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| agroszer | hi J1m | 16:26 |
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| agroszer | looking at zc.ngi, but on win32 | 16:30 |
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| J1m | agroszer, hi | 16:44 |
| J1m | cool | 16:44 |
| agroszer | well... | 16:44 |
| agroszer | you mind if I don't fix all tests? | 16:45 |
| J1m | I plan to make a fairly significant release soon(ish). | 16:45 |
| J1m | Are there test failures on windows? | 16:45 |
| agroszer | yes :-( | 16:45 |
| J1m | I don't know if I ever ran them on windows. :) | 16:45 |
| J1m | No, I don't mind if you don't fix windows test failures. | 16:46 |
| J1m | gotta go ... | 16:46 |
| agroszer | ttyl | 16:46 |
| agroszer | benji, J1m you mind doing a new release of zc.ngi? | 16:54 |
| benji | agroszer: I bet one of us can do it in the next little while | 16:58 |
| agroszer | thx! | 16:58 |
| J1m | agroszer, did you make changes? | 17:03 |
| agroszer | yes, commited, readme changes updated | 17:03 |
| J1m | k, I'll look at them. Is this weekend ok? | 17:04 |
| agroszer | yes, thx! | 17:04 |
| J1m | k | 17:04 |
| * J1m is glad that this is a 3-day weekend | 17:04 | |
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| baijum | http://bluebream.zope.org/ | 18:10 |
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| mcdonc | baijum: nice start | 18:21 |
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| baijum | mcdonc: thanks ! | 18:21 |
| mcdonc | writing docs is hard | 18:23 |
| baijum | mcdonc: I completely agree, but I am enjoying it :) | 18:23 |
| mcdonc | good.. the trick is to not go broke while you do it ;-) | 18:24 |
| baijum | :) | 18:24 |
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| baijum | mcdonc: how you manage to write lots of BFG docs ? how is community support for that ? | 18:27 |
| mcdonc | no community support at all for *writing* the docs, really... | 18:27 |
| baijum | mcdonc: Can we expect someone to help us ? | 18:28 |
| mcdonc | you can expect somebody to maybe review it | 18:28 |
| mcdonc | but that's even hard | 18:28 |
| baijum | hmm.. | 18:29 |
| mcdonc | unfortunately you really need to write the docs while you write the software to not wind up in a place where it's a backfilling job | 18:29 |
| mcdonc | done via "heroics" | 18:29 |
| mcdonc | i've volunteered to do docs for zope.configuration | 18:30 |
| baijum | mcdonc: actually I am learning a lot.. especially the "patterns"... | 18:30 |
| mcdonc | which patterns? | 18:30 |
| baijum | I mean the common design patterns in Zope 3 | 18:31 |
| baijum | hmm... BlueBream :) | 18:31 |
| mcdonc | ah right | 18:31 |
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| mcdonc | i am currently doing final review of the bfg docs for version 1.2 | 18:32 |
| mcdonc | this version will be published as a "real" book, so i'm doing a more thorough job than usual | 18:32 |
| mcdonc | its really hard | 18:32 |
| baijum | I am also planning to "self" publish this book at lulu.com | 18:33 |
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| mcdonc | i am using createspace | 18:34 |
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| mcdonc | no particular reason other than an amazon listing | 18:34 |
| baijum | lulu.com added amazon listing recently | 18:34 |
| mcdonc | i couldnt imagine publishing a book about all the software that comes in zope3 | 18:36 |
| mcdonc | it would be like 5000 pages long ;-) | 18:36 |
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| baijum | :) | 18:37 |
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| runyaga | mcdonc, publishing a bfg book?! | 18:41 |
| mcdonc | runyaga: yeah... i mean, if you consider self-publishing as publishing... ;-) | 18:41 |
| runyaga | that works | 18:41 |
| runyaga | doing it via amazon self publishing? | 18:41 |
| mcdonc | yup | 18:42 |
| * runyaga thumbs up | 18:42 | |
| mcdonc | should be out before pycon | 18:42 |
| mcdonc | will you be at pycon btw? | 18:42 |
| runyaga | yes | 18:42 |
| mcdonc | woot | 18:42 |
| runyaga | julien and i | 18:42 |
| runyaga | man..sqlalchemy kicks ass | 18:43 |
| runyaga | well kicks more ass than sqlobject | 18:43 |
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| runyaga | just ported that z3 app from sqlob to sqla | 18:43 |
| runyaga | so much nicer | 18:43 |
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| mcdonc | i never used sqlobject but sqlachemy seems to work good yeah | 18:43 |
| mcdonc | untrue | 18:45 |
| mcdonc | i have used sqlobject | 18:45 |
| mcdonc | via tasty ;-) | 18:45 |
| mcdonc | which is now dead, dead dead | 18:45 |
| runyaga | oh the joy | 18:45 |
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| mcdonc | which was not an insignificant motivator for http://plope.com/Members/chrism/service_process_fascination | 18:46 |
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| runyaga | yup | 18:47 |
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| runyaga | but i also think that service communication over weak protocols such as HTTP can also lead to all sorts of cluster fuckery | 18:48 |
| runyaga | but i agree with everything you write | 18:48 |
| runyaga | there is a massive difference in using JMS/MSMQ for integration with external services than something as low level as HTTP | 18:48 |
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| runyaga | small or moderately-sized system to rely on more than a single service process <- this is the key | 18:50 |
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| mcdonc | "do it stupid" | 19:00 |
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