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| VladDrac | hi | 22:37 | 
| VladDrac | what's the zope3 equivalent of something like (un)restrictedTraverse? | 22:37 | 
| mgedmin | zapi.traverse() maybe | 22:38 | 
| mgedmin | except zapi is kind-of-deprecated | 22:38 | 
| mgedmin | so zope.traversing.api.traverse() | 22:38 | 
| VladDrac | I'm working on old code :) | 22:39 | 
| mgedmin | depending on how old, it may be zope.app.traversing.api.traverse() | 22:39 | 
| mgedmin | zapi was always just a bunch of re-exports | 22:39 | 
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| VladDrac | argh | 22:44 | 
| VladDrac | I ended up in security hell | 22:44 | 
| VladDrac | trying to escape from it | 22:44 | 
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| mgedmin | removeSecurityProxy() is your friend | 22:46 | 
| VladDrac | that may work | 22:54 | 
| VladDrac | a quote from the source I'm working on (originally not mine, but he is a former zope.com employee ;) | 22:54 | 
| VladDrac | # Due to zope 3 being designed by monkeys on crack. The | 22:55 | 
| VladDrac | # security model is a horrible mess. | 22:55 | 
| mgedmin | 'design' is a strong word | 22:55 | 
| * mgedmin spent a week trying to extract some sense out of PluggableAuthentication | 22:55 | |
| mgedmin | of course ranting is easier than fixing :( | 22:56 | 
| VladDrac | well I'm not ranting, it's just a silent cry in the source | 22:57 | 
| VladDrac | unfortunately something I have to work on now | 22:58 | 
| mgedmin | the 'ranting' remark was directed at myself | 23:00 | 
| VladDrac | heh ok | 23:01 | 
| VladDrac | ok | 23:12 | 
| VladDrac | time to inform the customer this wil take waaaaaay longer than expected | 23:13 | 
| VladDrac | ok managed to work around it | 23:33 | 
| VladDrac | bypassing loads of security checks, adapters, interfaces, and so on | 23:33 | 
| VladDrac | I'm even indexing __annotations__ directly | 23:33 | 
| mgedmin | sounds like fun | 23:34 | 
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