IRC log of #zope3-dev for Thursday, 2010-12-02

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tulgawhich version of zope can I use on python 2.6?12:41
afd_tulga: zope 3.4 works on python 2.612:45
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flambyhi13:22
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flambyHi everyone, i'm starting with zope and I have been shown how to add a utility (we can't use the ZMI here) when this is done, i have to create a new zope instance for my modifications to be taken. Is there anyway to "refresh" or "update" the zope instance ?16:28
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aclarkmorning16:56
aclarkJ1m: ping16:57
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J1mHey aclark17:45
aclarkJ1m: Hiyo! Is this true? https://bugs.launchpad.net/collective.buildout/+bug/683584 I thought Gary added that stuff but I could be wrong (maybe you added it)17:47
aclarkJ1m: i.e. the part where Jeff says "Jim added this"17:48
J1mNo. He seems to think Gary's name is "Jim". :)17:50
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J1mI haven't touched buildout in a while. Not because I don't want to but because I've been afraid to until Gariy's work was settled and due to other commitments.17:51
J1ms/Gariy's/Gary's17:51
aclarkJ1m: OK so Jeff was confused I guess, just checking :-)17:52
aclarkJ1m: does that patch make sense? i.e. "people need to fix their recipes to support zc.buildout 1.5" (or take advantage of new features in this case)17:53
J1mI don't know.17:53
J1mI don't have time to look.17:53
J1mGary said that people would have to change their recipes to take advantage of the change.17:54
J1mHe changed zc.recipe.testrunner and I'm not at all hapy with the result.17:54
aclarkJ1m: k17:55
aclarkcool17:55
aclarknot cool17:55
J1mApparently, the scheme involves giving each script it's own site-packages directory and a generated non-trivial site.py.17:55
* J1m shudders17:55
J1mat least, I infer that from the new test runner recipe.17:55
J1mI get why people want to use existing Python installations, but the cures seem awful.17:56
J1mI'm going to have to really wade into this soon though, either to make peace with it or to mage the argument for ripping it out as a failed experiment.17:58
J1ms/mage/make17:58
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benjirecently I had an occasion when I was glad to use a system python, it was to gain access to GTK without having to walk over the hot coals and broken glass that is its build process17:59
J1mbenji, did you use buildout with it?18:00
J1mI've used system Python's to get access to things that were too hard to build with buildout, but then I accepted the dirt that came with that.18:01
J1mWould the new buildout system-python isolation have left you with access to GTK?18:01
benjiin this case the project was small enough that the isolation bits weren't important to me so I didn't try them; I too am curious how well they would have worked in that situation18:03
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mcdoncso far we've been pinning back to 1.4.418:15
mcdoncas the solution of running "bootstrap" using a virtualenv seems to be more reasonable than what 1.5.0 does18:16
mcdonc(and 1.5.0 breaks that)18:16
J1mI haven't been hurt by 1.5.  Everything pretty much worked for me after the upgrade.18:16
J1mOh, I'm sorry to hear that.18:16
J1msigh18:16
J1mMy only complaint so far has been the test runner scripts.18:17
mgedminwhat changed with the test runner scripts?18:18
* mgedmin felt a few speedbumps with random recipes -- e.g. z3c.recipe.tag -- releasing new versions requiring buildout >= 1.5 and breaking his builds, until he started using buildout-versions religiously18:19
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J1mmgedmin, see the message above where I shudder. :)18:43
mgedminah, aesthetic concerns18:44
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J1mpretty strong aesthetics, but it goes beyond that.18:45
J1mI often look at buildout-generated scripts to see exactly which project versions were used.18:46
mgedminI was a bit miffed when I could no longer see what egg versions I was using by grepping bin/test18:46
J1mI do this quite often with test scripts.18:46
J1mexactly.18:46
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mgedminbut it wasn't too difficult to find out how to grep the generated site.py18:46
J1mbefore I could quickly look at bin/test.18:46
mgedminbreaking virtualenv is unpleasant; I hadn't noticed that yet18:46
J1mNo I have to look at a more distant path and, if I actually look at the script, I have to scroll to find the section that lists the eggs.18:47
J1mgrepping is less sensitive to this, but I actually look at the source.18:47
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projekt01Jim, mgedmin, I agree with the failing experiment, another bad thing is that buildout generates a test folder by default which we already had in our project18:55
mgedmintest folder?18:56
projekt01parts/test get generated by default I think, or I'm wrong18:56
mgedminah, parts/test, yes18:56
projekt01that was not very nice18:57
mgedminbut it always did so, even before 1.518:57
mgedminwhat am I missing?18:57
projekt01and the mmissing system python support hurts sometime on windows18:57
mgedminand how can you have had it in your project -- all of parts/ is generated by buildout?18:57
projekt01[tmp]18:58
projekt01recipe = z3c.recipe.dev:mkdir18:58
projekt01path = parts/tmp18:58
projekt01sometimes we use the parts folder for store tings in it, e.g. upload temp dir or test data or whatever it needs19:00
* mgedmin would be inclined to do such setup in a test's or a layer's setUp19:00
projekt01yup, probably a better place to do it, but the mkdir recipe is so simple to use ;-)19:02
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aclarkmcdonc: why pinning to 1.4.4?21:39
mcdoncbecause 1.5 and virtualenv dont seem to work together21:45
mcdoncor at least not in the same way they used to be able to21:45
mcdonchavent spent a lot of time reasoning about it21:45
aclarkmcdonc: right21:50
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aclarkmcdonc: i've seen that i think. bootstrapping a buildout w/a venv python leads to various suprious errors IIRC. curiously: virtualenv foo ; cd foo; bin/pip install zc.buildout ; bin/buildout init seems to work fine21:56
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mcdoncok, yeah, i havent really tried to isolate things21:57
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