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| CrippsFX | morning folks ... it's been awhile. | 15:48 |
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| arnarl | Is it possible to register a view for strings? One that can be applied like this in tales: somevariable/@@viewname | 16:06 |
| projekt01 | arnarl, yes | 16:07 |
| arnarl | nice, where can I find an interface for the string? | 16:08 |
| projekt01 | str | 16:08 |
| arnarl | ah, so the type acts as an interface? | 16:08 |
| projekt01 | probably there is a string type, try it with string as name in the for="string IBrowserRequest" | 16:09 |
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| arnarl | projekt01: I'll try that, thnx | 16:09 |
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| projekt01 | arnarl, could be wrong, but I'm sure that this will work in some way | 16:10 |
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| projekt01 | arnarl, use adapts, this will work | 16:11 |
| projekt01 | e.g. zope.component.adapts(string, IBrowserRequest) | 16:12 |
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| __gotcha | what is the pattern in Z3 to forbid the removal of an object for business model reasons ? | 16:52 |
| __gotcha | iow, is there anything similar to BeforeDeleteException of Zope 2 ? | 16:53 |
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| hazmat | __gotcha, afaik, container constraints are modeled by different means | 17:02 |
| __gotcha | hazmat: Ican understand about container constraints | 17:02 |
| __gotcha | but what if the object itself does not want to be removed | 17:02 |
| __gotcha | like an image used by a page | 17:03 |
| __gotcha | is that also expressed at the container level ? | 17:03 |
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| __gotcha | hazmat: ? | 17:08 |
| benji | __gotcha: I strongly suggest you not use the ZMI in your app, and put these constraints in the application code instead | 17:10 |
| jsadjohnson | __gotcha: what type of container are you using? | 17:12 |
| jsadjohnson | __gotcha: you can override the __delitem__ method. | 17:12 |
| __gotcha | jsadjohnson: I am trying to understand Zope 2 code | 17:12 |
| __gotcha | which has some sort of Z3 events setup since 2.9 | 17:13 |
| jsadjohnson | __gotcha: can't help you there. :) | 17:13 |
| __gotcha | I am trying to understand patterns in Z3 | 17:13 |
| __gotcha | to see how they apply to the code I am reading | 17:13 |
| __gotcha | jsadjohnson: iow, Iam trying to understand the 'standard' way in Z3 to do logic coherence at the object level | 17:14 |
| __gotcha | there is maybe an API/interface that you need to fullfill in order to block removal | 17:15 |
| __gotcha | from a container | 17:15 |
| jsadjohnson | In z3 my experience is either the constraints in the interfaces or overriding __delitem__. | 17:15 |
| jsadjohnson | zope.app.container.interfaces.IContained and IContainer plus using zope.app.container.constraints.containers and contains are the ones I use the most. | 17:17 |
| jsadjohnson | At the Interfaces level. | 17:17 |
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| __gotcha | J1m: hi | 17:18 |
| __gotcha | what is the pattern in Z3 for an instance to make its constraint checks and refuse to be removed | 17:19 |
| J1m | You register a subscriber for a removal event and raise an exception to veto removal. | 17:21 |
| arnarl | What is the correct way to make a javascript function run once the document is loaded in ZMI? The skin seems to insert 'loadtree' directly on <body>. Any way to plug in a new function? | 17:23 |
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| arnarl | nevermind :-) | 17:25 |
| __gotcha | J1m: iow removal event happens before actual removal | 17:27 |
| J1m | I don't remember. It doesn't really matter thanks to transactions. | 17:30 |
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| __gotcha | J1m: ok, thansk | 17:32 |
| ignas | J1m: where can i find the most up to date version of bootstrap.py? | 17:35 |
| benji | ignas: svn cat svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zc.buildout/trunk/bootstrap/bootstrap.py > bootstrap.py | 17:37 |
| ignas | benji: thanks | 17:38 |
| benji | np | 17:38 |
| ignas | it does not work if setuptools-0.6a9 are available though | 17:39 |
| benji | I can't help you there. :) | 17:39 |
| ignas | would it make sense to try requiring a version that is higher than 0.6a9, instead of trysting whichever setuptools version is available | 17:39 |
| ignas | ? | 17:40 |
| benji | why is your setuptools not being upgraded automatically? | 17:40 |
| ignas | because i don't have root on the machine | 17:41 |
| ignas | and the script tries import pkg_resources | 17:41 |
| benji | oh, you're beeing EVIL, EEEVIL : | 17:41 |
| benji | :) | 17:41 |
| ignas | and only downloads setuptools if it can't find pkg_resources | 17:41 |
| benji | I guess you're using the system python | 17:41 |
| ignas | yes, but i need to bootstrap buildout if i want to build my own python | 17:42 |
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| benji | I don't understand that; why do you need buildout to build python? | 17:42 |
| ignas | and how would i have my setuptools upgraded automatically? | 17:42 |
| ignas | in non-system python | 17:42 |
| benji | buildout upgrades it (if it's not nailed) just like any other egg | 17:43 |
| ignas | but i don't have buildout, because i can't bootstrap it | 17:43 |
| ignas | because i have a buggy version of setuptools | 17:44 |
| * benji takes deep breaths. | 17:44 | |
| benji | I suggest you build your own Python, then use it to bootstrap a buildout (bootstrap will download the newsest setuptools) | 17:45 |
| ignas | i just thought that it would kind of make sense fixing bootstrap.py, to download setuptools if the available version is too old | 17:47 |
| * mgedmin waits for the fireworks | 17:47 | |
| benji | it might; I wasn't really commenting on that, just trying to get you unstuck | 17:47 |
| ignas | benji: thanks | 17:48 |
| benji | no problem | 17:48 |
| ignas | at the moment, i know at least 2 ways to work around broken setuptools | 17:48 |
| ignas | i just want to find a way that would do that automatically | 17:48 |
| ignas | (for less technically proficient users) | 17:48 |
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| ignas | i guess the most foolproof way in this case is to wget setuptools egg, extract it and put it in pythonpath when running bootstrap.py | 18:04 |
| benji | I haven't thought about it much, but could you instead make sure there is nothing in the Python path when you run bootstrap.py, that way it'll get its own copy of setuptools? | 18:05 |
| ignas | as i don't want to get into writing python/shell script to download and build python business | 18:05 |
| ignas | benji: hmm, but i would have to modify bootstrap.py | 18:05 |
| ignas | though as i have my own copy | 18:05 |
| ignas | oh | 18:06 |
| ignas | i can't | 18:06 |
| arnarl | Is there any way to make sure that browser:resources are checked for updates? A bit annoying to have to restart all the time. | 18:06 |
| ignas | buildout will try installing the egg into system site-packages anyway | 18:06 |
| benji | arnarl: if you turn dev-mode on, it'll do that | 18:07 |
| arnarl | benji: I think I'm in dev-mod. At least it says so when I start up... | 18:07 |
| benji | <shrug> | 18:07 |
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| markusleist | does anybody has ported philikon's pricipal-member-information-form (example 22.4.3) to z3c.form? | 18:16 |
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| ignas | benji: sys.path[:] = [path for path in list(sys.path) if 'setuptools' not in path] was enough to make bootstrap download and successfully install a newer version of setuptools | 18:17 |
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| benji | cool | 18:18 |
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