IRC log of #zope for Monday, 2010-06-14

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planetzopebotquintagroup.plonegooglesitemaps 1.4 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/quintagroup.plonegooglesitemaps/1.412:04
planetzopebotProducts.PloneGlossary 1.4.1 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.PloneGlossary/1.4.112:04
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planetzopebotProducts.ZNagios 0.4.1 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.ZNagios/0.4.115:04
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planetzopebotcollective.plonetruegallery 0.9.1rc2 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.plonetruegallery/0.9.1rc216:04
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mephcpphello, I have a DateRangeIndex with start_date and end_date fields16:21
mephcppwhen I try to search the catalog doesn't return the exact dates16:22
mephcppfor example if I search using zcat(meta=.., my_daterangeindex=DateTime('2010/01/10')) it matches dates after 2010/01/10, but 2010/01/10 itself is left out16:23
betabugDateRangeIndexes are usually searched using the "query" attribute16:25
betabugin order to specify how exactly you mean your search16:25
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betabughmmm, sorry, I confused that16:25
betabugnevermind16:26
mephcpphas anyone used DateRangeIndex?16:26
betabugsure, they've been around a long time :-)16:27
betabugmyself I don't use them, so this confused me a bit: http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zope2book/SearchingZCatalog.html#daterangeindex-record-attributes16:27
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betabugso your objects have a start and end date attribute16:28
mephcppyeah16:28
betabugand 2010-01-10 is in the middle of that?16:28
mephcppno, it's the limit16:29
mephcppI what to be able to match that to16:29
mephcppI did  a stupid +-1 day search16:29
mephcppand I think it works..16:29
betabugwell, there's the problem16:29
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betabugif your limit is 2010-01-10, that is really 2010-01-10 00:00 (note the hour)16:30
betabugif your limit was 2010-01-10 23:59 it probably would work16:30
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mephcppstill..16:31
mephcppIf I need to match a date in the upper limit I need a +1 then I need to do another search for the lower limit16:33
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mephcppthen I need to combine these 2 catalog queries16:33
mephcppthis is stupid16:33
betabugno, you don't do a +1 on the upper limit16:33
betabugyou fix the code that enters the upper limit16:33
betabugto set it to the same date 23:5916:34
betabugand then you're done, without changing the search16:34
* mgedmin wonders about people posting stuff at 23:59.35463516:34
betabugbecause your code assumes the upper limit to be "inclusive that day" - so you have to make it inclusive16:34
mgedminis the range closed or half-open?16:34
mephcppthis clearly demonstrates how poor zcatalog is designed16:34
betabugmephcpp: no, it's a question of understanding what a date means16:35
betabugto you it means "all that day", but that's open to interpretation16:35
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betabugin the code it's just a point in time16:35
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mephcppbetabug, thanks16:36
betabugno problem :-)16:36
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RolandHi everyone!20:01
RolandNeed help with Zope failing to start20:02
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RolandIt is Zope-2.8.1-final and it is running as a service20:03
RolandWhen the service is started, event log contains a message20:03
Roland------20:04
Roland2010-06-14T18:37:15 INFO ZServer HTTP server started at Mon Jun 14 18:37:15 201020:04
RolandHostname: #hostname omitted#20:04
RolandPort: 808020:04
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Rolandand it repeats once again in about a minute20:04
Rolandbut still fails to start20:05
Rolandno more zope instances are running and port 8080 is free20:05
RolandCould you please help?20:05
d2mRoland: start in foreground mode, eg.: bin/zopectl fg20:06
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Rolandd2m: Thanks, but it is on Windows Server 2003 and is running as Windows Service20:08
mcdoncRoland: use "runzope.bat" (i think it still exists)20:14
mcdonc(shut the service down first)20:14
Rolandmcdonc: Yes, it still exists, and I'll try20:18
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Rolandmcdonc: But it is about configuration of a distant machine, so I can not change it permanently - i need to make things work for a service :(20:20
Rolandsomehow20:20
mcdoncRoland: starting zope via runzope.bat is a diagnostic measure20:21
mcdoncit will just let you see why it's not starting properly20:21
mcdonconce you fix that, it should be possible then to run it successfully again as a service20:22
RolandThanks, but how will i see? Will it put something in console output?20:23
mcdoncrun it from a dos window20:23
tiwulaanyone want to talk about conflict errors for a minute?20:23
tiwulaIt is my understanding that the transaction is retried if there is a conflict error.  Is that a correct understanding?20:24
Rolandmcdonc: Thanks, I'll try. I was not hoping to see the reason in the console, but now I do :)20:26
mcdonctiwula: the transaction is retried by the zope publisher up to three times20:29
tiwulaand if my understanding is correct, is the entire transaction retried from the top (including any side effects e.g., non-zodb database access)?20:30
mcdonctiwula: that's right20:30
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tiwulaso - the conflicts occur on the session_data_manager, which is located at the root.20:31
tiwulaI'm using virtual hosts, and all access is partitioned.  Can I move the session data to the root of each site?20:32
tiwulaThat would help reduce the conflicts of site a with site b, etc.20:32
tiwulaor is session data required to live at the root.20:33
mcdonctiwula: you can probably do that.. the zope book session chapter probably talks about this...20:33
tiwulaok - thanks - I'll poke around.20:33
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planetzopebotp4a.common 1.0.6 (PyPI recent updates)  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/p4a.common/1.0.622:04
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tiwulaI'm trying to reduce session conflicts.  It appears that temp_folder wired to only create a single transient object folder when zope starts.  My hope was to be able to create multiple session data containers in /temp_folder, but I'm losing hope.23:09
tiwulaAnyone have experience with adding multiple transient object containers to /temp_folder?23:10
tiwulaIf I understand correctly, /temp_folder is a RAM-based container.23:11
tiwulaDoes anyone have experience with file-based transient-object containers for sessions?23:11
tiwulaI've seen at least one post that seems to indicate that it may actually improve performance...23:11
tiwulaWe're using ZEO BTW, not sure if/how that might influence the outcome.23:12
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TresEquistiwula: you can make the mountpoint for the /tmp_folder be a ZEO storage23:14
TresEquispeople do that to avoid the need for "session affinity" to a specific appserver23:14
tiwulaI don't have an issue with session affinity at this point, but if a file-based session doesn't significantly impair performance, I'm pretty confident that I will be able to reduce conflict errors by partitioning the sessions across the sites.23:17
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