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| malthe | srichter: it's a test setup issue. | 10:53 |
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| malthe | when it's testing Chameleon, 3 out of 4 templates are still rendered with ZPT. | 10:53 |
| malthe | are templates module-globals in z3c.form 2.0? | 10:54 |
| srichter | no, they should not | 10:54 |
| srichter | but that's great news | 10:54 |
| malthe | perhaps the z3c.ptcompat approach of fixing the behavior on first import isn't desirable. | 10:54 |
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| srichter | I was hoping you would find something like that | 10:54 |
| srichter | yeah, I agree | 10:55 |
| malthe | srichter: I put a "print 'ZPT'" / "print 'Chameleon'" in the render-methods. | 10:55 |
| malthe | and it would be all mixed up. | 10:55 |
| srichter | I see | 10:55 |
| malthe | the whole situation is untenable. | 10:55 |
| malthe | but i don't know what to do. | 10:55 |
| srichter | so let's talk through this again | 10:56 |
| malthe | k | 10:56 |
| srichter | so we want to swtich between template implementations based on an option and availaility | 10:56 |
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| malthe | it's a difficult problem to solve. | 10:57 |
| srichter | so usually this is solved via "registering a factory", like it is done for the security policy stuff | 10:58 |
| malthe | right | 10:58 |
| srichter | so we should provide a function like: setPageTemplateFactory and getPageTemplateFactory | 10:59 |
| malthe | or simply ``GlobalTemplateFactory``. | 10:59 |
| malthe | which you could then import | 10:59 |
| malthe | ViewPageTemplateFileFactory - it gets quite long. | 11:00 |
| srichter | yeah | 11:00 |
| srichter | I think that's okay | 11:00 |
| malthe | it doesn't change the fact that people like to use these factories on module import. | 11:00 |
| malthe | which leaves us with status quo. | 11:00 |
| malthe | and you can't even use ZCA at that point. | 11:01 |
| srichter | right | 11:01 |
| srichter | mmh, I see what you are saying | 11:01 |
| malthe | one solution is to use a common class | 11:02 |
| malthe | that delegates to the respective engine | 11:02 |
| srichter | ok, so all code that wants to use ptcompat cannot use the classes at module import time | 11:02 |
| srichter | and defer the lookup | 11:02 |
| malthe | of course it's always "one more function call" | 11:02 |
| srichter | that's just how it has to be | 11:02 |
| malthe | right | 11:02 |
| malthe | or use the common class | 11:03 |
| srichter | yeah, your solution would work too | 11:03 |
| malthe | perhaps it could be clever about it and delegate right from the __getattr__ | 11:03 |
| srichter | I probably like that even a little beetter | 11:03 |
| srichter | __getattr__ is slow | 11:03 |
| srichter | I wonder whether we could manipulate bases on the fly :-) | 11:04 |
| malthe | hehe | 11:04 |
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| malthe | not sure we can; there's also initialization | 11:04 |
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| srichter | let me try | 11:04 |
| malthe | but we can define the methods that we support and delegate | 11:04 |
| srichter | right | 11:04 |
| agroszer | hey guys | 11:04 |
| malthe | hey agroszer | 11:05 |
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| agroszer | I'd say don't build in black magic -- that will limit portability and compatibility | 11:05 |
| srichter | no, changing bases does nto work | 11:06 |
| malthe | right | 11:06 |
| agroszer | defer the lookup | 11:06 |
| srichter | agroszer: so how would you solve the problem? | 11:06 |
| srichter | ok | 11:06 |
| agroszer | boils down to something like currying | 11:06 |
| agroszer | I guess | 11:07 |
| srichter | malthe: agroszer: okay, I think deferring sounds like the right thing to do | 11:07 |
| malthe | right | 11:07 |
| malthe | it'll cost a bit of speed | 11:07 |
| malthe | but whatever | 11:07 |
| agroszer | combine it with lazy attributes? | 11:07 |
| malthe | the only thing is that our current situation is quite nice in that you get the actual template class you want. | 11:07 |
| malthe | not some proxy. | 11:08 |
| srichter | so we know that we only want to support API compatibility for a few methods | 11:08 |
| srichter | so that limits the code we have to write and the speed hit is minimal | 11:09 |
| agroszer | yes, maybe countable on one hand | 11:09 |
| malthe | how about keeping a weakref registry to all instances and then simply say, ``inst.__class__ = new_class; inst.re_init()``. | 11:09 |
| malthe | it's mostly for testing purposes anyway. | 11:10 |
| malthe | this is all controlled by a environment variable. | 11:10 |
| srichter | mmh, I hear you, but that would be a lot of magic, as agrozer says | 11:10 |
| srichter | true | 11:10 |
| malthe | but it's just for benchmarking/testing, really. | 11:10 |
| malthe | so yes, it's magic, but it isn't terrible. | 11:10 |
| malthe | i can't see how it would ever be used in production | 11:11 |
| malthe | perhaps the methods should carry a log-message with them saying "don't do this in prod." | 11:11 |
| srichter | yeah | 11:12 |
| malthe | maybe it's actually a better solution given we what have now. | 11:12 |
| malthe | which people actually might rely on, too. | 11:12 |
| srichter | give it a shot and we will see how it looks | 11:12 |
| malthe | *and* it's the faster approach. | 11:12 |
| malthe | k | 11:12 |
| malthe | let me try it, get the benchmarks up and running again, then we'll be hopefully encouraged, too :) | 11:13 |
| srichter | exactely! :-) | 11:13 |
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| malthe | srichter: http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/548 | 11:41 |
| malthe | so it's back to the same numbers. | 11:41 |
| malthe | here's the diff: http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/549 | 11:42 |
| malthe | seems reasonable? | 11:42 |
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| srichter | malthe: let me chec | 12:27 |
| srichter | malthe: looks good | 12:28 |
| malthe | k | 12:28 |
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| srichter | Zope 3 KGS trunk is now failure and error free!!!! | 17:27 |
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