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| TKtiddle | where are available zope methods listed? | 00:25 |
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| TresEquis | TKtiddle: you didn't like the links I posted earlier? | 00:27 |
| TKtiddle | like the method absolute_url as in <a tal:attributes="href here/absolute_url">More....</a> how am i ment to know this exists, it is not mentioned in the zope book.. is it in the devolper guide? | 00:28 |
| TresEquis | the developer guide explains how to use the ZMI help system, which is where the Z2 API is most easily looked up | 00:30 |
| TresEquis | the Z3 API guide is online, though | 00:30 |
| TKtiddle | thanks i liken zope to dark art | 00:30 |
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| TKtiddle | Didn't mean to be rude Thanks for help :) | 00:37 |
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| TresEquis | TKtiddle: you're welcome | 00:55 |
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| planetzopebot | GDIP: Integration of Google Docs services in Plone (RedTurtle Technology) http://blog.redturtle.it/redturtle-blog/gdip-integration-of-google-docs-services-in-plone-on-pypi-and-plone.org | 12:04 |
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| sig11 | Howdy, can someone help me track down a UnicodeDecode error? It happens when someone uses say an esset when filling a template. | 17:49 |
| betabug | it's in your own code? or in the ZMI? | 17:50 |
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| sig11 | one second I'll post the traceback. It appears to me to be in ZPublisher | 17:50 |
| betabug | well, when you say "filling a template", what do you mean? | 17:50 |
| lisppaste6 | sig11 pasted "unicode decode error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97724 | 17:51 |
| TresEquis | sig11: the general principle is to decode the encoded strings on their way into the system (e.g., when processing a form POST) | 17:51 |
| TresEquis | and store them as Unicode | 17:51 |
| sig11 | Actually, I misspoke now that I think about it. When the page is being generated is when the error appears | 17:51 |
| TresEquis | in the code handling the form POST, you have access to the Content-Type header, which should tell you what charset to use for decoding | 17:52 |
| TresEquis | once the still-encoded data makes it to the backing store, you have lost the information | 17:52 |
| betabug | well, if it's in the ZMI, entering text in a ZPT, then you'd probably have to adjust the ZMI encoding | 17:52 |
| betabug | otherwise, as Tres says | 17:52 |
| betabug | the traceback is useless, "answer the questions", as the bad cop says | 17:53 |
| TresEquis | sig11: you can see the error when rendering the data | 17:53 |
| sidnei | TresEquis, i have to leave, wont be around for the meeting. what i have to report is that i have a windows ami with py2.6/x64 and it's possible to boot it up and compile stuff, tried zope.interface. need someone with an amazon id and gpg key so i can send the private key and give rights. | 17:53 |
| sig11 | yeah. Actually only get the error when rendering the data | 17:53 |
| TresEquis | so you need to fix the data | 17:53 |
| TresEquis | e.g., write an ExternalMethod which does something like: | 17:54 |
| TresEquis | deocded = self.<attr>.decode('UTF-8'); self.<attr> = decoded | 17:54 |
| TresEquis | probably needs a try: except: | 17:55 |
| TresEquis | and fall back to decoding from latin1 | 17:55 |
| TresEquis | sidnei: OK, thanks! | 17:55 |
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| TresEquis | sidnei: does it build both 32 and 64 bit installables? | 17:56 |
| moo---_ | sig11: here are also hints http://plonemanual.twinapex.fi/troubleshooting/unicode.html#unicodedecodeerror | 17:56 |
| sig11 | ok. I'll give it a shot. I picked up this contract with 0 zope experience and now I'm having to learn quickly. :P | 17:56 |
| sig11 | thanks for the help. | 17:57 |
| TresEquis | you're welcome | 17:58 |
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| TresEquis | just-in-theuni1 ;) | 17:58 |
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| Theuni1 | :) | 17:59 |
| * Theuni1 gets comfortable | 17:59 | |
| Theuni1 | So, everyone, here's today's agenda: https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2010-April/040091.html | 18:00 |
| Theuni1 | Any comments on the agenda itself? | 18:00 |
| agroszer | mgedmin is missing, but what about KGS3.4.1 | 18:01 |
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| Theuni1 | agroszer: i'll put that to the end of the list | 18:01 |
| TresEquis | I'd like to move up the LP bug management stuff | 18:02 |
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| Theuni1 | TresEquis: ok | 18:02 |
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| Theuni1 | Lets start with the bug day that's coming. | 18:03 |
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| Theuni1 | Did the announcements go out yet? | 18:03 |
| agroszer | I think so | 18:03 |
| TresEquis | ccomb: you here? | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | ah, there, on zope-dev. alright. | 18:03 |
| ccomb | TresEquis: yes | 18:03 |
| ccomb | hello | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | Hasn't been much feedback, but still. | 18:03 |
| agroszer | yah :-/ | 18:04 |
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| Theuni1 | I'm somewhat afraid about the date being a saturday. Was that on purpose? :) | 18:04 |
| TresEquis | I did a mini-bugday by myself on Saturday | 18:04 |
| TresEquis | Theuni1: I think so | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: heh :) | 18:04 |
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| TresEquis | I've been experimenting with using bzr against the SVN server | 18:04 |
| TresEquis | mostly successfully | 18:04 |
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| Theuni1 | Ah, that's where the bzrignore came from ;) | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | svn:externals are the only pain point at this time | 18:05 |
| ccomb | is there a migration to bzr on the w.ay | 18:05 |
| ccomb | ? | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | writing a doc on hacking repoze SVN using bzr, hg, and git | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | ccomb: no | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | I'd be happy to do mentoring on the bug day, but not many people have subscribed to the wiki page yet. | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: do you intend to be around? | 18:05 |
| TresEquis | but it should be possible for non-core contributors to use one of the DVCS tools | 18:06 |
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| TresEquis | Theuni1: part of the day | 18:06 |
| TresEquis | the doc is here http://svn.repoze.org/docs/repoze/HACKING.rst | 18:07 |
| regebro | aright, meeting, i forgot. :) | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: k, i guess we'll figure some of the stuff out then. | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | Anything else about the bug day? | 18:07 |
| Theuni1 | Everyone seems rather quiet about it :) | 18:07 |
| agroszer | get more people... | 18:07 |
| ccomb | I've not subscribed to the bugday page because I've not seen there was a list of people | 18:07 |
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| Theuni1 | ccomb: here's the page http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/BugDay20100424 | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | there's a list of people at the bottom | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | just so we get an idea who'll be joining | 18:08 |
| ccomb | I'm adding myself | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | thanks | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | Next topic: sprint schedule | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | we carried that topic over | 18:08 |
| agroszer | sort of | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: hm? | 18:09 |
| agroszer | I guess I started that, | 18:09 |
| agroszer | wondering when the next sprint could be | 18:09 |
| agroszer | then some people have thrown up some dates | 18:09 |
| Charlie_X | Summer beach boy surf and code | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | that sounds like it also cuts in the the issue of a general calendar with the various zope-related events | 18:10 |
| agroszer | let's join the two | 18:10 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: so your goal was mainly to be able to see what sprints are being planned? | 18:11 |
| agroszer | yes | 18:11 |
| TresEquis | Jan Smith (VP Sope Foundation) is working on a general calendar proposal | 18:11 |
| agroszer | IOW, if noone knows when the sprints are, noone will be there | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: hah! so that would be valuable input to him that people would like to see sprints on there. | 18:11 |
| TresEquis | yes (to her ;) | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | sounds like we can table that issue and wait for jan's proposal then | 18:12 |
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| Theuni1 | TresEquis: darn. every. single. time. | 18:12 |
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| Theuni1 | .oO(FTR: I apologize to Jan" | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | So, next: Test runners/nightly builds | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | Any news from that front? | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: visual studio? I bet that's been silent. :) | 18:13 |
| ccomb | Isn't there a free command line compiler? | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | sidnei: anything about the windows AMI? | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | ccomb: only for python versions that are recent enough | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | ccomb: we require one to build for 2.4 | 18:14 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, put win64 on the list | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: for supported platforms? | 18:15 |
| agroszer | for buildbots | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | hmm | 18:16 |
| agroszer | and... yes for supported platforms too please | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | the list doesn't exist yet :) | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | there's the open topic of "Towards a list of projects/platforms/etc. we want guaranteed builds for." | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | that hasn't been tackled yet | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | But I'll make a marker to include win64 there | 18:17 |
| TresEquis | sidnei had an update that he as a 64bit AMI image working | 18:17 |
| TresEquis | that can build binaries | 18:17 |
| agroszer | we usually forget about windowze, and even worse about win64 | 18:17 |
| TresEquis | he needs info from somebody with an EC account to turn over the keys | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: aha! | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: that's where the financial discussion with the ZF board comes into play, right? | 18:18 |
| TresEquis | I think it is still only Python 2.6 using the free VSE though | 18:18 |
| TresEquis | Theuni1: yes | 18:18 |
| TresEquis | we can maybe get by with just generating Py 2.6 binaries to start | 18:19 |
| TresEquis | and figure out if there is demand for 2.4 / 2.5 later | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | yeah | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | so the EC issue is on the board agenda later in april already | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | i think thats about it for the nightly builds/test runners for now | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | I have the feeling we should plan a somewhat longer session with the people directly involved with the issues to finalize the various issues | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | that could probably happen at some time in may depending on the ZF agility ;) | 18:20 |
| TresEquis | bug triage next? | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | yes. | 18:21 |
| * Charlie_X practises the ZF quickstep | 18:21 | |
| TresEquis | I'd like to get us out of the habit of dumping bugs onto central project | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: i'll move the KGS topic a bit down to hear about LP first. | 18:21 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, k | 18:21 |
| TresEquis | which mostly means enabling trackers for each of the component projects | 18:21 |
| TresEquis | and then shoveling bugs into the right bins | 18:22 |
| TresEquis | I'm willing to help with the shoveling | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: right. that's what the "ongoing issues" already aim for :) | 18:22 |
| agroszer | btw triage, would be grate to triage some bugs till bugday ;-) | 18:22 |
| TresEquis | so I'm asking us to revert earlier decision to centralize more | 18:22 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: aside the one-time thing, there's a book-keeping problem with that. | 18:22 |
| TresEquis | how so? | 18:23 |
| Charlie_X | Any feedback on my launchpad tracker script? | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: the earlier decision was for a temporary centralization until we figure out how to do the separated one | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: i started setting up individual trackers last EP | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | and then everything became very tedious to manage quickly | 18:23 |
| TresEquis | we are getting a lot of bugs in inappropriate places now | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 18:23 |
| TresEquis | like zopetoolkit-project | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | If you want to help, I'd be happy to sit down together with you and review how to do the separated setup on launchpad correctly together. | 18:24 |
| TresEquis | add me to the maintainers group for all the sub-projects, and I will help | 18:24 |
| ccomb | what is the difference btw zopetoolkit and zopetoolkit on LP? | 18:24 |
| TresEquis | we can get sidnei or gary_poster to help with back site | 18:24 |
| ccomb | and zopetoolkit-project | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | ccomb: one is a project group IIRC and the other a project | 18:24 |
| TresEquis | ccomb: zopetoolkit-project is supposed to be only for project management issues | 18:24 |
| TresEquis | zopetoolkit should be the project group | 18:25 |
| TresEquis | giving overview of all the components | 18:25 |
| wosc | hm. from a reporter perspective it would be nice not having to know too much project internals to be able to report a bug | 18:25 |
| wosc | otoh, that means the filing burden is on us ;) | 18:25 |
| TresEquis | wosc: you usually know which package has the bug | 18:25 |
| TresEquis | zope.component, whatever | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | wosc: yeah, but if you report a bug to zope.component then the project in LP should be zope.component. | 18:25 |
| wosc | Theuni1: true dat | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | otherwise you'd have to know whether to go to ZTK/Z3/Z2/grok/ .... | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | which is much harder to infer | 18:26 |
| wosc | yeah, that wouldn't be helpful at all | 18:26 |
| TresEquis | then the uber-projects can have folks who build the "also affects" linkages | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | TresEquis: do you have time tomorrow in the afternoon? | 18:26 |
| TresEquis | yes | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | i'd be happy to spend 2-3 hours then | 18:26 |
| TresEquis | agroszer: you wanted stuff on KGS? | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | i'll poke you about the specific time directly | 18:27 |
| TresEquis | k | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | right, so, the KGS 3.4.1 stuff | 18:27 |
| agroszer | well, some comments on the versions would be nice | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | AFAIK there is a discussion going on that I haven't been following too closely, but it seemed like at least it was having posts every now and then ;) | 18:27 |
| agroszer | otherwise silence is consent | 18:27 |
| TresEquis | agroszer: who are the main consumers? | 18:28 |
| TresEquis | folks who have existing Z3 apps deployed? | 18:28 |
| TresEquis | e.g. Launchpad? | 18:28 |
| agroszer | I think so | 18:28 |
| TresEquis | we should get the LP guys interested | 18:28 |
| agroszer | +mgedmin definitely | 18:28 |
| agroszer | as he started the ball | 18:29 |
| ccomb | I also do have a few ones | 18:29 |
| TresEquis | Jonathan Lange likely cares | 18:29 |
| TresEquis | maybe sidnei gary_poster too | 18:29 |
| agroszer | there's a thread on zope-dev | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: a) there was thread-hijacking going on b) if you want answers quickly, you might want to include a deadline in your post c) please be careful about moving discussions that exist in a thread over here. ;) | 18:30 |
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| agroszer | ok, overdiscussed | 18:30 |
| Theuni1 | ? | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | that's not a word :) | 18:31 |
| TresEquis | time | 18:31 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 18:31 |
| * Theuni1 declares the session over | 18:32 | |
| * Charlie_X would still like to know if his script was any use. Did I miss that at the start? | 18:32 | |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: don't know yet. still on my list :) | 18:32 |
| TresEquis | Charlie_X: I looked at it briefly | 18:33 |
| TresEquis | is it checked in anywhere? | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: uhm. not sure what you meant by overdiscussed ... :) | 18:33 |
| Charlie_X | Not yet as I didn't have a clue where to check it in. | 18:33 |
| TresEquis | make a new project on ZSVN, e.g. zc.bugchecker | 18:33 |
| TresEquis | oops | 18:33 |
| Theuni1 | zope. ;) | 18:33 |
| TresEquis | right | 18:33 |
| TresEquis | zope.bugchecker | 18:33 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, I wanted to have some attention and see whether anyone is interested | 18:34 |
| agroszer | so that I'm not doing the round for nothing | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | agroszer: is a shameless attention seeker | 18:34 |
| agroszer | +s | 18:34 |
| TresEquis | $ svn mkdir -m "Check stale LP bugs" $ZSVN/zope.bugchecker{,/trunk} | 18:34 |
| TresEquis | agroszer: I'm in favor, even though I won't likely use it | 18:34 |
| agroszer | ok, I'll keep going | 18:35 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: ok, so you got a list of people who might be interested so you could poke them directly if you wanted to, but looking at the thread I'd also say give it some patience for the answer of your most recent mail to come in ;) | 18:35 |
| agroszer | no worries | 18:36 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, one more thing, how/when do we want to find bugs for the bugday | 18:38 |
| agroszer | better said, select | 18:38 |
| Theuni1 | worst case i'd start doing some triage on that day | 18:39 |
| agroszer | k | 18:40 |
| Theuni1 | alright guys, i'm off now | 18:42 |
| agroszer | thx | 18:43 |
| * agroszer gotta run too | 18:43 | |
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| TresEquis | agroszer: interested parties could start tagging bugs 'bugday-20100424', or something | 18:46 |
| TresEquis | and publish a search URL for the tag | 18:46 |
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| Charlie_X | Thanks TresEquis. It's now in the repository. | 18:56 |
| TresEquis | great | 18:56 |
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| TKtiddle | Hi can someone please recommend the best way to view the zope documentation? I understand it's possible to generate documentation from the doc strings, what's the best method to do this? | 21:34 |
| TresEquis | Zope2 or Zope3? | 21:36 |
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| TKtiddle | zope 2.11 | 21:43 |
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| TKtiddle | do zopers read the source code? | 21:55 |
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| davisagli | TKtiddle: there is the Zope book at http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zope2book/ ... I'm not aware of good API documentation; most of us do just read the source I think | 22:01 |
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| TKtiddle | OMG! I found Zope API!!!!! apparently you just click the 'help!' link in the ZMI | 22:19 |
| davisagli | TKtiddle: also try the DocFinderTab product | 22:19 |
| marcellobs | hi all! I have some problem to commit unregisterHandler, i use this external method[1], work to unregister but not commit and didn't give me a erro transaction... help? [1]-http://pastebin.com/dkfDScsc | 22:23 |
| marcellobs | this script unregister but when i restart my instancia the handler still there! >( | 22:24 |
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| TKtiddle | davisagli: will try this thanks! | 22:25 |
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| Charlie_X | marcellobs: that sounds like a Plone specific issue. | 23:05 |
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| marcellobs | ok, but how can i remove it?! I'm layman in zope/plone =P, if you give the way i can try to do it my self =) | 23:09 |
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