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| sakura_ | Hello :) | 01:29 |
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| sakura_ | a question ... can i use python2.6/2.7 or 3 with zope 3? | 01:48 |
| sakura_ | i'm completly new at zope3, in fact i'm reading this guide http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SettingUpAZope3Sandbox and says to use python2.4 | 01:48 |
| sakura_ | maybe this doc is outdated and zope 3 nows supports greater python versions .... | 01:49 |
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| mcdonc | sakura_: definitely not python 3 | 01:54 |
| mcdonc | i dont know about which python 2.4 versions are supported | 01:54 |
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| mcdonc | these days "zope 3" has been renamed "bluebream".. the docs at http://bluebream.zope.org/ are probably more up to date | 01:55 |
| mcdonc | that document mentions python 2.6 | 01:55 |
| mcdonc | http://bluebream.zope.org/doc/1.0/gettingstarted.html#installation | 01:56 |
| sakura_ | wow .... thanks a lot for the data mcdonc :) | 01:57 |
| mcdonc | there is also grok.. http://grok.zope.org | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | hmm i'm very confused | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | about where should i go :\ | 01:57 |
| mcdonc | yeah | 01:57 |
| mcdonc | i can't help | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | zope3 is outdated ? | 01:57 |
| mcdonc | i'm the author of a completely different web framework even ;-) | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | lol ! | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | which mcdonc ? | 01:57 |
| mcdonc | http://bfg.repoze.org/ | 01:57 |
| sakura_ | ouuu yeah! | 01:58 |
| sakura_ | i readed about it | 01:58 |
| sakura_ | wow, it's a pleasure for me to know its author! | 01:58 |
| mcdonc | pleased to meet you | 01:58 |
| sakura_ | thanks a lot for coding this framework mcdonc ! :D | 01:58 |
| mcdonc | bluebream and grok are "brothers".. both are based on the entirety of what used to be zope3 | 01:58 |
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| mcdonc | grok is friendlier than bluebream (arguably) | 01:59 |
| mcdonc | bfg is sort of a distant cousin | 01:59 |
| mcdonc | it only uses a few zope packages (not the entirety of zope3) | 01:59 |
| mcdonc | and those are only used "under the hood" and not really exposed to end users | 01:59 |
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| sakura_ | i think i need an application framework (i'll have to migrate a visual basic application that keep tracks from cars by gps to python) so part from the development will be at a web application | 02:03 |
| sakura_ | but i'll have other interfaces to the logic business core application ... | 02:04 |
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| sakura_ | hmm ... | 02:05 |
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| sm | er, TheJester .. did you just move XUF to sourceforge ? | 05:07 |
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| TheJester | Yeah about 4 years ago | 15:03 |
| TheJester | d8) | 15:03 |
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| betabug | that qualifies for "just" | 15:17 |
| betabug | hey TheJester :-) | 15:17 |
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| sm | TheJester: aha.. it just popped up on planetzope.org | 16:41 |
| TheJester | Yes, an ongoing issue with zope.org perms meant that various bits of my Members folder were marked private | 16:44 |
| TheJester | So some more bits got published yesterday d8) | 16:44 |
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| Ariel_Calzada | hi there is an ELSE sentence in TALES? | 19:00 |
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| bigkevmcd | in TALES or TAL? | 19:01 |
| bigkevmcd | you can use the | in TALES | 19:01 |
| bigkevmcd | which makes sense in an expression | 19:01 |
| Ariel_Calzada | bigkevmcd: thanks | 19:02 |
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| ignas | is there a way to find out how much space object takes up in ZODB? | 20:27 |
| moo--- | ignas: yup I think there is | 20:27 |
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| ignas | ok, what is that way? :) | 20:28 |
| ignas | I am working on a statistical ZODB profiler | 20:28 |
| ignas | I got object load counts associated with code, but i'd like to add "space" counter not just "count" counter | 20:28 |
| ignas | well - not statistical really | 20:28 |
| davisagli | ignas: the usual way is just to check the length of the pickle, I think | 20:29 |
| ignas | ok, how do I get the length of the pickle or the pickle itself? | 20:29 |
| moo--- | ignas: here is a script which checks the pickle offline from data.fs http://plonemanual.twinapex.fi/persistency/transactions.html | 20:29 |
| ignas | I don't need it offline, I already have the object available | 20:30 |
| ignas | I just want to "size it up" | 20:30 |
| moo--- | ignas: well that's where my information ends... I hope you can pick the torch from there :) | 20:30 |
| davisagli | ignas: something like pickle, serial = obj._p_jar._storage.load(obj._p_oid, obj._p_jar._version) | 20:31 |
| * moo--- writes down what davisagli just said | 20:32 | |
| davisagli | moo---: take with a grain of salt, I might be missing some attribute after _p_jar | 20:32 |
| ignas | davisagli, it is ;) | 20:33 |
| ignas | _p_jar is a connection, so it does not have a version on it | 20:33 |
| moo--- | davisagli: It does not matter... that gives enough information for experienced python developer *where to look for it* :) | 20:33 |
| davisagli | ignas: ok, you need to get a particular db from the connection then, IIRC | 20:34 |
| davisagli | also, the version might not be needed any more in recent ZODBs | 20:35 |
| sm | ignas: pymple | 20:36 |
| sm | I think pbengtsson recently blogged about using it to optimize his zope2 product | 20:36 |
| ignas | pymple - google can't find it | 20:37 |
| ignas | davisagli, cool, version is not needed | 20:38 |
| sm | sorry, pympler | 20:38 |
| sm | http://www.peterbe.com/plog/massive-improvement-on-sorting-a-fat-list | 20:38 |
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| ignas | hmm, interesting module | 20:44 |
| sm | yes indeed | 20:47 |
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| ignas | though in this case I only care about ZODB objects, so it's a bit cleaner only counting those | 20:50 |
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| vezult | Does zope provide any sort of hook, which would allow me to perform some action each time a user is authenticated and starts a new session. | 20:57 |
| vezult | (that was supposed to end in a question mark) | 20:58 |
| vezult | I'm using zope 2.7 | 20:58 |
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| ignas | whoah, isn't it like 5 years old? | 21:03 |
| vezult | ignas, yes | 21:11 |
| hannosch | uh, 2.7.0 is six years old, that was before we had Zope 3. I have no idea how things worked back then | 21:11 |
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| vezult | hannosch, so...how would you do it currently? | 21:12 |
| vezult | assume I'm using 2.12 | 21:12 |
| hannosch | well, I'm from the Plone crowd, we have PluggableAuthService and not the basic user folder implementation | 21:13 |
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| hannosch | IIRC the way to do anything with the basic user folder setup was to write a new user folder implementation each time - there were no hooks | 21:14 |
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| vezult | hannosch, thanks | 21:37 |
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