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hexsprite having grief overriding a global utility that was grokked.. want to provide a mock implementation but it appears to cache the old version somehow... any ideas?09:43
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nathanyi have a ZPT i18n question that I'm hoping someone can help me with; not sure if I'm missing something or not19:53
afd__nathany: go ahead19:53
nathanywe have a chunk of HTML we want to translate that looks something like:19:53
nathanyThe license is <a href="" tal:attributes="href license/uri">here</a>.19:54
nathanyIt'd be nice to be able to assign an i18n:name to that attribute19:54
afd__you need to wrap it19:54
afd__something like:19:55
afd__The license is <span i18n:name="link" tal:omit-tag=""><a i18n:translate="">here</a></span>19:55
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nathanyafd__: I was sort of afraid of that :)19:56
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afd__yes, I don't like that either19:56
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nathanyThe downside there is that it splits "here" out of the context, which some of our translators have said makes it difficult to do the translation...19:57
afd__use an explicit message id, instead of literal message id19:57
nathanyafd__: you mean do that so they have additional context?19:58
afd__this should at least flag it for the translators, and make them look for the context19:58
nathanyright19:58
nathanyok19:58
mgedminpeople say that "here" is a really bad link text, for this and many other reasons19:58
afd__so, use i18n:translate="label-here" instead of i18n:translate=""19:58
nathanymgedmin: it's not actually "here"19:58
mgedmin<a href="..." i18n:translate="">Read our licence.</a>19:58
nathanyi was just trying to simply the example19:58
nathanyyou can see the actual bit we're working with at19:59
nathanyhttp://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.license.git/tree/cc/license/formatters/templates/default_header.pt?h=template_revamp20:00
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nathanythanks, afd__, mgedmin... very helpful to think of it this way20:00
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mgedminyeah, messages like 'This product is licenced under the <a href="...">GPL</a>' are impeccable from that point of view20:02
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nyoHey people, I just sent a proposal on zope.app.publisher refactoring to the zope-dev list, please read that :)22:07
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koboldnyo: do you really think that such a big reorganization can happen in the zope3 tree? you are a dreamer. ;)22:15
nyokobold: well, I refactored zope.app.security pretty the same way before22:16
mgedminmaybe people haven't noticed that yet :-)22:16
koboldnyo: I really would like to see it happen, but I suppose it won't be easy have everybody agree on it22:16
* mgedmin hopes he can finally start deploying the app upgraded to zope 3.4 kgs soon22:16
nyokobold: we can do some part of changes that noone have objections with and hold over controversial things22:18
nyokobold: but it really was not a big problem with zope.app.security22:19
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koboldnyo: just replied to the list re: zope.container, I don't think it is a good idea to move publisher-related things there22:20
nyokobold: I'll answer to the list in a minute22:22
koboldnyo: thanks for working on this22:23
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nyokobold: done. those "publisher-related things" are simply ZCML declarations that register the same traversers that are used for browser requests :-)22:29
koboldnyo: yep, you are right, sorry22:30
koboldnyo: although, I don't think those registrations belong to zope.container :)22:31
koboldit looks weird that zope.container depends on publisher-related things, even just for registering the adapters22:31
nyokobold: yes, but that's a topic for zope.container refactorings, not zope.app.publisher's :)22:32
koboldnyo: yah yah :)22:32
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