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| brandon_rhodes | If I have a basic browser:page and want to render it inside of a unit test, how much of Zope do I have to start up and get registered to have it working? | 06:02 |
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| brandon_rhodes | Is there a nice routine somewhere that sets everything up to make views callable without my having to discover all of the ZCML files to zcml.load_config()? | 06:03 |
| mcdonc | brandon_rhodes: i'm sure somebody knows the 2-sentence answer to this that makes it easy, but short of that i think you might need to look at what the browser:page zcml directive does and make the same mutations to the ZCA registry in the test setup | 06:27 |
| brandon_rhodes | mcdonc: well, I'm actually just trying to read in the ZCML. And am now sorting through the various errors that causes because of other parts of the system not being up and working. ;-) | 06:28 |
| brandon_rhodes | Next up: zope2.View permission unknown :-) | 06:28 |
| mcdonc | meh | 06:29 |
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| brandon_rhodes | Oh. Needed configure.zcml of Products.Five rather than its meta. silly me. | 06:31 |
| mcdonc | i realize it's useless to you, but in the frameworks we build we actually provide "testing" modules that handle very common registrations for you | 06:32 |
| mcdonc | i think this would be a good pattern for people to take up | 06:32 |
| mcdonc | e.g. if you write a new zcml directive, also create a testing function that does its job and document it | 06:33 |
| mcdonc | reading zcml files to do a unit test seems extreme (but necessary, i understand) | 06:33 |
| brandon_rhodes | mcdonc: yes, that's what I'm used to from my Grok days | 06:34 |
| mcdonc | zope2 project eh | 06:34 |
| brandon_rhodes | But with this help I'm trying to provide with "GetPaid" I'm kind of in a wilderness | 06:34 |
| brandon_rhodes | I don't want to start up entire Plone instances just to ask "if the object has amount=10 then does the view spit out <amount>10</amount>?" :-) | 06:35 |
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| mcdonc | that appears to be what the plone folks do | 06:39 |
| brandon_rhodes | mcdonc: I am not most Plone people :-) | 06:41 |
| mcdonc | i am glad | 06:42 |
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| brandon_rhodes | mcdonc: it's starting to get annoying how often I'm seeing my own name asking questions as I do a Google search for how to render a dratted zope2 browser:page from code :-) | 07:20 |
| mcdonc | there should be some name for this phenomena | 07:21 |
| brandon_rhodes | http://plone.org/support/forums/general#nabble-td323745 | 07:22 |
| mcdonc | google canyon-echo | 07:22 |
| brandon_rhodes | heh | 07:22 |
| brandon_rhodes | Ah, the last time it happened, They told me to do: view = view.__of__(an existing context) | 07:22 |
| mcdonc | brandon_rhodes: i hope you're being paid for this | 07:23 |
| mcdonc | this stuff is no fun | 07:23 |
| brandon_rhodes | Too bad Zope people almost never write stuff that's normal Python that you can Just Call that Just Works. :-) I was reading the bfg docs wistfully today :-) | 07:24 |
| mcdonc | i was sort of thinking about this today | 07:24 |
| mcdonc | i came to the conclusion that a) code lasts forever and b) when you make a framework, you have exactly one chance to get it right and c) if you get it wrong, see "a)" | 07:24 |
| mcdonc | the logical conclusion of course is "never make a framework" | 07:25 |
| brandon_rhodes | heh | 07:26 |
| brandon_rhodes | The problem is that if there are no frameworks then each project grows its own | 07:26 |
| mcdonc | well, at least its your own stank then | 07:26 |
| brandon_rhodes | Yeah, but each of them works differently, and each project you go back to maintain is a one-off and you have to remember how you did stuff there. | 07:27 |
| mcdonc | this is true | 07:28 |
| mcdonc | often the "old me" is harder to understand than anything else | 07:28 |
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| Theuni1 | oh | 11:02 |
| * Theuni1 just notices that that conversion was 4 hours ago ... | 11:02 | |
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