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| afd__ | is there a sane way to deal with a system install of zope.interface? (one Ubuntu package depends on zope.interface and they have 3.3.1, which is incompatible with the most of the zope 3.4 packages) | 09:08 |
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| afd__ | I get a "Error: There is a version conflict." We already have: zope.interface 3.3.1 but myapp requires 'zope.interface>=3.5.0' | 09:08 |
| srichter | afd__: I would compile my own Python | 09:08 |
| afd__ | or maybe I should run it under virtualenv... | 09:09 |
| srichter | or at least use virtualenv or another method to setup a custom PYthon env | 09:09 |
| afd__ | is there no mechanism in buildout to deal with this issue? | 09:09 |
| srichter | yes, you can pin the version | 09:09 |
| afd__ | I did | 09:10 |
| srichter | mmh, that should work | 09:10 |
| afd__ | I'm extending this: http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/versions.cfg | 09:10 |
| afd__ | I've also set specific version dependency for install_requires, in my package setup.py | 09:10 |
| afd__ | creating a versions section in my buildout didn't help either | 09:11 |
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| davisagli | afd__: I think if a package is already in your global environment then buildout won't install it, even if you use a version pin. try running buildout from a virtualenv created with --no-site-packages | 09:16 |
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| afd__ | yes, that was what I am doing... but isn't it a bug if buildout doesn't obey the version specifications? | 09:17 |
| afd__ | actually, thinking about it, I have a python app that I'm developing that doesn't use so many zope libraries and there it works | 09:18 |
| afd__ | although I needed to list zope.interface last in the install_requires, to get the zope.interface egg path to be inserted first in the wrapper scripts | 09:18 |
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| mintsauce | Is there a tal / python way to check for the existence of an image at an url? | 14:10 |
| mintsauce | like exists: but for urls not paths ... | 14:10 |
| ignas | mintsauce: no, don't think it's easy to implement | 14:11 |
| mintsauce | fiddlesticks | 14:11 |
| ignas | mintsauce: without making an http request to your application | 14:11 |
| ignas | i mean - how else can you do that? unless you know what you are looking for, and if you know what you are looking for | 14:11 |
| ignas | like a photo of a person | 14:12 |
| ignas | then you can construct a case specific test like | 14:12 |
| ignas | <img tal:condition="person/photo" /> | 14:12 |
| mintsauce | but that relies on it being on zodb? (Which, actually in my case it is, I just wondered if I could avoid the ZODB overhead) | 14:13 |
| ignas | emm, what? | 14:13 |
| ignas | you want to know if a resource exists without ZODB overhead? | 14:13 |
| ignas | where are you going to store the data about that then? | 14:13 |
| ignas | or are you only talking about "resources" that are registered through zcml? | 14:14 |
| ignas | if your images are in ZODB the only way to find out if they are there is to ask ZODB ;) | 14:14 |
| ignas | if they are not in ZODB then - well you know how to check if they exist, don't you? | 14:14 |
| * mintsauce looks thick | 14:15 | |
| ignas | well you suggested that in some way testing for existance of "http://application/john/photo" would not add ZODB overhead that testing for person/photo would... | 14:15 |
| mintsauce | sorry, let me explain a bit more. | 14:16 |
| mintsauce | I'm want to return a users photo - but it's on the very front page and will be viewed a lot as a result. Now, correct me if im wrong, retrieving the image by wondering off into the member annoations (where it's stored) seems to be a higher cost than accessing the url and seeing if I get an image....................... | 14:18 |
| mintsauce | but by the sounds of it, the latter isn't an option that's available. | 14:19 |
| ignas | oh really | 14:19 |
| ignas | you mean - you think that an access of a bit of data in process costs more than | 14:20 |
| ignas | an http request, that traverses into person, then tries to access that same bit of data in a separate process | 14:20 |
| mintsauce | hehe - 'I think' - would be happy to told otherwise :) | 14:20 |
| ignas | it's the same info in the same place, but instead of doing 20 operations in the same view, you are doing 20 operations in separate HTTP request/response cycles | 14:21 |
| mintsauce | I see what you mean .. | 14:25 |
| ignas | but do you understand it? ;) | 14:26 |
| ignas | how many of them are you displaying on the same page by the way? | 14:27 |
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| ignas | if it's less than 200 i'll yell at you for premature optimization too ;) | 14:28 |
| * mintsauce keeps quiet | 14:28 | |
| mintsauce | but but but .... it's the homepage of the site, which i expect to be visited heavily .... ;) | 14:28 |
| ignas | you expect | 14:30 |
| mintsauce | ok. point taken :P | 14:30 |
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| imgrey | hi #zope3-dev | 14:57 |
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| imgrey | does someone know why callback 'cb' not triggering here: a = tst_db['tst']; b = weakref.proxy(, cb); del a ? | 14:59 |
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| ignas | imgrey: where are you importing the weakref.proxy from? | 15:11 |
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| ignas | imgrey: well duh | 15:13 |
| ignas | imgrey: you are deleting "a" but tst_db['tst'] is still referring to the object | 15:14 |
| ignas | imgrey: that you have passed to weakref.proxy | 15:14 |
| ignas | imgrey: so the object is not gone, thus weakref is not doing anything | 15:14 |
| ignas | imgrey: and anyway - how is that related to Zope3? | 15:14 |
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| imgrey | ignas, module weakref. python2.5 | 15:32 |
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| imgrey | ignas, as it is impossible to use __del__ method I'm trying to find a way to execute callback after object destructor finished its work | 15:34 |
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| ignas | imgrey: what desctructor | 15:43 |
| ignas | imgrey: use IObjectRemoved event and subscribers if it's zope | 15:43 |
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| imgrey | ignas, http://dpaste.com/61/ | 15:45 |
| projekt01 | jukart, ayt? | 15:46 |
| jukart | projekt01: jep | 15:46 |
| projekt01 | jukart, did you just remove duplucated code in jsonrpc? | 15:46 |
| jukart | projekt01: im my own branch not in trunk | 15:47 |
| imgrey | ignas, I saw zope events and canot imagine how it may be used in my application | 15:47 |
| projekt01 | or what is your goal? | 15:47 |
| projekt01 | yup | 15:47 |
| jukart | projekt01: my goal is to get non positional arguments back for version 1.1 | 15:47 |
| projekt01 | can we do this and be compatible with the specification? | 15:48 |
| jukart | projekt01: the proposal for 1.1 defines non positional arguments and we already used it | 15:48 |
| jukart | we need to stay with 1.1 because our gae backend only supports 1.1 | 15:49 |
| projekt01 | I'm fine with any improvment, I just saw the changes. I'm not sure what's missing, was I while ago since I was working on that ;-) | 15:49 |
| jukart | projekt01: my brach i made now supports everything for all versions | 15:50 |
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| projekt01 | just wondering if it has sideeffects for z3c.json or the JS lib z3c.jsonrpcproxy | 15:50 |
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| projekt01 | Do you think it's compatible with everything before? | 15:50 |
| jukart | projekt01: I don't think there are side effects because it is just an extension | 15:50 |
| projekt01 | cool | 15:50 |
| projekt01 | can you merge that back to the trunk? | 15:51 |
| jukart | but didn't look at jsonrpcproxy | 15:51 |
| jukart | projekt01: np | 15:51 |
| projekt01 | I'll take a look at that tonight | 15:51 |
| jukart | projekt01: I would also like to make a new release because right now I use my own eggs in our internal repos | 15:51 |
| projekt01 | of corse, no problem | 15:52 |
| jukart | would like to see it on pypi | 15:52 |
| jukart | so I merge it to trunk now so that you can test it | 15:52 |
| projekt01 | jukart, Ok, will do so and let you know if it's working | 15:53 |
| projekt01 | jukart, what JS library are you using with z3c.jsonrpc? | 15:53 |
| jukart | projekt01: we have a GWT frontend | 15:54 |
| jukart | and I used pyjamas for some tests | 15:54 |
| projekt01 | is thre a simple way to test GWT with z3c.jsonrpc? | 15:54 |
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| jukart | projekt01: no not really, nothing is simple with java :( | 15:54 |
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| projekt01 | I see | 15:55 |
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| projekt01 | I'll take a look at that tonight and let you know about that | 15:56 |
| projekt01 | jukart, probably I'll find a way to add a handcrafted test framework using a server setup for the different JS libs like JQuery uses by default | 15:59 |
| jukart | projekt01: merge is done, z3c.jsonrpc tests are still passing | 15:59 |
| projekt01 | cool | 15:59 |
| jukart | projekt01: but the test only use version 2.0 | 15:59 |
| projekt01 | ;-) | 15:59 |
| projekt01 | I'll add more tests for the other versions tonight | 16:00 |
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| jukart | projekt01: did you see my other fixes I did last week, there where wrong checks for incoming version numbers | 16:00 |
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| jukart | I changed them from float to string | 16:00 |
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| projekt01 | Yes, saw that looks good to me | 16:01 |
| jukart | projekt01: and works much better with our frontend :) | 16:01 |
| ignas | imgrey: sorry, had to go afk | 16:01 |
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| ignas | imgrey: as I said - you have to do del test_db['tst'] to trigger the garbage collection of your variable | 16:02 |
| imgrey | ignas, the same | 16:02 |
| ignas | you do both del a and del test_db['tst']? | 16:02 |
| imgrey | as far as I understand zodb managing objects on its own. and it is necessary to dig into its caching mechanism | 16:03 |
| imgrey | ignas, only tst_db['tst'] | 16:03 |
| ignas | imgrey: i am not sure how and why are you trying to mix zodb garbage collection and python garbage collection | 16:03 |
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| ignas | imgrey: well - python garbage collection and object destruction is only triggered when there are no more references to the object | 16:04 |
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| ignas | imgrey: so naturally as long as at least one of the "a" and "test_db['tst']" are pointing at your object | 16:04 |
| ignas | imgrey: the object will have refcount > 0 and will not be destroyed | 16:04 |
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| ignas | imgrey: and still I don't get how it is related to zope3, and what are you trying to accomplish... | 16:05 |
| imgrey | ignas, according to my logic, when I perform 'del' object should be deleted (its __del__ method should be called). and when it deleted, then weakref proxy should call my callback. it may not happen only for one reason, if zodb overloaded __del__ method | 16:05 |
| ignas | del | 16:06 |
| imgrey | if it is so, then its impossible to catch event | 16:06 |
| ignas | deletes 1 reference of the object | 16:06 |
| ignas | and __del__ only get's triggered if you delete all of them | 16:06 |
| ignas | do you know what's the difference between the object that is created when you do A() and the variable that you assign the instance of the object to? | 16:07 |
| ignas | "a" is not the same thing as the instance of A(), "a" is pointing to A(), so by doing "del a" you remove reference to the object, not the object itself | 16:08 |
| ignas | so try doing this: | 16:09 |
| ignas | a = A() | 16:09 |
| ignas | b = a | 16:09 |
| ignas | wrap the object | 16:09 |
| ignas | and "del a" | 16:09 |
| ignas | yout callback will not get called | 16:09 |
| ignas | and i really hope you understand why | 16:09 |
| imgrey | ignas, I got it. thanks a lot | 16:10 |
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| imgrey | have someone seen this: http://dpaste.com/106/ ? | 17:38 |
| imgrey | cannot understand why application hangs on commect to zodb | 17:39 |
| ignas | imgrey: and the code that causes that? | 17:40 |
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| imgrey | ignas, http://dpaste.com/109/ | 17:42 |
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| benji | imgrey: which line in your 109 paste throws the exception? 15 perhaps? | 17:44 |
| imgrey | benji, there's no exception on client side | 17:44 |
| imgrey | benji, ZEO raises exception | 17:44 |
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| benji | imgrey: if your code is working, why are you complaning? ;) | 17:49 |
| benji | more seriously: I /think/ that's normal the first time you open a brand new DB | 17:50 |
| imgrey | benji, my code hangs | 17:50 |
| benji | ah; what line does it hang on? | 17:50 |
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| imgrey | benji, db = ZODB.DB(storage) | 17:52 |
| imgrey | benji, seems it hangs randomly | 17:55 |
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| benji | imgrey: sorry, nothing springs to mind | 17:58 |
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| runyaga | hi guys | 21:11 |
| nyo | hi guy) | 21:11 |
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| runyaga | can you have two zeo servers: one in READONLY and one WRITING connected to same file? | 21:12 |
| runyaga | i presume not | 21:12 |
| runyaga | because that is why we have zeoraid, relstorage and ZRS ;)? | 21:12 |
| nyo | well, don't ask me, I didn't use ZEO at all:) | 21:13 |
| agroszer | runyaga: I'd say yes | 21:13 |
| agroszer | or mostly yes | 21:13 |
| runyaga | how mostly? | 21:13 |
| agroszer | well, haven't used zeoraid yet | 21:14 |
| runyaga | no | 21:14 |
| runyaga | i'm talking about w/o zeoraid, relstorage or ZRS | 21:14 |
| agroszer | what are looking for? | 21:14 |
| agroszer | or trying to do? | 21:14 |
| runyaga | two servers running off the same file | 21:14 |
| runyaga | same data.fs | 21:14 |
| runyaga | one in readonly mode | 21:14 |
| runyaga | one in normal mode | 21:14 |
| agroszer | I think the "normal" one will lock the data.fs that way that you cannot open it from any other process | 21:15 |
| runyaga | if not read_only: | 21:16 |
| runyaga | # Create the lock file | 21:16 |
| runyaga | self._lock_file = LockFile(file_name + '.lock') | 21:16 |
| runyaga | self._tfile = open(file_name + '.tmp', 'w+b') | 21:16 |
| runyaga | self._tfmt = TempFormatter(self._tfile) | 21:16 |
| runyaga | so th elock file is only done if your not in read_only | 21:16 |
| agroszer | ahh, haven't used that | 21:16 |
| agroszer | ask Jim, he is the expert there | 21:17 |
| runyaga | J1m, ? | 21:17 |
| runyaga | i couldnt imagine this working.. it sounds too easy | 21:18 |
| agroszer | but when the file is on the same server, | 21:18 |
| agroszer | why two ZEO servers? | 21:18 |
| runyaga | right.. they are on a SAN | 21:18 |
| runyaga | read only redundnacy | 21:19 |
| agroszer | aha | 21:19 |
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| runyaga | J1m, last question 3.8a1 fixes are in 3.8 final? or 3.8.1.? http://svn.zope.org/ZODB/tags/3.8.1/?rev=97176 doesnt show 3.8a1 (cache verification) in HISTORY.txt | 21:44 |
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| J1m | runyaga, I don't know what you're talking about. :) | 22:33 |
| runyaga | i dont see HISTORY.txt file in ZODB 3.8.1 tag that says the cache fixes are in there | 22:34 |
| runyaga | the entries in HISTORY.txt on trunk say (3.8a1) and I was confused.. is that 3.8, 3.8.1? | 22:34 |
| runyaga | to be more specific.. the cache verification enhancements you did, those in 3.8.1? | 22:35 |
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| J1m | The trunk history file seems to be missing lots of information. | 22:38 |
| runyaga | ok. i apologize for taking your time. I will get someone to look at the diffs and ensure the verifications are in 3.8.1 | 22:39 |
| * runyaga was just confused by history | 22:39 | |
| J1m | It looks like entries need to be moved from the 3.8 branch to the trunk and that entries need to migrate from changes to history. | 22:39 |
| J1m | Look in the NEWS.txt for 3.8. | 22:40 |
| J1m | Look in the NEWS.txt for 3.8.1 | 22:40 |
| J1m | We're getting away from NEWS.txt, which is why entries were lost in merges. | 22:40 |
| J1m | The various cache-verification fixes, among many other fixes are in 3.8.1 and on the trunk. | 22:41 |
| runyaga | thank you | 22:42 |
| J1m | The references to 3.8a1 in the reunk history file should almost certainly refer to 3.8.0a1. | 22:43 |
| J1m | trunk | 22:43 |
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