IRC log of #zope3-dev for Wednesday, 2010-08-25

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bbot_kgs341build #11 of Python2.4.6 64bit linux is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.afpy.org/kgs3.4/builders/Python2.4.6%2064bit%20linux/builds/1107:21
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menesisI would like to make micro releases of zope.app.component, zope.app.i18n, and zope.app.apidoc16:16
menesisall to get rid of the last uses of zope.deferredimport in ZTK16:17
menesismy pypi username is menesis16:17
mgedminmenesis, you now have pypi rights to all of them16:18
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menesismgedmin: thanks16:19
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srichterhey, who did the zc.buildout 1.5.0 release?21:24
agroszerhey21:24
agroszergary_poster, who else ;-)21:24
srichterit really, really breaks buildouts as it incorrectly modifies the path in the buildout script21:25
srichtergary_poster: ping21:25
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srichter:-)21:25
gary_postersrichter: hey :-) busy but can follow along and will be with you soon21:25
agroszerthere are some instructions in a mail on the distutils list21:25
agroszerg'night, gotta get some sleep...21:27
gary_posteralso see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout/1.5.0#system-python-and-zc-buildout-1-5 fwiw21:27
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srichtergary_poster: reading it now; ping me when you have a min21:32
gary_posterack21:32
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gary_postersrichter: hey, I have a minute.21:36
srichtergary_poster: so here is my scanario21:37
gary_posterk21:37
srichterI have mercurial installed using an rpm21:37
srichterit is available under usr/bin/hg and works just fine21:38
srichterI have a setuptools plugin z3c.mercurial_setuptools that invokes /usr/bin/hg21:38
srichterand that used to work just fine21:38
srichterbut in the buildout 1.5 buildout script you are manipulating the os.environ['PYTHONPATH'] variable21:39
gary_posterwere you using system Python for your buildouts?21:39
srichterwell, it is a custom isntalled python but installed via an RPM21:39
gary_posterah21:39
srichterso similar to system python but not quiete21:39
srichterbut I think the problem has nothing to do with that21:39
* gary_poster will reserve judgement :-)21:40
srichteryou are manipulating the PYTHONPATH environment variable, which affects *any* python script21:40
srichtergary_poster: it is historical21:40
srichterI think the problem is totally independent of whether I use a custom Python or virtualenv21:41
srichterof course I installed mercurial using an RPM and it uses system Python21:41
gary_posterif you do not do that, then subprocesses do not get an environment protected from the system Python's site packages21:41
srichterright but I do not want that effect21:42
srichterbecause the executable I am running is a system isntalled Python script21:42
srichterso now you effectively break every Python script installed into the system Python when run from a buildout recipe21:42
gary_posteryes, that is precisely correct21:43
gary_posterthat is a feature if you are using it with a true system Python21:43
gary_posterand unimportant if you are using a clean Python21:43
gary_posteryou are in an edge case.21:43
gary_poster(which is not to judge that it is unimportant)21:43
srichterso here is what's broken from my plugin: "subprocess.Popen(['hg', 'locate', '-f'])21:44
srichternote that I might be totally ignorant of the fact that hg is a Python script21:44
srichterfrom my point of view, I am just executing a script on the system21:44
gary_poster"my" == end user in that sentence I assume21:45
srichteryeah21:45
srichteror my as in recipe/plugin developer21:45
srichterI guess an alternative would be to temporarily remove the PYTHONPATH from the environment21:47
gary_posterYes21:47
gary_posterThese are the options I see:21:47
gary_poster(1) what you just said21:48
srichtereven better would be for me to have the ability to get to the original PYTHONPATH (None if not set)21:48
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* srichter waits for option (2) :-)21:49
gary_postermm...if I stuffed the original pythonpath in ORIGINAL_PYTHONPATH would that be acceptable?  Changing this environ thing to remove the PYTHONPATH stuff is not something I want to see for the default case, because it does make things better for the common case.21:49
srichterI think that's acceptable21:50
srichterbut it needs to be documented extremely well that any system-installed Python script breaks unless you reset the PYTHONPATH21:51
srichterespecially since it affects all Python versions21:52
srichterbecause on my system mercurial is installed for Python 2.4 while I am running my app on Python 2.521:52
gary_posterOK.  I can do that easily enough, and yes, I think I can put it in the new help docs I linked to.  Thank you.  ...Can I aim for a release tomorrow evening or is that significantly problematic for you?  I'd like to finish some other things, and ideally see if I can fix the one other unaddressed problem I've heard about  (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/623590 FWIW)21:52
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