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| Vq^ | what is the story with installing Zope3 products via eggs? i've tried to install both kss and z3ext and they have both blown up in my face (kss requring a package which i think is in zope2 and z3ext due to configuration errors) | 14:39 |
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| Vq^ | am i supposed to add information in the buildout that i want zope3 compatible eggs or is it something else im missing? | 14:40 |
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| Theuni | Vq^: zope 2 brings the same packages but not declared as eggs | 14:49 |
| Theuni | mixing zope 3 packages as eggs and a zope 2 installation on the same pythonpath requires some care | 14:49 |
| Theuni | there's something called 'fakeeggs' what the plone people use to mix those things | 14:49 |
| Vq^ | im not interested in zope2 or mixing anything | 14:50 |
| Theuni | then in general there's nothing special about the zope 3 eggs | 14:51 |
| Vq^ | ok, the story is fairly short, i've installed zope3 via eggs and used zopeproject to set up the zope3 instance | 14:52 |
| Vq^ | then i've added dependencies to setup.py to get kss and z3ext installed via buildout | 14:52 |
| Vq^ | so far so good, eggs gets installed (thought i don't know if they are of the right version) | 14:53 |
| Vq^ | but when i try to include the packages via configure.zcml things break | 14:54 |
| Theuni | can you paste a traceback? | 14:54 |
| Vq^ | http://arda.no-ip.org/dump/z3trace.txt | 14:57 |
| Theuni | that looks like the kss package is made for zope 2 | 14:58 |
| Theuni | Which reminds me that I'm not sure whether kss is intended to be used standalone for Zope 3 | 14:58 |
| Theuni | As it's (a bit of) a Plone thing. | 14:58 |
| Vq^ | kss.core should be for Zope3 judging by their wubpage | 15:00 |
| Vq^ | "KSS for Zope (kss.core)" | 15:00 |
| Theuni | hmm | 15:00 |
| Vq^ | "KSS for Plone (plone.app.kss)" | 15:00 |
| Theuni | That's probably Zope 2 | 15:00 |
| Theuni | they should be more explicit with that | 15:00 |
| Vq^ | http://kssproject.org/ | 15:01 |
| Vq^ | "We support the following versions:" | 15:01 |
| Vq^ | and then they mention Zope2.10 and Zope3.3 | 15:01 |
| Theuni | interesting | 15:01 |
| Theuni | the traceback indicates it might be that the demo code is Zope 2 only | 15:01 |
| Theuni | you might wanna try not loading the demo configure.zcml | 15:01 |
| Theuni | (i'm not sure how they load it) | 15:01 |
| Vq^ | i could try that | 15:02 |
| Vq^ | i tried fixing just the imediate errors but that didn't make the server start :/ | 15:02 |
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| Vq^ | ripping the demos out in an ugly way actually make zope start | 15:07 |
| Theuni | you had to edit kss' configure.zcml? | 15:08 |
| Vq^ | i think the 'installed kss.demo' condition got confused | 15:08 |
| Vq^ | yeah | 15:08 |
| Theuni | ah | 15:08 |
| Theuni | that's probably a bug in that package then | 15:08 |
| Theuni | they might be happy if they get told | 15:09 |
| Vq^ | they might, i think i should try it with a clean install again first thought | 15:10 |
| Vq^ | now i installed the demos and removed them again, could be that causing the problem | 15:10 |
| Vq^ | z3ext then... | 15:13 |
| Vq^ | "Multiple distributions found for package z3ext.portal; z3c.autoinclude refuses to guess." | 15:13 |
| Theuni | i never touched the z3ext stuff. | 15:14 |
| Theuni | and i haven't used autoinclude either, so i'm out of luck there :/ | 15:14 |
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| Vq^ | ok :/ | 15:19 |
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| J1m | I wonder if I'm going to be able to build windows releases for Python 2.6. I suspect not. | 16:17 |
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| J1m | nope | 16:30 |
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| regebro | I'm trying to pickle things, but loads of the things I have are aq_wrappers. | 18:49 |
| regebro | Unfortunately, sometimes those things are lists, which again have aq_wrappers etc. | 18:50 |
| regebro | (not the lists, lists of things that have aq_wrappers) | 18:50 |
| regebro | Is there a method somewhere in Zope or ZODB that says "Eh, pickle this and unwrap everything". :) | 18:50 |
| regebro | ? | 18:50 |
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| Theuni | regebro: good question. actually there probably isn't | 18:55 |
| Theuni | recursive unwrapping is non-trivial. | 18:55 |
| regebro | Theuni: Yeah, I suspect so. | 18:55 |
| Theuni | because from the point of containers that probably needs to be an in-place operation | 18:55 |
| regebro | If I have to no pickle dump but export this data to XML or something this migration is going to take WEEKS. And I have days. | 18:56 |
| regebro | Theuni: I hope there are no containers... :) | 18:56 |
| Theuni | hmm | 18:56 |
| Theuni | regebro: "containers" in the pythonic sense | 18:56 |
| regebro | Theuni: Ah, I'm not even sure what that is. :) | 18:57 |
| Theuni | You might wanna check how pickle does its recursive thing. | 18:57 |
| Theuni | regebro: usually stuff that "contains" other objects like lists, dicts, etc. | 18:57 |
| regebro | OK. | 18:57 |
| Theuni | iterable/enumerable stuff | 18:57 |
| regebro | Well, as long as they are not objects that have aq_wrapped objects as attributes it might work. :) | 18:57 |
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| rocky | ok ... i need to figure out what eggs/projects depend on egg X ... so the opposite of what most dep tools do... any suggestions? (i've tried tl.eggdeps and zope.dependencytool and no luck) | 19:20 |
| Theuni | argh | 19:21 |
| Theuni | that's a pretty hard one | 19:21 |
| Theuni | i mean in general | 19:21 |
| Theuni | you have to limit the scope like 'all eggs on pypi' or 'all eggs on my harddisk' | 19:21 |
| rocky | "my workingset" will suffice | 19:21 |
| rocky | if i could get a tool that just printed out the graph of all module deps, that'd be fine... but as it stands tl.eggdeps seems to hide certain deps with ellipsis for no good reason | 19:22 |
| rocky | i'm getting a bad version of zope.app.component but i can't figure out what's depending on it | 19:22 |
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| Theuni | rocky: you could email thomas I guess, he's likely to respond | 19:23 |
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| ChrisW1 | anyone know how to load up an old revision of an oid? | 19:41 |
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| ChrisW | is loadSerial the correct way to get an old revision of an oid? | 19:52 |
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| sidnei | J1m: ping? | 19:58 |
| J1m | Hi | 19:58 |
| J1m | ChrisW, yes | 19:58 |
| sidnei | hi J1m, i ran the zodb 3.8 tests for python 2.6 on windows, theres one failure an one error | 19:59 |
| J1m | heh | 19:59 |
| ChrisW | J1m: hmm, what format is oid in and what is serial? | 19:59 |
| J1m | so much for windows errors not depending on python version. | 19:59 |
| sidnei | J1m: you get no errors on other versions? | 19:59 |
| J1m | Not with b9 or with 3.8 branch | 19:59 |
| ChrisW | p64(oid) seems to not TypeError for oid, but I get a POSKeyError for an oid which works fine with .load( | 20:00 |
| J1m | ChrisW, oid is a string oid, serial is a string transaction id. | 20:00 |
| ChrisW | ah | 20:00 |
| ChrisW | so how do I turn tid 0x03790c7883c21100 into the thing to pass to loadSerial? | 20:00 |
| sidnei | J1m: i will try with other versions on the same box, maybe its something local | 20:00 |
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| J1m | maybe, I'll also install the express VC and test with that, although I'm unsure when I'll get to that. | 20:01 |
| sidnei | Tests with errors: checkCrossDBInvalidations (ZEO.tests.testConnection.MappingStorageConnectionTests) | 20:01 |
| sidnei | Tests with failures: c:\src\zodb-3.8\src\ZEO\tests\zeo-fan-out.test | 20:02 |
| sidnei | fwiw | 20:02 |
| ChrisW | ah, u64, right? | 20:02 |
| J1m | ChrisW, p64(0x03790c7883c21100) should do. | 20:02 |
| sidnei | the first one failed on os.fsync() | 20:02 |
| sidnei | maybe that is a python 2.6 failure after all | 20:02 |
| J1m | ChrisW, p64 packs an int into a string. u64 does the opposite. | 20:02 |
| J1m | sidnei, maybe | 20:02 |
| J1m | sidnei, does the express vc version optimize as much as the normal version? Or is optimization an upsell? | 20:03 |
| ChrisW | hmm, is fsoids.py still current? | 20:04 |
| sidnei | J1m: never measured it, i guess it doesn't really matter that much | 20:04 |
| sidnei | J1m: i will ask Mark though | 20:05 |
| J1m | It does to me. | 20:05 |
| ChrisW | its output is returning tids for an oid, but loading the oid and tid with loadSerial gives a keyerror :-S | 20:05 |
| J1m | Tim used to say that the VC optimizaer was very good and that some operations were faster on windows than linux as a result. | 20:05 |
| sidnei | J1m: fwiw, running that test in isolation does *not* fail | 20:05 |
| J1m | Oh, wonderful | 20:05 |
| J1m | ChrisW, I have no reason to think fsoids is broken, but I rarely, if ever use abny of those scripts. | 20:06 |
| J1m | sidnei, in any case, it would probablty ve easiest for me to at least install the express version and debug the test failures myself. | 20:07 |
| J1m | I'd much rather post an optimized version to pypi than an unoptimized one. | 20:07 |
| sidnei | here's what i've found: | 20:07 |
| sidnei | Yes, Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition includes the same core optimizing compiler that will be included with all other Visual Studio 2005 editions. Some new expanded optimization features, including Profile Guided Optimizations, will be available only in the Professional and above editions of Visual Studio 2005. | 20:08 |
| sidnei | not sure how official that is, it's from some developer forum | 20:08 |
| J1m | Hm, sounds god enough to me. | 20:08 |
| J1m | good | 20:08 |
| J1m | I'm not about to use a profile-guided optimizer. :) | 20:08 |
| sidnei | ok, so that's official, it's copied from here: http://www.microsoft.com/express/support/faq/default.aspx | 20:10 |
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| J1m | Cool. Then you're off the hook. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. | 20:12 |
| sidnei | np, glad to help. | 20:12 |
| sidnei | i should be looking at running zope2 on python2.6 soon btw | 20:13 |
| ChrisW | cool :-) | 20:13 |
| sidnei | Mark said we shouldn't even try to build for Windows x64 with python 2.5 | 20:13 |
| ChrisW | what about RestrictedPython? | 20:14 |
| sidnei | ChrisW: will cross that bridge when i get there :) | 20:14 |
| ChrisW | well, it hasn't been crossed for 2.5 yet :-( | 20:14 |
| sidnei | ChrisW: yes, sad but true | 20:15 |
| J1m | I wish someone had the energy to get Zope 2 to use Zope3's protection system (security proxies with limited restricted Python). | 20:20 |
| * sidnei too | 20:23 | |
| J1m | It would also be interesting for someone to do a packaging of Zope2 or Plone (or whatever) that didn't have any TTW code and could thus avoid the whle issue. | 20:24 |
| J1m | I bet 97% of apps don't really need TTW code. | 20:24 |
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| sidnei | well, plone depends a lot on FSPythonScript for example, due to it's CMF base | 20:25 |
| sidnei | but i guess those could be turned unrestricted? | 20:25 |
| J1m | I would think so. | 20:26 |
| J1m | Don | 20:26 |
| J1m | Don't forget python code in templates. | 20:26 |
| J1m | But the same applies. | 20:26 |
| sidnei | true | 20:26 |
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