| MFen | hmm. and this thing wants to download and install playtools from pypi instead of using the one i've got sitting right here | 00:00 |
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| MFen | this seems like a very basic question about buildout: what do i put in the tarball i upload to pypi if i want easy_install foo to install foo and do extra stuff? | 05:34 |
| MFen | "extra stuff" means basically "run these recipes which fetch and create data files in various ways". the parts they need would be distributed with my application, but making setuptools do them is a hassle and making buildout do them was relatively simple | 05:35 |
| MFen | unfortunately there's this gulf or disconnect between the two concepts. i just want easy_install foo to put the entire framework on someone's computer, everything ready to use. | 05:36 |
| MFen | maybe what i want is easy_install playtools_installer and then run /usr/bin/playtools_installer which does everything else? is that a thing? | 05:42 |
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| mcdonc | MFen: no "easy buckets" here, you have to do the work either way... either via buildout recipes or through something that does like you says and installs an installer | 05:44 |
| MFen | right. i *did* the buildout recipes. that went great, very easy. what i don't understand is how this all goes into the *distribution* of my software :) | 05:44 |
| mcdonc | MFen: it doesnt | 05:44 |
| mcdonc | either they run buildout, or they dont | 05:45 |
| MFen | at some point i need to upload something to pypi, so someone can easy_install playtools and have all this stuff happen. | 05:45 |
| mcdonc | and if they dont, they dont get your nice build | 05:45 |
| MFen | hmmmmm | 05:45 |
| MFen | ok, so playtools_installer is actually a proxy for buildout i assume | 05:45 |
| MFen | or.. this chimeric bootstrap.py i keep hearing about but can't actually find | 05:46 |
| mcdonc | thats up to you pretty much... i think the grok folks have done something like that via "grokproject" | 05:46 |
| MFen | that might make sense. i think my use case is similar to theirs | 05:47 |
| mcdonc | the closest thing to being able to install "an application" via eggs is via buildout | 05:48 |
| mcdonc | easy_install is fine for installing libraries | 05:48 |
| mcdonc | but it doesnt help with the "extra stuff" | 05:49 |
| MFen | indeed it does not | 05:49 |
| mcdonc | (config files, etc) | 05:49 |
| MFen | why does nobody like to help with the extra stuff :( | 05:49 |
| MFen | although i guess buildout will help, just slightly less help than i wanted | 05:49 |
| mcdonc | we use svn+buildout | 05:49 |
| mcdonc | it works | 05:50 |
| mcdonc | "if you want to instal this thing, check this thing out and run buildout" | 05:50 |
| mcdonc | not elegant but it does the job | 05:50 |
| MFen | is there a big repository of ready-made buildout recipes somewhere i can tap into? having a ready-made svn, hg, bzr or twisted.trial recipe would be quite handy | 05:50 |
| mcdonc | only the ones on pypi... buildout.org may have more info | 05:51 |
| mcdonc | or not.. it doesnt seem to have links to existing recipes | 05:51 |
| mcdonc | but maybe pypi has a category for them | 05:52 |
| MFen | i just got the gleam of an idea that i can use recipe = some.random.package and buildout will figure out where to get it. is that true at all? | 05:52 |
| mcdonc | it is | 05:53 |
| MFen | sweet. | 05:53 |
| mcdonc | well at least if its on pypi | 05:53 |
| MFen | yeah, no doubt | 05:53 |
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| MFen | heh, the top (latest) package on pypi is some dude's recipe for installing his application | 05:55 |
| MFen | topic::..build tools seems to have lots of them | 05:56 |
| MFen | ok, so here's another disconnect | 05:58 |
| MFen | i have this lovely set of dependencies set up for playtools | 05:59 |
| MFen | do i keep them in setup.py, move them into buildout.cfg as egg parts, both? | 05:59 |
| mcdonc | if they're dependencies of the code in playtools itself, keep them there | 06:05 |
| mcdonc | the stuff in buildout.cfg is for "deployment" (where you might need "extra stuff") | 06:06 |
| mcdonc | but if playtools imports code from something, its setup.py should name it | 06:06 |
| MFen | ok, makes sense | 06:06 |
| MFen | what about stuff that's only used by my testing framework? i'm tempted to put that into buildout.cfg | 06:07 |
| MFen | i.e. "fudge" is not imported by any library code but the tests will fail without it | 06:07 |
| mcdonc | no good answer; could be an "extra", could go in buildout.cfg, good go in "tests_require" | 06:07 |
| MFen | what the heck is tests_require? | 06:08 |
| mcdonc | setuptools thing | 06:08 |
| mcdonc | there's no good answer | 06:08 |
| MFen | ok | 06:08 |
| MFen | so if you were me, would you write setup.py to require buildout, and then write a script that invokes buildout with the right arguments to do the rest? | 06:10 |
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| MFen | if i type "develop = ." does . refer to the directory the cfg file is in or the directory i'm in when buildout runs? | 07:03 |
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| MFen | why do i get DistributionNotFound when buildout>setuptools attempts to install the dependencies of my package? | 07:48 |
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| MFen | AttributeError: Options instance has no attribute '_buildout' | 08:06 |
| MFen | seriously, what's with all these weird exceptions? | 08:06 |
| MFen | i can't believe what i'm doing is so weird that nobody has tried it before. i'm just installing software | 08:06 |
| MFen | need some informative error handling up ins | 08:07 |
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| svenn | I have a zc.recipe.egg:custom question, I get | 13:10 |
| svenn | Error: Referenced option does not exist: numpy location | 13:10 |
| svenn | the buildout look like this | 13:10 |
| svenn | http://pastebin.com/m152651d6 | 13:10 |
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| Theuni1 | svenn: I haven't seen the zc.recipe.egg to have a location option. | 13:40 |
| Theuni1 | is that documented? | 13:40 |
| svenn | I was looking at this | 13:41 |
| svenn | http://www.buildout.org/docs/tutorial.html?highlight=location#exercise-2 | 13:41 |
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| svenn | Theuni1: Is there an other why to specify the location of an egg? | 13:47 |
| svenn | why=way | 13:47 |
| Theuni1 | svenn: I don't think the egg-location will help you | 13:47 |
| Theuni1 | because the includes will probably not be there | 13:48 |
| svenn | Thueni: they are I think. If I use a absoulute path to my eggs-dir and the numpy egg it works | 13:49 |
| J1m | we really could use a download-archive recipe | 13:49 |
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| svenn | Thueni1: this work http://pastebin.com/m651f3fff (line 15) | 14:00 |
| svenn | J1m: is there a locaion option or did I missunderstand the tutorial? | 14:01 |
| J1m | In the tutorial, the cmmi provides a location option so other recipes can find out where it installs things. | 14:02 |
| J1m | So there is a location option in the cmmi recipe, but it is computed. | 14:03 |
| J1m | does that help? :) | 14:05 |
| svenn | Yes, I'll try to use the cmmi recipe instead, thanks. | 14:05 |
| Theuni1 | J1m: for that usecase? | 14:05 |
| J1m | Theuni1, I don't know what use case y'all are discussing. | 14:06 |
| Theuni1 | heh, so for what usecase do you want the download-archive recipe? | 14:06 |
| J1m | or even what you're asking me. | 14:06 |
| J1m | ah | 14:06 |
| J1m | well, I want it for things like js libraries. | 14:07 |
| Theuni1 | svenn: i figured it could be that the egg might expose that information, but my expectation that eggs usually don't do that | 14:07 |
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| J1m | But others might want it for getting other random files like include files. | 14:07 |
| J1m | include files for things that have bit don't install include files. | 14:07 |
| J1m | s/bit/but | 14:08 |
| svenn | Thueni1: yes, I guess that's usually the case | 14:09 |
| J1m | This is a bit of a hole in the egg story -- an understandable one. | 14:09 |
| J1m | Maybe buildout should try to do more here. | 14:10 |
| svenn | That would be nice :-) | 14:10 |
| J1m | Given the difficulties of getting setuptools on py3 I've been pondering having buildout rely on setuptools less and doing more with vanilla distutils distros. | 14:11 |
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| J1m | For example, if there was buildout:include-dir and/or buildout:lib-dir option, it could try to install packages so they stuck their includes and libs there. | 14:13 |
| J1m | Or, I suppose, there could be a special egg-installation recipe for packages that had these and buildout could install the files in a corresponding part dir. | 14:13 |
| J1m | That could be done today with a suitably written recipe. | 14:14 |
| J1m | gotta go | 14:14 |
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