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| * mgedmin needs some kind of in-memory cache for Plain python objects (strings) that has bounded growth | 15:53 | |
| Theuni1 | bounded by what measure? | 15:56 |
|---|---|---|
| Theuni1 | s/bounded/bound/ | 15:56 |
| Vq | size? | 15:57 |
| Theuni1 | ah | 15:59 |
| Theuni1 | i didn't see the "strings" part | 15:59 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: i think writing a custom dict for that isn't too hard | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | yes, but I dislike reinventing wheels | 15:59 |
| Vq | some kind of global patricia trie for storing "small" strings would be neat | 15:59 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: ah :) | 16:00 |
| Theuni1 | Vq: i think thats what interning is for | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | just something to speed up rendering of restructured text snipplets | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | I don't want to eat it all the RAM, since the snipplets can in theory change at runtime | 16:00 |
| Vq | Theuni1: does that exist in Python? | 16:00 |
| Theuni1 | Vq: i'm not sure how it's implemented | 16:00 |
| Theuni1 | by interned strings will always be the same object | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | I think a LRU of some kind with an upper bound on the number of objects should be sufficient | 16:01 |
| Vq | Theuni1: yeah, i recognise the concept from Java-land | 16:01 |
| Theuni1 | by default "short" strings without spaces are interned IIRC | 16:01 |
| Theuni1 | but you can also ask the interpreter to intern specific strings | 16:01 |
| * Vq <- not a Java programmer | 16:01 | |
| * Vq looks embarassed | 16:01 | |
| Theuni1 | right. don't try to disguise ;) | 16:01 |
| * Theuni1 puts a mustache on Vq | 16:02 | |
| mgedmin | short string literals, I assume | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | I doubt Python interns strings created at run time | 16:02 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin: ah, good point. no idea. :) | 16:02 |
| * Theuni1 wants multi-frame generators | 16:04 | |
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| Vq | maybe there is a function to explicitly intern them at run-time? | 16:05 |
| Vq | like, ehm, "intern()" | 16:07 |
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| Theuni1 | well, that I knew about | 16:08 |
| Theuni1 | mgedmin just questioned whether the automatic internalization happens only for literals or for strings that are computed or come from IO, too. | 16:09 |
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| Vq | ok, i didn't realise he asked for implicit interning | 16:11 |
| Theuni1 | no, i was talking about it | 16:12 |
| Theuni1 | and he just pointed out the reality might be slightly different than i thought ;) | 16:12 |
| Vq | it's an interesting problem though | 16:17 |
| Vq | saving on RAM when dealing with immutable datatypes | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | actually, you've just given me an idea | 16:18 |
| * Vq <- Haskell programmer (not Java dammit) | 16:18 | |
| mgedmin | atexit hook that prints the size of the cache at the end of the functional test run | 16:18 |
| Theuni1 | me? how that? | 16:20 |
| * Theuni1 wonders whether docs.zope.org only updates once a day | 16:20 | |
| * mgedmin has a buildbot job watch svn for commits to txt files in the right place and rebuild docs | 16:22 | |
| Theuni1 | yeah, well. poke dataflake. :) | 16:23 |
| Theuni1 | hudson could also do the build and upload via sftp | 16:23 |
| Theuni1 | that way the target machine doesn't have to run the build at all | 16:23 |
| Theuni1 | and doesn't need the infrastructure installed | 16:24 |
| * Theuni1 keeps plugging hudson | 16:24 | |
| mgedmin | hudson is friendly | 16:24 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | not too friendly, sadly | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | hu? | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | a bit friendlier than buildbot | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | i find it quite a bit friendlier : | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | :) | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | you didn't hear my cursing when hudson refused to do what it claimed it was able to do | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | what was that? | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | e.g. check out from file:// | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | woah? | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | some bug in some java subversion library that hudson bundles in its war | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | checksum errors of some kind | 16:25 |
| Theuni1 | ouch | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | found a bug report in hudson's tracker; nothing is apparently happening anyway | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | even though the fix is to upgrade to the later lib than hudson now bundles | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | also, I set up ssh host keys for the hudson unix user so it could access the repo over svn+ssh | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | but hudson's web UI *insisted* on me either giving it a username and a password pair, *or* uploading the ssh secret key over a web file upload form | 16:27 |
| * mgedmin hates software that thinks it's smarter than he is, especially when said software is wrong | 16:28 | |
| Theuni1 | Checking out a fresh workspace because the workspace is not file:///home/ctheune/tmp/asdf | 16:28 |
| Theuni1 | Checking out file:///home/ctheune/tmp/asdf | 16:28 |
| Theuni1 | At revision 0 | 16:28 |
| Theuni1 | no revision recorded for file:///home/ctheune/tmp/asdf in the previous build | 16:28 |
| Theuni1 | [workspace] $ /bin/sh -xe /tmp/hudson8468700479923771996.sh | 16:28 |
| Theuni1 | that worked for me ... | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-4727 | 16:29 |
| Theuni1 | why did you say nothing is happening apparently? | 16:31 |
| Theuni1 | the last guy said yesterday he fixed it in the plugin but needs some testing | 16:31 |
| Theuni1 | well, the day before yesterday | 16:31 |
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| mgedmin | because "bug has been fixed in the svnkit on 15-Sep-2009 version 1.3.1" and when I was setting up hudson a month ago, it still shipped with svnkit 1.3.0 | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | that last comment is interesting | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | but it sounds as if the guy is working around the svnkit bug in the plugin (if exception, nuke working tree and re-checkout) | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | and I doubt it will help me (IIRC I had that exception during the initial checkout) | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | also, why not just update svnkit? | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | am I misunderstanding something? | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, svn over file:// is tremendously faster than svn over svn+ssh://localhost/ | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | the initial ssh negotiation seems to increase latency a lot, even with a reasonably fast CPU | 16:36 |
| * mgedmin jumps up in the air excitedly | 16:37 | |
| mgedmin | twice! | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | caching rendered restructured text snippets shrinks functional test runtime from 12m 56s to 6m 45s | 16:37 |
| * mgedmin should've profiled sooner | 16:38 | |
| Theuni1 | cool | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | RunSnakeRun is nice, but I don't trust it | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | or the cProfile data that it shows | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | e.g. visually checkPermission seems to be taking ~50% of the time, but the cum_time column shows just 18% | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | previously there was a function that took 86 of cumtime, and one of its callers was a function that had 6ms of cumtime | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | the other caller had 0.1s | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | s/6ms/6s/ | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | s/86/86s/ | 16:42 |
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| mgedmin | incidentally, a trick for profiling in buildoutified projects | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | if you have interpreter=py | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | use bin/py -m cProfile -- -o prof.data bin/script args ... | 16:43 |
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| run|away | in cPickleCache.c, cc_update_object_size_estimation | 23:59 |
| run|away | - setting new_size to int; appears to fix the byte-size gc issue | 23:59 |
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