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| J1m | I really miss post-mortem debugging of tests. | 17:53 | 
| benji | Where did it go? | 17:54 | 
| J1m | It seems to have been broken in various ways for a while now. | 17:54 | 
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| * J1m starts trying old versions of the test runner... | 17:55 | |
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| J1m | I do happen to be using manuel atm. | 17:55 | 
| J1m | I don't know if that has anything to do with it. | 17:56 | 
| mgedmin | could it have been lost with the zope.testing.doctest -> doctest migration? | 17:56 | 
| J1m | likely | 17:56 | 
| mgedmin | I'm not using manuel, but bin/test -D drops me into a useless 'raise DocTestFailure()' | 17:56 | 
| benji | I think it worked the last time I tried it with Manuel. | 17:56 | 
| J1m | Yeah, I've seen that. | 17:56 | 
| J1m | In the test I'm working on now, when I use -D, the test appears to pass. | 17:57 | 
| J1m | I'm pretty sure the error is being swallowed. | 17:57 | 
| J1m | as the test shouldn't pass. :) | 17:57 | 
| J1m | (And it shouldn't fail in the way it is failing wo -D) | 17:58 | 
| benji | J1m: hmm, I suspect Manuel is the culprit | 17:58 | 
| J1m | dang | 17:58 | 
| benji | I think I've seen that behavior recently; I'll take a look at it tonight | 17:59 | 
| J1m | k, thanks | 17:59 | 
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| J1m | Yeah, it doesn't seem to be zope.testing. | 18:02 | 
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| J1m | get the same behavior with 3.4, which is pretty old. | 18:02 | 
| mgedmin | I suspect it's been brokend and fixed for more than one cycle | 18:03 | 
| J1m | possibly. I'm pretty sure the test runner had tests for it though. | 18:03 | 
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| mgedmin | (evil ctrl-w binding) | 18:22 | 
| * mgedmin wishes for bin/test --version again | 18:22 | |
| J1m | what would that do? | 18:24 | 
| mgedmin | print the version number to stdout | 18:25 | 
| J1m | of what? | 18:25 | 
| mgedmin | of the test runner | 18:25 | 
| mgedmin | e.g. "zope.testrunner 4.0.0b1" | 18:25 | 
| J1m | I would like --versions then. :) | 18:25 | 
| mgedmin | what would what do? | 18:26 | 
| J1m | print out the version of python and, at least, of all the distros directly on sys.path. | 18:26 | 
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| mgedmin | that sounds like something for bin/buildout | 18:27 | 
| J1m | but especially python, since I often forget what I built for last and it's tedious to look at the test script source. | 18:27 | 
| mgedmin | woohoo! benefit from zope.testrunner being a separate package now: I can unpin it (and zc.recipe.testrunner) and use it with bluebream-1.0a5.cfg without causing doctest deprecation warnings everywhere | 18:28 | 
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| mgedmin | actually, bin/buildout --versions sounds better and better the more I think about it | 18:29 | 
| mgedmin | I want to know (a) the superset of all eggs being used, (b) their version numbers and (c) whether the version is pinned or not | 18:30 | 
| J1m | what would it do? :) | 18:30 | 
| J1m | This is starting to sound like a children's book. | 18:30 | 
| mgedmin | twinkle twinkle little star ... | 18:30 | 
| J1m | oh | 18:30 | 
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