IRC log of #zope3-dev for Wednesday, 2009-12-23

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holmesjlDoes anyone have experience with zenoss active directory authentication on CentOS 5?02:36
holmesjlactually its with zope itself not zenoss02:37
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mintsauceWhat's going on with this tuple: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159069/ - It's a dublin core record11:34
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kobolduh, is the whole doctest deprecated in zope.testing?11:50
koboldnah, we can't release a zope.testing package which deprecates something but *still* use it in the testrunner :(11:56
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Theuni1kobold: that's what i was wondering too12:10
Theuni1I mean, I don't know the change history and compability track record of Python's built-in doctest12:10
Theuni1There used to be differences and I think they'll hinder us regarding feature compatibility on the test writing over multiple python versions.12:11
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koboldTheuni1: I'm fixing it, if nobody else beats me12:13
Theuni1fixing what? :)12:13
koboldTheuni1: running the kgs tests with zope.testing, and see what happens12:14
Theuni1k12:14
Theuni1i just wonder whether we're going to loose stuff like footnotes12:14
koboldTheuni1: we have the infrastructure for running tests before the releases12:14
Theuni1i think that would be pretty annoying to us over here12:14
Theuni1kobold: yeah12:14
koboldlet's see what happens with the kgs tests... if it is not too dramatic, I will preare the releases for the test failures (if any)12:15
koboldwe need better release management, zope.testing 3.8.4 broke the tests of a lot of my projects (as well as the tests of a lot of ztk packages), we can't do that12:16
Theuni1bah12:17
Theuni1I notice that I developed the test infrastructure for that but didn't actually run them upfront because it left my field of vision.12:17
Theuni1(or better: field of thought)12:17
koboldhum, not so obvious... if we have doctest.py, "import doctest" won't import the standard python doctest module12:21
Theuni1maybe zope.testing does some import munging?12:24
koboldif you have doctest.py in the same folder of your script, and you issue import doctest, you won't get the standard one12:25
koboldit is not related to any import munging, I think12:25
Theuni1no12:28
Theuni1if that is the case then python's import order bites you12:28
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kobolduhm, it's a mess12:43
koboldthe main problem is that doctest exceptions will be printed differently, so we have tons of test failures12:51
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koboldTheuni1: would you check a diff on zope.testing to see if it is ok for you?14:24
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koboldnevermind, I sent an e-mail to zope-dev14:36
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J1mdoes anyone use undo?22:28
J1mdoes anyone know if it is still used w Zope 2?22:28
run|awayyes22:30
run|awaypeople use undo on zope 222:30
J1mI bet they find it quirky.22:33
run|awayi'm sure they do22:33
run|awayyou want to get rid of it?22:33
J1mOr fix it.22:34
run|awayyou guys use the undo support?22:34
J1mI just sent a note to zodb-dev describing some problems with it.22:34
J1mZC? No.22:34
run|awaythen why maintain it?22:34
J1mbecause other people may want it.22:34
J1mI don't like breaking things people use if I can help it.22:35
J1malthough when the thing is already broken, it's a hard call.22:36
run|away;-)22:36
J1mI don't think fixing it would be very hard (at least not fixing the things I know about), but doing so will require an API change.22:36
run|awaywell.. undo is seen as a viable feature to quite a few zope2 people22:37
J1mWhich means that appls that expose it would have to change.22:37
J1mSo, I woner how painful it would be for the Zope 2 maintainers to use a different API.22:38
J1mwonder22:38
davisagliJ1m: it is used by Plone folks, mostly as a last-resort before restoring from backup.  "damn, I screwed up, let me see if undo will save me before I go and restore or start truncating the filestorage by hand"22:40
run|awayi do not think it would be super painful for the zope maintainers to use different API22:41
J1mI think undo is a useful feature.22:41
davisagliJ1m: the API change would just be in the 3.9.x series?22:41
J1mdavisagli, 3.1022:41
run|awayi would presume 3.10?22:41
J1myup22:41
run|awaythats fine22:41
davisagliyeah, I think so22:41
run|awayi'm pretty sure plone uses the zope 2 api not the zodb api22:42
J1mundo isn't as useful as I tried to make it, but it still is useful.22:42
run|awayhow does ZC handle the case?22:43
run|awayif you want to rollback 2-3 transactions22:43
J1mWe don't. We never make mistakes. ;)22:43
run|awayamazing22:43
J1mWe don't do much TTW development.22:43
run|awayi thought your customers do22:43
J1mOur apps have so many users and so much database activity that undo is rarely feasible.22:44
J1mHistory is more commonly useful.  In some of our older zope 2-based apps, I've used the ability to copy data from the past to be able to recover from errors.22:45
J1mThat is more limited in scope than undo, but more likely to be usable.22:45
J1mDue to conflicts, I suspect that undo is only really very usable in sites without a lot of database activity.22:46
run|awaymostly in development22:47
J1myup22:47
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