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| ChrisW | Hi All, anyone know how to run a specific DocFileSuite using zc.recipe.testrunner? | 00:13 |
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| ChrisW | trying to run just the protocol tests for ZEO... | 00:13 |
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| philiKON | ChrisW: iirc you can select tests using regexp | 00:25 |
| ChrisW | hey stranger :-) | 00:25 |
| philiKON | bin/test -t file.txt | 00:25 |
| ChrisW | what brings you here? :-) | 00:25 |
| philiKON | hey ChrisW | 00:25 |
| philiKON | well, #zope3-dev still is on my connect-upon-login list for irc ;) | 00:25 |
| ChrisW | how's the physics going? | 00:26 |
| philiKON | going well | 00:26 |
| philiKON | still doing zope? | 00:26 |
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| ChrisW | yep, but less than before | 00:27 |
| ChrisW | still use lots of bits of zope (buildout, test runner, component architecture, etc) but not the whole stack | 00:27 |
| philiKON | aye | 00:27 |
| ChrisW | although still supporting some Zope 2 apps, which is much nicer in Zope 2.12, what with buildout and all | 00:27 |
| ChrisW | you sitll using python at all? | 00:27 |
| ChrisW | (btw: -t worked, thanks!) | 00:28 |
| philiKON | in my spare time yeah | 00:28 |
| philiKON | i.e. never | 00:28 |
| ChrisW | no zope though, I'm guessing? ;-) | 00:28 |
| philiKON | nope | 00:28 |
| philiKON | been doing lots of Mathematica and C++. now mostly C++ | 00:29 |
| ChrisW | heh, ouch :-D | 00:29 |
| philiKON | Mathematica is fun. functional programming FTW | 00:29 |
| philiKON | and well, when i say C++, it's really not much OOP | 00:30 |
| ChrisW | yeah, but C++ ;-) | 00:30 |
| philiKON | we're using it for numerics | 00:30 |
| ChrisW | and C is even more :-/ | 00:30 |
| philiKON | number crunching etc. | 00:30 |
| ChrisW | *nods* | 00:30 |
| ChrisW | I may have to do some of that soon too | 00:30 |
| ChrisW | *dusts off hard hat* | 00:30 |
| philiKON | sure, some days i want to poke my eyes out | 00:30 |
| philiKON | just to end it all | 00:30 |
| philiKON | but usually it isn't C++'s fault | 00:31 |
| philiKON | it's my colleagues who've never heard of version control. | 00:31 |
| philiKON | or that you read code more than you write it | 00:31 |
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| ChrisW | any unit tests? ;-) | 00:31 |
| philiKON | or that we're actually collaborating so code isn't just written for one person | 00:31 |
| philiKON | hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha | 00:31 |
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| ChrisW | heh :-) | 00:34 |
| ChrisW | hey J1m_, just about to send an "interesting" mail to zodb-dev... | 00:36 |
| J1m_ | ? | 00:36 |
| J1m_ | How so? | 00:36 |
| ChrisW | the version parameter to the history method | 00:36 |
| ChrisW | the mail makes it all clear, 1 sec... | 00:36 |
| ChrisW | on its way | 00:38 |
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| ChrisW | also wondering about zc.recipe.rhrc vs zc.zodbrecipes:server vs zc.recipe.deployment: so, zc.zodbrecipes:server puts scripts in /etc/init.d, zc.recipe.rhrc does the same, what do I do about the name clash? | 00:47 |
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| ChrisW | J1m_: what's the ZEOStorage you're referring to? | 01:01 |
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| mgedmin | I want something for long-running requests | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | a progress indication of some kind... | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | oh, wow, a BrokenModified exception | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | first time I see one | 17:37 |
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| ignas | mgedmin, hmm, is long running request progress even compatible with wsgi way of doing things? | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | no | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | who cares | 18:15 |
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| ignas | zope does ;) Zope is out of web server business ;) and that is a server level feature I think | 18:15 |
| ignas | at least the implementations I have heard of | 18:16 |
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| mgedmin | wsgi supposedly lets me return response early | 18:16 |
| ignas | like "hanging requests" + inter request communication | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | so I could print "in progress + a bit of javascript for async polling of status updates", then go on working | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | sharing my progress via the browser session indexed by some job id | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | does _zope_ support "return response, then go on working"? | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | I'm fine tying up one of my 4 request threads for this | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | my use case is sysadminy maintenance tasks where browser timeouts are unpleasant | 18:18 |
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| gary_poster | mgedmin: zc still uses zc.async for stuff like that, fwiw and afaik | 18:46 |
| gary_poster | it's designed for just that sort of thing | 18:46 |
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| ignas | mgedmin, now that I think about it, yes, gary_poster and you are correct, it is doable, pretty easily even | 18:53 |
| ignas | I was thinking about file upload with a progress bar usecase | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | hm, zc.async sounds complicated | 18:53 |
| ignas | which is more complicated | 18:53 |
| * mgedmin reading docs | 18:53 | |
| ignas | than spawning an async job, and polling for results using javascript | 18:54 |
| gary_poster | right | 18:54 |
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| * gary_poster tried to not make zc.async complicated :-/ . Failed, at some level at least. | 18:54 | |
| ignas | gary_poster, by the way - what happens to zc.async with wsgi servers that spawn more than one application? | 18:55 |
| ignas | I thought of using zc.async for "crontab" style stuff some time ago | 18:56 |
| ignas | but was afraid that if ngnix or apache would spawn more than one wsgi application instance, I might start getting duplicate events, because one "thread" won't know about the other one | 18:56 |
| ignas | so used plain crontab | 18:56 |
| ignas | as I can be pretty sure there only is "one" instance of it running | 18:57 |
| ignas | or is zc.async more suited for "call this long running stuff, tell me when done" kinds of tasks | 18:57 |
| ignas | and not - let's have a thread next to my web application doing something | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | afaiu you can have your zc.async dispatcher in a separate process | 18:59 |
| * mgedmin skimmed the docs very quickly, glazing eyes over the very numerous doctest chunks | 18:59 | |
| ignas | hmm? so a separate application? | 19:00 |
| gary_poster | ignas: it's based on a shared ZODB via ZEO, so it has those standard characteristics (conflict resolution and so forth), and a shared scribbling space. It's primary use case is dynamic "call this long running stuff, tell me when done" as you said. I've always thought it would be pretty trivial to build from that into a crontab-like solution.The old Zope 2 predecessor had something like that. It is superior to crontabs because | 19:00 |
| gary_poster | sure that the next run never overlaps with the current one. You could hack together a poor mans version with just callbacks. | 19:00 |
| ignas | oh, using zodb for syncing | 19:01 |
| ignas | makes sense then | 19:01 |
| gary_poster | mgedmin: you can have the worker threads in the same process. It shows how to do that. That's how I used it, though I generally made those processes not part of the load balancing for the main app. | 19:02 |
| gary_poster | that meant for flexible deployment | 19:02 |
| gary_poster | if you discover you need more or less apps for the long-runnning stuff | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | "flexible" is often the opposite of "easy" ;) | 19:03 |
| gary_poster | too true | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | having to edit my zdaemon.conf and allocate new tcp ports doesn't look like something to take on lightly | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | for something that's a glorified debugging view rather than a core feature | 19:04 |
| gary_poster | mm, that's if you want to have the monitor port feature, right? | 19:04 |
| gary_poster | ...<shrug> sure. It cam in handy. We didn't see an easier way for similar functionality | 19:05 |
| ignas | mgedmin, can you commit a zodb transaction early in the process? | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | sure | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | gary_poster, "if"? cool, I assumed it was mandatory | 19:06 |
| ignas | mgedmin, if you want eye candy, you can probably spawn the actual job in an "iframe" | 19:06 |
| gary_poster | mgedmin: heh, flexible, remember? ;-) | 19:06 |
| * mgedmin books a spare afternoon to play with this | 19:06 | |
| ignas | mgedmin, and commit "progress" into some variable in zodb | 19:07 |
| ignas | mgedmin, and poll for it using javascript | 19:07 |
| ignas | mgedmin, maybe you could do it using tools "available" to you | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | ignas, idea | 19:07 |
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| mgedmin | but ISTR firefox gave up after a few minutes and terminated the http connection | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | which I think aborted the view on the server side | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | maybe not | 19:08 |
| ignas | hmm, other way of doing it | 19:08 |
| gary_poster | that's why he was suggesting the JS poll | 19:08 |
| ignas | is "streaming" | 19:08 |
| ignas | i think Zope can stream content directly | 19:08 |
| ignas | so you can return an iterable/stream | 19:08 |
| ignas | that tracks progress and performs the task | 19:09 |
| ignas | while returning some html/javascript | 19:09 |
| ignas | to show progress in a nice way | 19:09 |
| ignas | I mean - people do "large file downloads" somehow in zope don't they? | 19:09 |
| gary_poster | I think for mgedmin's use case a variation of your first approach would be easier | 19:09 |
| gary_poster | scribble progress on some ZODB object | 19:10 |
| gary_poster | have a simple view that returns value of progress | 19:10 |
| gary_poster | have JS that polls that | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | that is the easy part | 19:10 |
| ignas | the hard part is how to make the iframe not get "disconnected" | 19:11 |
| ignas | ? | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | forking the original request into "return html with js" and "do background processing with occasional zodb commits" is the difficult bit | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | imho | 19:11 |
| gary_poster | sure | 19:11 |
| ignas | mgedmin, forking? | 19:11 |
| gary_poster | what I just described is what you can do with zc.async. | 19:11 |
| ignas | mgedmin, why fork? | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:11 |
| gary_poster | The forking lets him return the original request back | 19:12 |
| gary_poster | while he just works elsewhere | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should try "request.response.write(); request.response.close(); do_background_job_now_in_the_same_thread()" | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | does request.response have write() and close()? | 19:12 |
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| ignas | my question is - why "return the original request back" | 19:13 |
| ignas | a button that submits a form in an iframe | 19:13 |
| ignas | that's how we do multiple file uploads for example | 19:13 |
| * gary_poster forgets. He thinks that the publisher wants to get adapt the output to something or other and handle it itself | 19:13 | |
| ignas | so the page you are in stays as it was, while long running thing | 19:13 |
| ignas | is chugging along in some <iframe style="display:none" /> | 19:14 |
| gary_poster | ignas, right, but when you are waiting for a response, Apache/Firefox/various other things let go after a while, giving up. | 19:14 |
| gary_poster | he could make the iframe and ignore it I suppose, if the error message is not too obvious | 19:15 |
| ignas | yeah, but if you would "print out a couple of bytes directy to the response" once in a while | 19:15 |
| gary_poster | meh :-) | 19:15 |
| ignas | as if you were slowly serving some large file | 19:15 |
| gary_poster | maybe so | 19:15 |
| * gary_poster would be going to zc.async, but then, he knows it. | 19:16 | |
| ignas | well - i am proposing a solution I know how I would implement in my pylons application ;) | 19:16 |
| gary_poster | heh, fair enough :-) | 19:17 |
| ignas | my background is - allowing 500 mb file uploads/downloads without using lots of RAM | 19:18 |
| gary_poster | hm, interesting. downloads don't seem so bad in Zope land, but uploads of that size might be interesting. | 19:20 |
| gary_poster | (that is, as you said, there is some streaming spelling or other, involving file handles IIRC) | 19:20 |
| ignas | duno, switched from Plone to pylons ;) | 19:21 |
| ignas | but can recall that you can stream stuff for downloads | 19:21 |
| ignas | did not fix uploads in our Plone version though | 19:21 |
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| * mgedmin now imagines somebody accidentally switching from Plone to Pylons due to a spelling error | 19:29 | |
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| gary_poster | lol | 19:35 |
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| ignas | easy_install Pylone | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | waaaaah | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | friday LATE evening, I must sit here and debug why zc.buildout ignores unzip = true | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | because the staging server won't start up | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | because it insists on writing into /home/mgedmin/.python-eggs, because simplejson is a zipped egg | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | I hate the world | 20:50 |
| davisagli | mgedmin: set your PYTHON_EGG_CACHE environment variable to make it write somewhere else | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | so it'll blow up next time I or the other sysadmin ssh's and does a sudo /path/to/buildout/bin/instance restart? | 20:53 |
| davisagli | mgedmin: also, unzip = true only has an effect at the time an egg is fetched, so if you already have simplejson it won't help | 20:53 |
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| mgedmin | rm eggs/simplejson*; bin/buildout; ls eggs/simplejson* -> doesn't unzip | 20:53 |
| davisagli | :( | 20:53 |
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| davisagli | I run zope via the script generated by plone.recipe.zope2instance, which lets me configure it to set env vars | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:55 |
| davisagli | e.g. environment-vars = PYTHON_EGG_CACHE ${buildout:directory}/var/.python-eggs | 20:55 |
| davisagli | (you still have to create that directory manually) | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | creating a ~/.pydistutils.cfg with [easy_install] zip_ok = 0 works | 20:56 |
| davisagli | huh, interesting | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | sad, more likely | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/388321 | 21:00 |
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