| TresEquis | tiwula: first try ensuring that the top-level object in your tempdb is a btree, rather than a PersistentMapping | 00:08 |
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| TresEquis | check out the 'container-class' config paramter to the mount | 00:11 |
| TresEquis | the default value, 'Products.TemporaryFolder.TemporaryContainer' is a folder, which is conflict prone | 00:12 |
| tiwula | ok | 00:12 |
| tiwula | Yes - that is what I have. I didn't change the default. | 00:13 |
| TresEquis | Or check out the 'faster' product, which is an alternate implementation | 00:13 |
| tiwula | what should I use as container-class in place of Products.TemporaryFolder.TemporaryContainer? | 00:13 |
| TresEquis | http://agendaless.com/Members/tseaver/software/faster | 00:13 |
| TresEquis | Products.BTreeFolder2/BTreeFolder2/BTreeFolder2 | 00:14 |
| TresEquis | for the alternate container-class | 00:15 |
| TresEquis | it won't have the pretty icon, but it won't kill you with conflicts | 00:15 |
| tiwula | OK - I'll start with that. Don't want too many dials moving at once.... | 00:15 |
| tiwula | then if that doesn't make a difference, I'll look at faster. | 00:16 |
| tiwula | those are preferable to the partitioning strategy as a starting point.... | 00:16 |
| TresEquis | actually, it probably doesn't help | 00:16 |
| TresEquis | the 'container-class', I mean | 00:16 |
| TresEquis | because the 'session_data' object is in between | 00:17 |
| tiwula | so - that will scuttle the benefit of the changed container-class? | 00:17 |
| TresEquis | yes | 00:18 |
| tiwula | bummer.... | 00:18 |
| tiwula | so - have you used faster? | 00:19 |
| TresEquis | the TransientObjectContainer is the culprit | 00:19 |
| TresEquis | heh, I wrote it (with mcdonc) | 00:19 |
| TresEquis | we have used it successfully for customer sites in production | 00:19 |
| TresEquis | but it has been a while (still running, never have to look at it kind of sites) | 00:19 |
| TresEquis | so long that I forgot why we wrote it in the first place | 00:20 |
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| TresEquis | you do have to get the 'faster' object re-created on restarts, if you use the tempstorage | 00:24 |
| tiwula | that's the same issue I'm dealing with on my current partitioning strategy | 00:31 |
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| TresEquis | tiwula: except your app has to somehow know about the partitions in which to create the sessions | 00:36 |
| TresEquis | are you running load-balanced across appservers? | 00:37 |
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| TresEquis | If not, try just mounting a normal filestorage at /temp_folder | 00:37 |
| TresEquis | you can then make "sticky" changes inside it, like replacing the 'session_data' object with the one from faster | 00:37 |
| TresEquis | you should be able to pack it on a different (more frequent, likely) schedule than your main filestorage | 00:38 |
| mcdonc | it bears noting that tiwula wants to reduce conflict errors because he has nontransactional code laying around which presumably does the wrong thing during a retry | 00:38 |
| mcdonc | (afaik, it's not a performance problem) | 00:39 |
| TresEquis | ah | 00:39 |
| TresEquis | in that case, tiwula could try just changing the session_data_manager to point at a non-temp_data locatoin | 00:40 |
| TresEquis | and put the session_data_container there | 00:40 |
| TresEquis | I would probably rewrite the non-TXN code, though ;) | 00:41 |
| mcdonc | yeah, although i think he wants to stovepipe things so that he has multiple session_data_manager objects | 00:41 |
| mcdonc | (each pointing at a separate data container) | 00:41 |
| mcdonc | but yeah, rewriting the non-txn code is sanest | 00:42 |
| mcdonc | http://repoze.org/tmdemo.html is the only thing i know that documents how one might do this, although it requires too enough context to pull out of repozedom | 00:44 |
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| planetzopebot | ZopeSkel 2.17 (PyPI recent updates) http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ZopeSkel/2.17 | 01:34 |
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| bitmonk | i'm trying to set up basic annotation to store latitude / longitude for geocoded addresses. my base content adapts, and i am able to set and retrieve latitude / longitude attributes on the annotation, but they aren't persisted. any idea why this would happen? | 04:12 |
| bitmonk | using an IObjectModified handler to set lat/long based on textual address | 04:13 |
| bitmonk | er IObjectModifiedEvent, that is | 04:13 |
| bitmonk | my event handler runs and logs the result of geocoding both directly from the json, as well as from my annotation object. | 04:16 |
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| deftunix | hi all, some one have try to build a web vnc viewer with zope? exist documents about it? | 13:01 |
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| MatthewWilkes | deftunix: You'd probably do that with java or flash on the client side | 13:12 |
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| deftunix | MatthewWilkes: ok, thanks | 13:22 |
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| chaoflow | MatthewWilkes: ! | 13:59 |
| chaoflow | MatthewWilkes: can you help with committer access to svn.zope.org - the committer agreement is filled out and I would send now to legal@zope.org | 14:00 |
| MatthewWilkes | chaoflow: I don't know the process very well, to be honest. I've only gone through it once | 14:00 |
| MatthewWilkes | well, twice. | 14:01 |
| MatthewWilkes | Just follow the instructions | 14:01 |
| chaoflow | MatthewWilkes: ah - sorry - just did - I was convinced I need a "supporter" | 14:05 |
| MatthewWilkes | I think you do | 14:11 |
| MatthewWilkes | Were you asking me? | 14:11 |
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| chaoflow | MatthewWilkes: yep - but it seems no supporter needed anymore - I just sent the form | 14:15 |
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| chaoflow | otherwise it would be great if you could support me | 14:15 |
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| MatthewWilkes | chaoflow: What form did you fill in? I just looked, section 2 is reference committer | 14:21 |
| chaoflow | MatthewWilkes: Committer Agreement | 14:22 |
| MatthewWilkes | chaoflow: at http://foundation.zope.org/agreements? | 14:23 |
| chaoflow | yep | 14:23 |
| chaoflow | I followed: http://docs.zope.org/developer/becoming-a-committer.html | 14:23 |
| MatthewWilkes | Sure, so that form has: 2. Reference committer. Please provide name and email address of an existing Committer who can vouch for you. | 14:24 |
| MatthewWilkes | So, yeah, feel free. I haven't committed much to Zope core recently, last thing was for 2.12.0. "Matthew Wilkes" <zopefoundation@matthewwilkes.name> | 14:24 |
| chaoflow | joj! - i took the first google hit, which is: http://foundation.zope.org/agreements/archive/archive/ZopeFoundation_Committer_Agreement.pdf | 14:25 |
| chaoflow | did not think that doubled archive is before the actual one | 14:25 |
| chaoflow | ok - thanks | 14:26 |
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| Theuni1 | howdi | 18:00 |
| Charlie_X | Hi | 18:00 |
| Charlie_X | It's the Charlie and Christian Show! | 18:00 |
| agroszer | no | 18:01 |
| agroszer | +1 | 18:01 |
| agroszer | hey | 18:01 |
| Theuni1 | oh, you made it :) | 18:01 |
| Charlie_X | ... and their sidekick AG! How are the teeth? | 18:01 |
| agroszer | no big issues | 18:01 |
| agroszer | drill, fill done | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | ok, so lets go | 18:02 |
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| Theuni1 | agroszer: did you receive the licenses yet? | 18:02 |
| agroszer | yes | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | excellent | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | who else was on that list? | 18:02 |
| agroszer | I could download a bunch of SW | 18:02 |
| Theuni1 | did they get theirs as well? | 18:02 |
| agroszer | Tres i smissing | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 18:03 |
| agroszer | I think Sidnei was in the group | 18:03 |
| agroszer | but no idea who else | 18:03 |
| Theuni1 | i thought there were like 4 or 5 people who raised their hand | 18:03 |
| agroszer | yes, something like that | 18:04 |
| agroszer | i just don't know who they are | 18:04 |
| Theuni1 | i'll make a call on the mailinglist | 18:04 |
| agroszer | k | 18:05 |
| agroszer | btw | 18:05 |
| agroszer | it's valid for a year | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | good to know | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | we have to go through renewal after that_ | 18:05 |
| Theuni1 | ? | 18:05 |
| agroszer | I guess | 18:05 |
| agroszer | unless the VS express works out | 18:05 |
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| agroszer | personally I don't really see why we asked for it, but if it's free... | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | which i hope, MSDN is really intended to allow us supporting 2.4 (and 2.5?) | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | the newer pythons should work fine with the express editions | 18:06 |
| Theuni1 | so the winegg builder and the setup are in the works, right? | 18:07 |
| agroszer | umm, it should work with mingw32 | 18:07 |
| agroszer | in fact mingw32 is 10 times easier to setup ;-) | 18:07 |
| agroszer | let's talk about this next week | 18:08 |
| agroszer | I hope I can finish the egg building till that | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | check | 18:08 |
| Theuni1 | it's supporting zope 2.7 then | 18:08 |
| agroszer | aham | 18:08 |
| agroszer | I'm not really insighted with zope 2.x | 18:09 |
| Theuni1 | argh sorry | 18:09 |
| Theuni1 | python 2.7 | 18:09 |
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| agroszer | I didn't include py 2.7 yet into the egg builder | 18:11 |
| agroszer | there's no pywin32 yet for it, etc | 18:11 |
| agroszer | we'll see... | 18:11 |
| agroszer | next topic? | 18:11 |
| Theuni1 | sorry, got distracted :) | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | egg builder isn't the primary issue | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | the larger one is getting all the buildbots set up to do it | 18:12 |
| Theuni1 | and then probably a concerted effort to fix issues | 18:12 |
| agroszer | buildslaves are the next on my list | 18:13 |
| Theuni1 | do you know how the ZTK holds up WRT to Python 2.7? | 18:13 |
| Charlie_X | agroszer: there is pywin32 for Python 2.7 | 18:13 |
| agroszer | no idea, but even better question: how does the ZTK with py2.7 on win :-) | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | i think if the tests "mostly pass" then we can go ahead and proclaim that we want to support it and ask the buildbot maintainers to run python 2.7 as well | 18:14 |
| Theuni1 | hanno raised it for zope 2.13 | 18:14 |
| agroszer | Charlie_X, the setuptools is missing, my bad | 18:15 |
| agroszer | Theuni1, sure we ought to aim for py 2.7 compatibility | 18:15 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: setuptools doesn't work for 2.7? | 18:16 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: +1 I've run buildouts of my sites with Py 2.7 with no problems. | 18:16 |
| agroszer | I guess just the -py2.7.exe installer is missing | 18:16 |
| agroszer | someone has to k.ck PJE | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: ok, so that basically means we have to decide its time, right? | 18:16 |
| Theuni1 | the small group of us can't do that, so i guess we need to bring this up on the mailinglist | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | does that include dropping support for 2.4? | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | (and we're talking about ZTK packages, right?) | 18:17 |
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| Charlie_X | Well, RestrictedPython needs to be done for 2.7 but, yes I think we just need to decide to do it. | 18:17 |
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| Theuni1 | that's a zope 2 issue | 18:17 |
| Theuni1 | i so much desire a global page for all of the zope.org projects to have a common baseline of agreements | 18:17 |
| agroszer | dropping support in ZTK riples then through the others too | 18:17 |
| agroszer | but I also don't mind skipping py2.4 | 18:18 |
| agroszer | it's ancient | 18:18 |
| Charlie_X | We have set an end of life for 2.4 and by implication 2.5 | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | i think the actual fuzziness currently comes from "what set of software do we talk about" | 18:18 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: do you know where we documented that? | 18:19 |
| Charlie_X | In one of our meetings. I think you weren't there. I'll check | 18:19 |
| Theuni1 | thanks | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | ok | 18:20 |
| Theuni1 | next topic | 18:20 |
| * agroszer just kicked the distutils-sig to do a py2.7 setuptools | 18:20 | |
| Theuni1 | tomorrow's a bug day | 18:20 |
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| Theuni1 | we had quite a set of subscribers for tomorrow | 18:20 |
| Charlie_X | I can't make it, unfortunately. | 18:21 |
| dataflake | can yoou repeat the URL? | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | dataflake: which one? | 18:21 |
| agroszer | ohh, hey Jens | 18:21 |
| dataflake | Theuni1: bug day signup or list | 18:21 |
| Theuni1 | sure | 18:21 |
| dataflake | hi adam :-) | 18:21 |
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| Theuni1 | http://www.doodle.com/nucv3bmt3ig4zd2c | 18:21 |
| agroszer | dataflake, I got distracted about the index page of download.zope.org | 18:21 |
| agroszer | maybe we can clear that here and now | 18:22 |
| dataflake | agroszer: it's there now, is that what you wanted? | 18:22 |
| agroszer | the point is that I wasn't the one who brought this up | 18:22 |
| agroszer | I was just the postman ;-) | 18:23 |
| dataflake | the other point is that it's not my site ;-) | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | glory :) | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | dataflake: you're kidnapping our talk about the bug day :) | 18:23 |
| * agroszer shuts up | 18:23 | |
| dataflake | Theuni1: sorry, go ahead :) | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | ok, so i'd like us to be able to look back on bug days and see where we're making progress | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | any ideas? | 18:23 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: i still need to deploy your script for the languishing bugs | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | do you think the API could help with getting information about what happened on a specific date? | 18:24 |
| dataflake | Theuni1: tag solved issues with a specific date? | 18:24 |
| Theuni1 | dataflake: i'm hoping for something that can extract data without having to manually tag stuff. i know myself that i forget about it. and it also is inconvenient for people who just come by once or twice. | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | if we could list all changes from a specific date without tagging that would be awesome | 18:25 |
| dataflake | ok | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | closed isn't necessarily the only thing that's interesting | 18:25 |
| agroszer | somethign like ohloh's timeline | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | triaging etc. could be as well | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | agroszer: yeah, or like redmines | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | s/redmines/redmine's/ | 18:25 |
| Theuni1 | i was thinking about just using the overview on the project gruop | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | and take a snapshot before/after | 18:26 |
| Theuni1 | but that's a bit ambiguous | 18:26 |
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| Theuni1 | maybe it's sufficient | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | oppinions? | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | like the numbers on the right of this page: | 18:27 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: Python < 2.5 will be dropped by ZTK 1.1 or 2010-12-31 at the latest http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100504.html | 18:27 |
| agroszer | if the result is a list ordered by date | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zopetoolkit | 18:27 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: thanks. cool. | 18:27 |
| agroszer | then it should work | 18:27 |
| dataflake | Theuni1: you would have to visit several projects and snapshot that page | 18:27 |
| dataflake | people work on stuff other than ZTK | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | yup | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | meh :) | 18:28 |
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| Theuni1 | another option would be to ask all the committers that participate in a bug day to send a short mail | 18:28 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni I don't think I understand your request for the script to change. | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | summarizing what they did | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: no script change requested, just information about the API inquired | 18:28 |
| dataflake | Theuni1: i wouldn't mind doing that | 18:28 |
| Theuni1 | getting human feedback might even be more valuable | 18:29 |
| dataflake | true | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | I think I'll just write a mail right now inviting for the bug day tomorrow and inviting to send a summary mail from everyone who participated | 18:29 |
| dataflake | good enough i'd say | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | we'll see how that works out | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | time's mostly up again | 18:29 |
| Theuni1 | dataflake, agroszer: if you want to talk about the index page again ... :) | 18:29 |
| dataflake | hehe | 18:30 |
| Charlie_X | I don't think you can query by date. | 18:30 |
| Theuni1 | Charlie_X: k. alright. | 18:30 |
| agroszer | I'm good with the index page | 18:30 |
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| dataflake | agroszer: cool. i can always put in something fancier (static!) if someone provides it | 18:31 |
| * agroszer is still not sure that I raised this issue | 18:31 | |
| * Charlie_X is sure agroszer did | 18:31 | |
| dataflake | agroszer emailed me abut it ;-) | 18:31 |
| agroszer | if someones not happy with it, he may talk | 18:31 |
| agroszer | jajaja | 18:31 |
| agroszer | guilty unless prooved innocent | 18:31 |
| dataflake | agroszer is guilty of not sending his foundation application, too ;-) | 18:32 |
| agroszer | jajaja | 18:32 |
| agroszer | gotta scan it | 18:32 |
| dataflake | i'm kidding, i was just wondering because you never replied to my email | 18:32 |
| dataflake | no hurry | 18:32 |
| Theuni1 | guilty unless proved very guilty | 18:32 |
| Charlie_X | guilty by public demand | 18:33 |
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| * Charlie_X notes that his DZUG application has never been acknowledged. | 18:33 | |
| Theuni1 | did you pay? | 18:33 |
| dataflake | Theuni1 does nothing without payment :-P | 18:34 |
| Charlie_X | Pretty sure I did. | 18:34 |
| * Theuni1 writes an invoice to the ZF for the weekly meetings | 18:34 | |
| dataflake | <g> | 18:34 |
| agroszer | lol | 18:34 |
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| agroszer | dataflake, you need all pages scanned? | 18:36 |
| dataflake | agroszer: yes please. make sure you write clearly so I can read it :-) | 18:36 |
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| agroszer | I forgot to fill the PDF | 18:37 |
| agroszer | I'll dump the details as text into the mail | 18:37 |
| agroszer | hey ccomb | 18:37 |
| ccomb | agroszer | 18:37 |
| dataflake | agroszer: you can fax to the ZF number if that's more convenient, but that's a US number | 18:37 |
| agroszer | I'll scan | 18:39 |
| dataflake | ok | 18:39 |
| Charlie_X | Theuni1: Maybe people could prefix commits with a bugday tag to help monitor stuff? | 18:39 |
| dataflake | Charlie_X: the commits are not so interesting. bug status changes or action on bugs is interesting. | 18:40 |
| agroszer | ccomb, could you check the KGS 3.4.1 buildslave | 18:40 |
| agroszer | something is wrong there as I noted per email | 18:40 |
| ccomb | agroszer: I'll try check that, I'm not available at all these days | 18:41 |
| ccomb | I've not even had time to check mail | 18:41 |
| agroszer | np | 18:41 |
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| agroszer | ccomb, I'm also rather busy these days | 18:42 |
| * Charlie_X is refreshingly consistently lazy | 18:42 | |
| dataflake | join the club | 18:43 |
| Charlie_X | Sounds like too much work | 18:44 |
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| Charlie_X | Sounds like we're done | 18:45 |
| agroszer | yup | 18:45 |
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| _mup_ | Bug #122260 was filed: Test system says "Too mant positional arguments" <test-system> <BlueBream:New> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <zope.testing:Fix Released> <Zope 3:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/122260> | 19:28 |
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| j-w | hi ccomb | 21:01 |
| ccomb | j-w hi | 21:01 |
| j-w | no hannosch yet | 21:01 |
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| ccomb | I'm reading the list, I'm only back on 3 june.... | 21:02 |
| ccomb | I've not even had time to work on my branch | 21:02 |
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| hannosch | hi there | 21:02 |
| j-w | aha hannosch | 21:02 |
| ccomb | hannosch: hi | 21:02 |
| j-w | hi | 21:03 |
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| hannosch | are the last meeting notes ok? - http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/meeting-20100518.html | 21:04 |
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| j-w | and these: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/meeting-20100601.html | 21:04 |
| * hannosch has unstable wifi - might drop out for short moments | 21:04 | |
| j-w | I forgot to add the latest notes to the index.rst | 21:05 |
| j-w | I'm doing so now | 21:05 |
| j-w | so they show up in the TOC | 21:05 |
| hannosch | ah, ok | 21:05 |
| j-w | you fixed typos I saw :) | 21:05 |
| hannosch | yep | 21:05 |
| j-w | and actually worked on ZTK docs | 21:05 |
| j-w | I only made a little progress on "under-review" packages | 21:06 |
| hannosch | I didn't do much for the last time, so I thought I had to do something this time :) | 21:06 |
| j-w | I just mailed you guys a short report on that | 21:06 |
| j-w | I could take notes now again if you want to | 21:06 |
| j-w | hopefully with less typos... | 21:06 |
| hannosch | j-w: please do, you are awesome :) | 21:06 |
| j-w | wait, let me take note ot *that* ;) | 21:07 |
| hannosch | ok, so meeting notes for "ZTK meeting - 2010-06-01" are ok with me | 21:07 |
| j-w | ok | 21:08 |
| hannosch | ccomb: you agree on the last notes? | 21:08 |
| ccomb | yes I do | 21:08 |
| j-w | where do we start | 21:08 |
| j-w | ccomb has not had the chance yet to work on the ztk "remove extra.cfg" | 21:09 |
| j-w | I made only little progress in reviewing "under-review" | 21:09 |
| hannosch | right. anything new on build slaves? | 21:09 |
| j-w | hannosch worked on the ztk documentation | 21:09 |
| j-w | not on the 64-bit front, no | 21:09 |
| j-w | the test-report of the other platforms are coming in | 21:10 |
| j-w | and I even see people responding to them | 21:10 |
| j-w | which is great | 21:10 |
| hannosch | right. I think the testing front is good and under control | 21:10 |
| j-w | agreed | 21:10 |
| hannosch | you guys had a chance to read http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/about/libraries.html ? | 21:10 |
| j-w | yes | 21:10 |
| j-w | I did | 21:11 |
| ccomb | reading | 21:11 |
| j-w | I didn't see anything suprising | 21:11 |
| j-w | to me it is fairly clear | 21:11 |
| hannosch | ok, but the two of us agreed before, so I'm more interested in ccomb's opinion ;) | 21:11 |
| j-w | right | 21:12 |
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| ccomb | look like what we agreed | 21:12 |
| hannosch | cool :) | 21:12 |
| hannosch | we can always refine it | 21:13 |
| hannosch | can we conclude this point and mark it as done? | 21:13 |
| j-w | done | 21:14 |
| ccomb | finished rread | 21:14 |
| ccomb | ok | 21:14 |
| * hannosch loves closing tasks :) | 21:14 | |
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| j-w | I can see two things we need to finish before we can think of a fist alpha: | 21:14 |
| j-w | 1) finish the review of the "under review" sections in ztk | 21:15 |
| j-w | 2) remove the "extras" | 21:15 |
| j-w | and then of course the tests should still pass on the platforms we want them to | 21:15 |
| hannosch | indeed. shall we talk about the under-review first? | 21:15 |
| j-w | do I miss anything here? | 21:15 |
| j-w | ok | 21:15 |
| j-w | as I mailed you guys, zope.file and zope.html seem both fixable but not very fundamental | 21:16 |
| hannosch | I'd agree with j-w on both zope.file and zope.html - they just happen to be named zope.* but aren't essential to the ZTK | 21:16 |
| j-w | ok, i'll try to remove them then | 21:16 |
| j-w | and see what breaks | 21:16 |
| j-w | I don't think grok depends on them either | 21:17 |
| j-w | does BB? | 21:17 |
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| ccomb | since there is no code in bb, there is no real hard dependencies | 21:17 |
| j-w | ok | 21:18 |
| j-w | I'll continue this review for the other packages | 21:18 |
| hannosch | ok, cool | 21:19 |
| hannosch | so what about ccomb's branch and the refactoring? anything we can do to help? | 21:19 |
| ccomb | I've not had time :( | 21:19 |
| j-w | can we help somehow? | 21:20 |
| ccomb | I needed just to change the lists in the cfg file | 21:20 |
| ccomb | you can just rename my branch and work on it if you want | 21:20 |
| ccomb | or copy it, as you like | 21:20 |
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| hannosch | well. when do you think you have time for it? | 21:20 |
| j-w | can't we work in the ztk trunk? | 21:20 |
| ccomb | we can but it might break some buildbots | 21:21 |
| j-w | hmm ,yeah | 21:21 |
| j-w | tue | 21:21 |
| j-w | *true | 21:21 |
| ccomb | I can find some time this WE | 21:21 |
| j-w | cool | 21:22 |
| hannosch | ok, that would be good | 21:22 |
| hannosch | if you mail us when it's done, we can both have a look and maybe one of us can merge it to trunk | 21:22 |
| * ccomb setting an alarm | 21:22 | |
| ccomb | ok | 21:22 |
| hannosch | I have time this weekend as well | 21:22 |
| j-w | my time is somewhat limited this week | 21:23 |
| j-w | but I think I can continue the review and have more results for next week's meeting | 21:24 |
| hannosch | no problem, so the plan is for ccomb to do the initial work and I take it and merge it to trunk | 21:24 |
| hannosch | j-w continues to do package reviews | 21:24 |
| j-w | nice | 21:24 |
| hannosch | sounds like we all have something to do :) | 21:24 |
| j-w | ;) | 21:24 |
| ccomb | and I also have a buildbot plugged on this branch | 21:24 |
| ccomb | supposed to try to do the automatic release | 21:25 |
| j-w | have we ever talked about a target date for an alpha? | 21:25 |
| hannosch | I thought asap - and when we are ready | 21:25 |
| j-w | ok | 21:25 |
| j-w | a little bit OT but are you guys coming to EP? | 21:26 |
| hannosch | I'm still not decided - might go there, but haven't booked anything yet | 21:26 |
| hannosch | so far the talks alone didn't sound all too exciting | 21:26 |
| ccomb | ep ? | 21:27 |
| j-w | EuroPython | 21:27 |
| hannosch | in birmingham again | 21:27 |
| ccomb | ah ok | 21:27 |
| ccomb | not planned | 21:27 |
| j-w | I would love to have some concrete ztk results before EP | 21:28 |
| hannosch | j-w: so are you going to be there? | 21:28 |
| j-w | I realise that's really up to us of course | 21:28 |
| j-w | hannosch: yes I will | 21:28 |
| j-w | I didn't make it last year | 21:28 |
| hannosch | ah ok. that gives me a reason to go too :) | 21:28 |
| j-w | but wanted to go to an EP again | 21:28 |
| j-w | nice :-) | 21:28 |
| j-w | janjaap will be there too | 21:28 |
| j-w | and we're dragging another collegue there as well :) | 21:28 |
| j-w | uhm, do we have points left? | 21:29 |
| j-w | beside planning the next meeting? | 21:29 |
| hannosch | don't think so | 21:29 |
| hannosch | if you guys haven't seen, I have posted some plans for the next Zope 2 release - based on a ZTK release I hope | 21:30 |
| ccomb | I'm trying to convince myself to go to EP | 21:30 |
| j-w | I did read them indeed | 21:30 |
| ccomb | I probably can | 21:30 |
| hannosch | alpha is next week, beta in september and final sometime october or so | 21:30 |
| j-w | it looked like the plans landed quite well, right? | 21:30 |
| j-w | how's that release "depending" on a ztk release? | 21:30 |
| ccomb | hannosch: do you also have any approximative date for plone4? | 21:30 |
| hannosch | j-w: I hope I can have some direct "extends =" in there | 21:31 |
| j-w | using a specific revision in the repo? | 21:31 |
| j-w | like grok? | 21:31 |
| hannosch | and say Zope 2.13 depends on ZTK 1.0 conceptually | 21:31 |
| j-w | ok, cool | 21:32 |
| ccomb | ok it would be great | 21:32 |
| j-w | I definitely want a ztk before september ;) | 21:32 |
| hannosch | right now it's still its own copy of the versions.cfg | 21:32 |
| j-w | right | 21:32 |
| hannosch | once the ccomb-branch lands, I'll change that | 21:32 |
| j-w | cool | 21:32 |
| hannosch | ccomb: Plone 4 is late late beta. I'd expect a final sometime in the summer | 21:33 |
| ccomb | cool | 21:33 |
| hannosch | that will use Zope 2.12.x and not the ZTK directly | 21:33 |
| j-w | I'll make note of the zope2 release plans and its relation to the ztk in the minutes | 21:33 |
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| hannosch | cool. any plans from your sides for releases in the next few months? | 21:33 |
| hannosch | I'm not following the grok-dev and bb-dev lists, so I have no clue :) | 21:34 |
| j-w | the grok-1.1.1 release went quite well | 21:34 |
| j-w | next up is 1.2 work | 21:34 |
| j-w | which will not be small | 21:35 |
| j-w | and we need some more manpower there | 21:35 |
| hannosch | ok. that is more work on the "less zope.app" stuff, right? | 21:35 |
| j-w | yes | 21:35 |
| j-w | we got a long way | 21:35 |
| ccomb | hopefully bb can be released *after* ztk, but it depends on baijum's roadmap | 21:36 |
| j-w | most of the work is migrating tests based on zope.app.testing.functional and zope.app.zcml files | 21:36 |
| hannosch | ok, so do you want to release once there's no zope.app left or time-based? as in: in 6 months? | 21:36 |
| ccomb | hannosch: for the major version? | 21:36 |
| ccomb | 1.1? | 21:36 |
| hannosch | that was meant for j-w | 21:36 |
| hannosch | sorry :) | 21:36 |
| ccomb | ah grok | 21:36 |
| ccomb | k | 21:36 |
| j-w | it is a bit of a hybrid - we do not want to delay for too long just waiting for zope.app to disappear | 21:36 |
| j-w | so there could very well be a 1.2 that still has some remnants left | 21:37 |
| j-w | introducing zope.app.wsgi.testlayer's features in tests for example | 21:37 |
| hannosch | j-w: ok. sounds logical. at some point it's going to be "good enough" and a release will make sense | 21:37 |
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| j-w | but there's also grok-feature that live on branches that need to be merged | 21:37 |
| j-w | a good-enough release indeed :) | 21:38 |
| hannosch | ok | 21:38 |
| j-w | there's _a lot of work_ to be done still | 21:38 |
| j-w | the grok community should try another dedicated grok sprint... | 21:38 |
| j-w | anyway | 21:38 |
| hannosch | ccomb: could you try to find out what BB's roadmap is like? just a rough idea about when the 1.0 final is planned? | 21:38 |
| j-w | shall we plan the next meeting? next week? | 21:39 |
| hannosch | yep. planning next week sounds good | 21:39 |
| ccomb | http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/OnePointZero | 21:39 |
| ccomb | mmmh, looks like bb should already be released :P | 21:40 |
| hannosch | ccomb: yeah, you are still at beta 1 according to the homepage | 21:40 |
| ccomb | b1 yes | 21:41 |
| j-w | would 06/22 20:00 sound ok to you? | 21:41 |
| hannosch | j-w: works for me | 21:41 |
| ccomb | a1 ? | 21:41 |
| j-w | or rather just before the weekly zope-dev meeting? | 21:41 |
| ccomb | oh meeting | 21:41 |
| ccomb | ok | 21:41 |
| ccomb | not available on 21 to 24 | 21:42 |
| j-w | ok | 21:42 |
| hannosch | what about Friday 25? | 21:42 |
| j-w | 20:00 would work on friday | 21:42 |
| ccomb | I'm ok on 25 but before 18:00 | 21:43 |
| ccomb | in the morning? | 21:43 |
| hannosch | I'm flexible. only 12:30 - 13:30 is bad | 21:43 |
| j-w | I usually have some time in the morning on fridays, but I cannot be very excact about a time... | 21:44 |
| j-w | and monday 21? | 21:44 |
| ccomb | not me | 21:44 |
| j-w | ah, sorry yes | 21:44 |
| ccomb | actually it depends if I'm in a hotel with wifi | 21:45 |
| ccomb | I don't know yet | 21:45 |
| hannosch | I can arrange time at almost all days and all times, so the two of you need to find a spot :) | 21:45 |
| j-w | ok, proposal | 21:45 |
| j-w | we keep each other updated about progress | 21:46 |
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| j-w | and see if we can arrange for a meeting next week depending on wifi in the hotel of ccomd | 21:46 |
| j-w | *ccomb | 21:46 |
| hannosch | fine with me | 21:46 |
| ccomb | ok, I tell you about the branch update on saturday | 21:46 |
| j-w | else we keep each other posted by mail and meet up on tue 29 | 21:46 |
| j-w | ok | 21:47 |
| hannosch | ok! | 21:47 |
| ccomb | then I'll see on monday evening if I can connect | 21:47 |
| j-w | ok! | 21:47 |
| j-w | thanks guys! | 21:47 |
| hannosch | great, thanks much! | 21:47 |
| ccomb | thanks too, bye! | 21:48 |
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