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| romanofski | someone who's working on z3c.form about? | 05:00 |
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| piro84 | good morning | 12:36 |
| piro84 | is there anybody that can help me understanding the zope test coverage reports? | 12:38 |
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| Theuni1 | piro84: i guess so | 12:59 |
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| piro84 | what does the ">>>>" sign mean? does it mean that the line is not covered by the test? | 13:20 |
| piro84 | and what about the numbers before the instructions? do you know what they mean? | 13:22 |
| reinout | number of times the line has been executed | 13:30 |
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| piro84 | ok thanks reinout | 13:36 |
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| piro84 | so I guess that I'm right about the '>>>>>' sign, isn't it? | 13:36 |
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| __mac__ | piro84: right | 13:50 |
| piro84 | thanks guys! | 13:55 |
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| piro84 | going to work! | 14:32 |
| piro84 | bye | 14:32 |
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| mgedmin | anybody want to talk about gocept.selenium ? | 17:14 |
| zagy | mgedmin: I would like to, but I can't since I don't know much about it ;) | 17:14 |
| benji | same here | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | this is precisely my motivation :) | 17:15 |
| zagy | I know a bit, so you might ask and I might be able to say something | 17:15 |
| zagy | Theuni1: should know much more | 17:15 |
| zagy | (as usual) | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | what do you people generally use for selenium? | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | PyPI has a multitude | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | I've used zc.selenium in the past, a bit; wasn't too impressed | 17:16 |
| benji | zc.selenium here; I'd like to use something with direct control (like selenium RC), but I'm not real happy with requiring a JVM just to run my tests | 17:17 |
| * mgedmin used to be dead-set against Java (or PHP) anywhere on my servers or development machines, now he's mellowing out | 17:18 | |
| mgedmin | gocept.selenium looks nice, from a brief glimpse at the source code | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | shame about the README | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | instead of telling you how to get started, it tells you "XXX writeme" | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to, if I knew how ;) | 17:18 |
| zagy | heh, gocept.selenium integrates with the testrunner and requries seleniumrc, yes | 17:19 |
| zagy | so java, yes | 17:19 |
| zagy | but which computer doesn't have java these days :) | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | where does the source live? not in svn.zope.org, apparently | 17:19 |
| benji | I'm not anti-java just for the sake of it, it's adding yet another thing to build, support, maintain, etc. | 17:19 |
| zagy | mgedmin: svn.gocept.com apparentlcy | 17:20 |
| zagy | we probably should move that to the zope repo if there is general interest in it | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | well, I found the bug tracker on google: https://intra.gocept.com/projects/issues/show/6483 | 17:21 |
| zagy | benji: yeah, but then you can let the tests run on a windows server and let it teset IE *puke* | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | I can try contributing a README.txt, as I try to figure things out | 17:21 |
| benji | luckily my current projects don't need to support IE | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | I'd be happier to see it on svn.zope.org, or using a DVCS | 17:22 |
| zagy | mgedmin: that would be very nice | 17:22 |
| * mgedmin envies benji | 17:22 | |
| zagy | mgedmin: yes, sure, create an issue :) | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | https://intra.gocept.com does not support OpenID :/ | 17:23 |
| zagy | oww thats a pity indeed | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | does svn.gocept.com allow anonymous checkouts? | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | and do I have to guess the URL? | 17:27 |
| zagy | mgedmin: should be http://svn.gocept.com/repos/gocept.selenium | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | zagy, 403 Forbidden | 17:29 |
| zagy | mgedmin: ah, sorry, http://svn.gocept.com/repos/gocept/gocept.selenium/ that is | 17:33 |
| * mgedmin now wonders if he wants to try bzr-svn or git-svn | 17:34 | |
| * mgedmin has had bad experiences with both | 17:34 | |
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| zagy | :) | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | well, bzr-svn fails rapidly (as usual), which only leaves git-svn | 17:37 |
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| mgedmin | zagy, afaiu gocept.selenium installs the selenium RC client, but you're still responsible for installing the selenium RC server, right? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | do you use collective.recipe.seleniumrc for that, or some other recipe? | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | e.g. there's also rcom.recipe.seleniumenv | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | and I've no clue what haufe.selenium does | 17:46 |
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| zagy | mgedmin: there are a few .cfg files in the gocept.selenium | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | ah! | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | thank you! | 17:50 |
| zagy | never mind | 17:51 |
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| mgedmin | so, collective.recipe.seleniumrc: buggy buggy buggy? | 18:04 |
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| mgedmin | thinks 1.0-beta-2/ is newer than 1.0.1? | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | or just has no knowledge of 1.0.1 and has 1.0-beta-2 hardcoded? | 18:04 |
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| mgedmin | ah, fixed in svn, but c..rseleniumrc 0.3 not released yet | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | $ bin/seleniumrc | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | [: 9: Linux: unexpected operator | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | not a good start | 18:09 |
| * mgedmin pulls out his bigger yak-shaving razor | 18:10 | |
| mgedmin | also fixed in the not-yet-released 0.3 | 18:10 |
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| mgedmin | hm, doctest-style selenium tests | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | ought to be possible without too much difficulty | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | just create a DocFileSuite with the appropriate setup/teardown and stuff the selenium driver into test.globs | 18:20 |
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| mgedmin | so, gocept.selenium doesn't start seleniumrc for me, I have to that myself | 18:27 |
| zagy | mgedmin: yes | 18:27 |
| zagy | mgedmin: that's intentional | 18:27 |
| zagy | mgedmin: because the rc could run on a different server | 18:28 |
| zagy | like a windows box | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | I got the impression you hardcode the hostname and port of the seleniumrc server? | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | do you use ssh port forwarding then? | 18:28 |
| projekt01 | __mac__, did you see my mail about z3c.authviewlet? | 18:29 |
| __mac__ | projekt01: not yet | 18:30 |
| zagy | mgedmin: not sure about that, I have neither used it nor developed it, just heard a few things here and there :) | 18:30 |
| projekt01 | __mac_, I like to add you to the z3c.authviewlet package on pypi | 18:30 |
| projekt01 | __mac__, what's your pypi nick? | 18:30 |
| __mac__ | projekt01: maybe it is greylisted | 18:31 |
| __mac__ | projekt01: i'm icemac on pypi | 18:31 |
| projekt01 | __mac__, just added you for z3c.authviewlet | 18:32 |
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| __mac__ | projekt01: thanks | 18:32 |
| projekt01 | let me know if I need to change something | 18:32 |
| projekt01 | __mac__, note, you have to include the package explicit now, z3c.layer.pagelet does not use them as dependency | 18:33 |
| __mac__ | projekt01: i'll have a look when I find some time | 18:33 |
| projekt01 | Ok, np | 18:33 |
| __mac__ | the missing dependency is fine for me | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | zagy, I registered a user account, but it won't accept my login | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | ah, probably it wants me to verify my email | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | greylisting has its downsides ... | 18:37 |
| * mgedmin twiddles his thumbs while sitting on a README.txt for gocept.selenium | 18:38 | |
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| * mgedmin attaches the README to https://intra.gocept.com/projects/issues/show/6483 | 18:44 | |
| zagy | mgedmin: thanks | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | zope.testrecorder can produce Selenium tests in the so-crazy-I'll-never-ever-consider-using-it HTML format | 18:45 |
| zagy | *G | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | zc.selenium has its own dialect for writing tests in Python | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | how similar is it to selenese? | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | I was thinking about updating zope.testrecorder to have different choices: Selenium (HTML), Selenium (Python) | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | but is one enough, or do we need Selenium (Python) and Selenium (zc.selenium)? | 18:47 |
| zagy | you don't need zc.selenium when you use gocept.selenium; but gocept.selenium is supposed to re-use the tests you might have written for zc.selenium | 18:48 |
| zagy | not sure that was your question anyway | 18:48 |
| benji | as for zope.testrecorder; I suggest making a plugin for Selenium IDE instead | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:49 |
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| mgedmin | zope.testrecorder seems to be a neat toy, but I haven't used it much | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | Selenium IDE is a Firefox plugin, IIRC? | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | well, I gave up on Firefox a while ago and switched to Chromium | 18:51 |
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| mgedmin | so I had this idea of making zope.testrecorder useful for gocept.selenium users | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | and then why not support zc.selenium at the same time, if that's not too hard? | 18:52 |
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| mgedmin | does MIMEText() work fine with binary files? | 18:54 |
| benji | yep, it is a FF plugin | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | eek, wrng channel | 18:54 |
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| mgedmin | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/haufe.selenium looks interesting | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | I don't quite see how to nicely combine bin/seleniumrc & bin/test && killall java in a buildbot job | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | selsrvctl start && selsrvstop would work here | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | dspt unprnncbl nms | 19:00 |
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| mgedmin | oh, wait, zope.testrecording does everything (including output formatting) in javascript :/ | 19:17 |
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| * mgedmin is having no luck trying to convince his selenium test to authenticate using HTTP basic auth :/ | 19:39 | |
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| mgedmin | am I missing something, or is there really no way to get the full HTML of a page out of selenium RC? | 19:56 |
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| Theuni1 | mgedmin: the server is currently hard coded | 20:04 |
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| Theuni1 | one of the issues in our list is to make that configurable | 20:05 |
| Theuni1 | if you contribute a readme then I'll move the code over to svn.zope.org ... ;) | 20:05 |
| Theuni1 | got to do some cooking now | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | Theuni1, you've got your readme attached to the "write more docs" ticket in your issue tracker ;) | 20:07 |
| Theuni1 | yay! | 20:07 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: about the seleniumrc killing | 20:08 |
| Theuni1 | just don;t | 20:08 |
| Theuni1 | it's a pretty light weight server intended for multiple-client usage | 20:08 |
| Theuni1 | just put it somewhere and let it sit there | 20:08 |
| Theuni1 | e.g. in a vm | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | and what, run it manually every time the vm reboots? | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | for every vm? | 20:09 |
| benji | mgedmin: the last time I looked, there was indeed no way of getting the full HTML out of Selenium | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | ouch :( | 20:10 |
| * mgedmin weeps | 20:10 | |
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| mgedmin | selenium.selenium.get_html_source()! | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | it's the gocept.selenium wrapper that doesn't have it | 20:19 |
| benji | cool | 20:20 |
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| mgedmin | haufe.selenium _is_ rather interesting | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | it uses zdaemon to put seleniumrc in the background | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | also it ships selenium and the python bindings within the egg, which I can't say I like | 20:33 |
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| mgedmin | and WTF is this self.verificationErrors = [] thing that everybody cargo cults from the official selenium rc docs? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | it's a bloody constant list that never gets modified! | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | love this bit: | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | assert 'ist ein Fehler aufgetreten' not in html,\ | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | 'Last click command(%s) caused an error' % locator | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | I'm pretty sure that assert will never fire on my English-speaking machine | 20:34 |
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| benji | heh | 20:36 |
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