | 18:50 |
| junkafarian | and that doesnt like the macro i have defined | 18:50 |
| junkafarian | and errors when trying to find the menu viewlet manager | 18:51 |
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| ignas | oh, hmm, i am not sure how TTW handles sites and adapter registries | 18:52 |
| junkafarian | previously, i had to update all references using `views/standard_macros/..` to `context/@@standard_macros/...` | 18:52 |
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| junkafarian | I dont suppose anyone has worked on an object which allows a file on the local system to be edited TTW? | 18:53 |
| hazmat | reflecto | 18:54 |
| junkafarian | as that would presumably allow me to expose the .pt files to be updated | 18:54 |
| hazmat | oh.. sorry wrong channel.. for that.. but its a plone extension (z3 style) to browse/ edit / index content on the filesystem | 18:54 |
| junkafarian | any zope3 ports? | 18:55 |
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| hazmat | not that i know of | 18:55 |
| hazmat | if you just want to expose your code for development.. you can set it up as a separate webdav mount | 18:55 |
| junkafarian | its basically to allow for a simple admin CMS | 18:56 |
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| junkafarian | any experience with the ZPT objects through the ZMI? | 18:56 |
| junkafarian | hazmat: ^ | 18:56 |
| * mgedmin thinks ZPT objects in the ZMI are examples, almost completely useless in practice | 18:58 | |
| junkafarian | doh! :P | 18:58 |
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| junkafarian | dont spose there are any useful projects providing similar functionality? | 18:58 |
| junkafarian | previously i have used adapters to store editable content | 18:59 |
| junkafarian | i remember someone mentioning a HTMLPage type object | 19:01 |
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| junkafarian | but I assumed they were talking about the ZPT objects otherwise you would be unable to inherit the macros | 19:02 |
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