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| mgedmin | fwiw zdaemon nastyness | 00:14 |
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| mgedmin | run the testsuite several times | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | it will leave several python processes running | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | (with two children: another python and tail) | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | I was playing with zdaemon failures last night, and then had to figure out why I'm running out of ram | 00:15 |
| mgedmin | those pythons were small; nowhere near the top in the process list sorted by mem usage, but there were hundreds of them | 00:15 |
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| mgedmin | ccomb: ayt? | 05:13 |
| mgedmin | you bumped a lot of kgs package versions 5 hours ago | 05:14 |
| mgedmin | and now the buildbot is so unhappy it cannot even finish testing | 05:14 |
| mgedmin | I was wondering if you tried to run all the tests on your machine | 05:15 |
| mgedmin | zope.app.form and zope.app.testing are suspect | 05:15 |
| mgedmin | I can reproduce here | 05:19 |
| mgedmin | bin/test -m zope.app.forms fails | 05:19 |
| mgedmin | bin/test -m zope.app.generations fails | 05:19 |
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| mgedmin | I'm reverting zope.app.form and zope.app.testing upgrades | 05:23 |
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| markusleist | hi, is there a small and easy "out-of-the-box" gui for the usermanagement-utility in a raw-zope3-application? | 11:04 |
| markusleist | Not the proper ldap-way, only a small gui for PluggableAuthentication/principalfolder (ideally with z3c.form)? | 11:04 |
| __mac___ | markusleist: what about z3c.authenticator? | 11:08 |
| __mac___ | maybe it is too complex | 11:09 |
| markusleist | uff | 11:11 |
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| andres | Is there a recipe for using virtualenv automatically inside a buildout? | 16:35 |
| benji | andres: not that I know of; what are you trying to accomplish? | 16:36 |
| andres | benji: It would have been nice if a buildout could separate itself from system python automatically. | 16:37 |
| andres | Ie not use systemwide installed eggs | 16:40 |
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| benji | hmm, interesting; I just keep a clean, non-system Python around to use for buildouts | 16:44 |
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| andres | yes, thats the alternative - but I have to use this on different machines, so it would have been the simpler alternative. | 16:45 |
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| benji | having not used virtualenv much, I wonder if you can just use it to bootstrap a buildout and get the effect you're after | 16:46 |
| andres | Yes, i think it should be possible. | 16:47 |
| tarek | andres that what we do here | 16:47 |
| timte | andres: you do it the other way around, use buildout inside a virtualenv | 16:47 |
| tarek | cd buildout && virtualenv --no-site-packages . && bin/python boostrap.py | 16:48 |
| andres | ok, thanks. | 16:49 |
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| andres | My bootstrap.py does it for me now... | 17:29 |
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| mgedmin | ccomb: ayt? | 20:40 |
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| ccomb | mgedmin | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | have you seen my messages here last night? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | about KGS test failures? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | I reverted two of the packages (zope.app.form and zope.app.testing) | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | to older versions | 20:41 |
| ccomb | yes, sorry, I wanted to use the KGS to test | 20:41 |
| ccomb | athe buildbot | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | ahh | 20:41 |
| ccomb | and revert what was KO | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | KO? | 20:41 |
| ccomb | but you did the job :) | 20:41 |
| ccomb | 2 packages are not ok | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | heh I was also using the buildbot to test whether my zdaemon changes fixed the sporadic failures | 20:42 |
| ccomb | oops :) | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | btw zope.app.form fails for me if I run the tests in isolation | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | something about date formats | 20:42 |
| ccomb | it's much simpler to let the buildbot test instead of us | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | I tried trunk, and the last two tags in the 3.4 branch | 20:42 |
| ccomb | ok | 20:43 |
| ccomb | It would be nice to have a buildbot that automatically test new versions, to quickly know what can be added in the controlled_packages | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | well, in theory you're supposed to run the tests on your machine | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | bin/generate-buildout; cd test; ../bin/buildout; bin/test | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | before you check in | 20:46 |
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| mgedmin | in practice I don't mind if you use buildout for testing | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | assuming you watch the results and fix any errors | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | rather than change-and-forget | 20:47 |
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| mgedmin | last night I didn't give you a chance :-) | 20:47 |
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| ccomb | I just wanted to let the buildbot test for me... :) | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | any chance for getting ZEO tests to always pass? | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | then I could enable email notifications | 20:47 |
| ccomb | could it be because the tests are running at the same time? | 20:48 |
| ccomb | Don't you want to try starting each test suite with a 2h delay ? | 20:49 |
| ccomb | some take 107min, others 20min | 20:50 |
| ccomb | why is this so different? | 20:50 |
| ccomb | it seems one of the test stalls for a long time, waiting for the other to finish | 20:51 |
| srichter | well, some tests use lock files | 20:57 |
| srichter | that could be a reason | 20:58 |
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| mgedmin | ccomb: there are two build machines | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | one is a fast dual-core box with ubuntu 64 | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | tests take ~30 minutes on that one | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | one is a slow single-cpu box with ubuntu 32-bit | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | tests take ~120 minutes on that one | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | and yes, running two copies of the test suite in parallel causes problems | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | which, imho, is a bug in the test suite | 21:11 |
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| nyo | Anyone knows the status of z3c.blobfile package? Is it still maintained? And who is maintaining it? :) | 21:15 |
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| rcrafton | I'm wondering if anyone knows how to make the publisher retry a request other than raising Retry? We have a situation where we want to force a retry on the request, but zope.rdb is eating the Retry and transforming it to a DatabaseException with a blanket except clause. | 21:39 |
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| benji | rcrafton: not off the top of my head, and looking at zope/publisher/publish.py doesn't give me any ideas | 21:45 |
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| mcdonc | rcrafton: maybe raise ConflictError ? | 21:47 |
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| rcrafton | Unfortunately all exceptions are being consumed. | 21:50 |
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| nyo1 | srichter: are you here? | 22:19 |
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| nyo1 | or anyone, is there any special review policy for contributing to zope.* packages? i'm kind of new contributor, so I don't know everything yet. :) I prepared a patch for zope.app.file (https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/265149) and now I wonder if it's okay if I just commit it myself. | 22:22 |
| fcorrea | nyo1: you need to sign the contributor agreement | 22:26 |
| J1m | nyo1, see http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Subversion/ImpatientPeoplesGuideToRequestingCommitPrivileges | 22:27 |
| nyo1 | fcorrea: yep, i'm already a contributor | 22:27 |
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| J1m | we *should* have a review process but we don't. :( | 22:28 |
| J1m | Make sure your fix includes a test. | 22:28 |
| nyo1 | already did | 22:28 |
| J1m | cool | 22:29 |
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| nyo1 | should I just commit it now? | 22:29 |
| J1m | sure :) | 22:29 |
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| srichter | J1m: nyo1 did several bug fixes in z3c.form already with thorough tests | 22:30 |
| J1m | cool | 22:30 |
| nyo1 | okay, done | 22:31 |
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| nyo1 | Then, there's another question. I think there won't be much changes in zope.app.file in near future, and that fix is kinda important for end-users. So I wonder when there will be next release of the package? Can I make a release on PYPI or should I ask someone to do it? | 22:35 |
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| J1m | You can make it. What is your pypi login? | 22:39 |
| ccomb | I suppose it's worth merging to the 3.4 branch of zope.app.file | 22:39 |
| ccomb | since this is the branch used for zope 3.4 | 22:39 |
| nyo1 | ccomb: yep, i'm going to upload it to 3.4 branch as well | 22:39 |
| nyo1 | J1m: nadako | 22:40 |
| J1m | You are now an owner, so you can upload. | 22:41 |
| J1m | Wow, that has a lot of owners. | 22:41 |
| nyo1 | okay, I'll double check things and make a release then | 22:42 |
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| baijum | nyo1: Does it really require a 3.5.0 feature release ? or just 3.4.4 (bugfix release)? | 22:42 |
| nyo1 | 3.4.4 i think | 22:42 |
| baijum | ok | 22:43 |
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| nyo1 | oh, fnally done | 23:06 |
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| nyo1 | J1m: should I also add the fixed version to zope.release's controlled-packages.cfg? | 23:25 |
| J1m | You should ask someone more familiar with the release mechanism, such as srichter. | 23:27 |
| nyo1 | heh, okay. | 23:28 |
| nyo1 | srichter: ? | 23:28 |
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| ccomb | nyo1: to add a version in controlled_packages you should first run the full KGS test suite (exactly what I did not do yesterday, shame on me :D ) | 23:31 |
| nyo1 | ouch. then i'm going to do it | 23:34 |
| ccomb | as explained in the readme.txt of zope.release | 23:34 |
| ccomb | it's painful | 23:34 |
| ccomb | I think it's ok to just test with one version of python (2.4 or 2.5) and one architecture, and let the buildbot check for other configurations | 23:35 |
| nyo1 | okay, thanks | 23:36 |
| * J1m feels bad for nyo1, who just wanted to fix a bug. | 23:36 | |
| ccomb | and you have to separately install PIL, enscript and a few other stuffs, and run the test in a virtualenv | 23:38 |
| nyo1 | J1m: it's ok ) | 23:38 |
| nyo1 | ccomb: thanks for tip | 23:38 |
| ccomb | All this should definitely not be done by humans... | 23:38 |
| nyo1 | )))) | 23:39 |
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