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| tralala | I get this error ValueError: "unsupported format character '(' (0x28) at index 3" from this format string '%15(refundid)s %20(contractid)d %40(account)s % 75.2(amount)f' | 10:31 |
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| betabug | hey tralala! | 10:31 |
| betabug | you were looking for me? | 10:31 |
| tralala | the code is running from an external method | 10:32 |
| tralala | betabug: hey there. It's been quite a while. | 10:32 |
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| betabug | yeah! how's life? | 10:33 |
| betabug | still so busy? | 10:33 |
| tralala | zope 2.12 and python 2.4 | 10:33 |
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| tralala | the same code works from inside the python (zopectl debug) but not from the external method | 10:34 |
| betabug | if you simplify it, does it work? | 10:35 |
| tralala | is there a way to fix it or it has to do with security restrictions? | 10:35 |
| betabug | in an external method there should be no security restrictions | 10:35 |
| d2m | i have never seen anything between % and () in formatting strings before | 10:37 |
| tralala | d2m: do you reffer to the blank after the last %? It works fine in python | 10:39 |
| d2m | no, i think %15(...)s should be %(..)s15 | 10:39 |
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| tralala | d2m: you mean %(...)15s? 15 in justification, not literal | 10:43 |
| tralala | in=is | 10:44 |
| d2m | http://docs.python.org/release/2.4/lib/typesseq-strings.html | 10:44 |
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| tralala | d2m: okay, thanks. I'm changing the string now | 10:47 |
| tralala | d2m: yes, this was it. Thanks a lot! I wonder how I got the string messed up, given that I have it the right way in my unit tests... | 10:53 |
| bigkevmcd | are your tests actually passing? | 10:55 |
| tralala | Yes, but they had the correct format string | 10:56 |
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| tralala | in an external method than creates a persistant object, do I need explicit commit or zodb will take care of it? | 11:05 |
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| betabug | zope should take care of it | 11:06 |
| betabug | but you really should make it into a zope product at this point | 11:06 |
| betabug | external methods are just for small hacks | 11:06 |
| tralala | betabug: I'm not introducing a new persistent object, just generating an ZReST report | 11:07 |
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| betabug | yeah | 11:07 |
| betabug | you won't need a commit | 11:07 |
| betabug | but I'd use external methods only for the smallest of tasks | 11:07 |
| tralala | although I can benefit from a product I can't afford the effort at this point. And the task in really small and easily done with an external method | 11:09 |
| kosh | betabug: I tend to use external methods for single functions or sometimes 2 to 3 functions that won't exist in the database | 11:09 |
| kosh | betabug: like I have one for parsing a csv file so I did not have to expose the csv module, just had it a string and it hands a list of lists back that kind of thing | 11:09 |
| kosh | tralala: don't run zope 2.12 on python 2.4, use zope 2.12 with python 2.6 | 11:10 |
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| betabug | yeah, for really small stuff an external method might be acceptable | 11:11 |
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| kosh | a csv parsing function or csv creation function is only about 3 lines of code so trivial as an external method | 11:12 |
| tralala | kosh: my sad story is that I run it on windows and I have to interface sql server through ado | 11:12 |
| kosh | I don't think that zope 2.12 has really been tested for python 2.4 | 11:13 |
| kosh | I thought the min python required version was 2.5 and that was not suggested | 11:13 |
| kosh | if you want to use python 2.4 you should use zope 2.11 max | 11:13 |
| tralala | ops sorry | 11:13 |
| tralala | I have 2.11 | 11:13 |
| tralala | anyway I got what the installer delivered | 11:13 |
| * kosh sets tralala on fire and hands out marshmallows | 11:14 | |
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| kosh | betabug: so what evil are you up to? | 11:15 |
| betabug | isn't being in the office evil enough? | 11:15 |
| Theuni1 | depends | 11:15 |
| tralala | I would love to swich it to linux, but I'm affraid I can't excuse the efford for the time being | 11:15 |
| Theuni1 | betabug: if your office is with the salvation army then there's definitely room for improving the evilness | 11:16 |
| betabug | haha | 11:17 |
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| gypsymauro | hi | 11:18 |
| betabug | lo | 11:18 |
| gypsymauro | suppose I've a webservice in my lan, there is a way from zope to access to this webservice? or I've to write an external method? | 11:19 |
| bigkevmcd | <tralala> Yes, but they had the correct format string <- that means you don't have test coverage | 11:19 |
| betabug | gypsymauro: "external methods" are "from zope" too | 11:19 |
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| gypsymauro | betabug: I didn't understand, I need to connec to a webservice (not zope) from zope using soap or xmlrpc, there is a builtin way to connect or I need to write myself? | 11:24 |
| betabug | there are python xmlrpc client modules that you can use | 11:26 |
| betabug | it's quite easy | 11:26 |
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| kosh | betabug: RewriteRule \.(asp|aspx|php|jsp)$ - [F,L] that rule seems to work fairly well so far | 11:28 |
| betabug | gypsymauro: look for the python xmlrpclib module | 11:28 |
| kosh | betabug: I will add other stuff to it later | 11:28 |
| kosh | but it does block out a LOT of garbage | 11:28 |
| betabug | what's "F"? | 11:28 |
| kosh | forbidden | 11:28 |
| betabug | ah, cool | 11:28 |
| kosh | maybe you could put that on the witch | 11:31 |
| betabug | gypsymauro: I have some sample code, but in my setup on both "sides" there is zope running | 11:32 |
| kosh | that will block a LOT of attacks against zope and really clean up the error log | 11:32 |
| betabug | so I don't know how well it would adapt | 11:32 |
| betabug | kosh: it sure will stop a lot of crap before it even reaches zope | 11:32 |
| gypsymauro | betabug: and you create a product to use that webservices? I mean there is not a zope type for webservice | 11:34 |
| betabug | no, there is no built in zope type | 11:34 |
| betabug | I have all my code in zope products anyway | 11:35 |
| betabug | since I have a life too | 11:35 |
| gypsymauro | :) | 11:35 |
| tralala | bigkevmcd: yes, it does. I only have unit tests and the report formatting is decoupled from zope so I test it with a mock object. I lack functional tests to cover the intergation part. | 11:36 |
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| gypsymauro | betabug: it's better to use soap or xmlrpc? | 11:39 |
| betabug | gypsymauro: http://paste.lisp.org/+2GZF | 11:40 |
| betabug | I use xmlrpc, because I use zope both as client and server... and zope "includes" the xmlrpc server automatically | 11:40 |
| betabug | in my poasted example, "timers_time_daterange" is a method on the server | 11:41 |
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| betabug | server_url is obviously the base URL of the server, where all the interesting methods are | 11:42 |
| betabug | so you see it's easy | 11:42 |
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| betabug | I'm logging any errors, to make finding problems easier | 11:42 |
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| betabug | the password for the server is encoded in the URL... it's safer than it sounds, since python "intercepts" that and transmits them slighty more safe | 11:44 |
| betabug | so somewhere I have a line like that: server_url = protocol+'://'+user+':'+passw+'@'+ server+':'+port+'/'+url | 11:45 |
| gypsymauro | betabug: it's possible to use https too? | 11:45 |
| betabug | yes, that's what I'm using | 11:46 |
| gypsymauro | tanx betabug | 11:53 |
| kosh | betabug: I wonder what other extensions I should add to that list later guess I will find out | 11:53 |
| betabug | no problem | 11:53 |
| betabug | kosh: yeah, just look through the logs from time to time | 11:54 |
| kosh | easiest is check the error_log | 11:54 |
| kosh | because that will be stuff that made it through | 11:54 |
| kosh | betabug: it really is a pretty good idea as a default rewriterule to use with zope since that will block a lot of garbage | 11:58 |
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| gypsymauro | betabug: sorry, I'm stressing you but tell me if it's a good design: I've a website, and I've a db on the lan, I want to make some query on the internal db from the website, but 'cause there will be some "sensible" data on the db, I want to add a secure layer between, so I'm considering to implement a xmlrpc webservice that does 'secure queries' and then call methods from website, it's a good design or I'm just shooting to my ...? :) | 12:00 |
| betabug | hmmm | 12:01 |
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| betabug | it all depends on how much better you can secure the xmlrpc webservice than you can secure zope | 12:01 |
| gypsymauro | betabug: well for example if someone can enter in my ZMI can see the user and password of the db connections, with an xmlrpc layer the cracker eventually can see the username and password of the webservice | 12:05 |
| betabug | yeah | 12:05 |
| betabug | but how much chance is it with a well secured zope that they will enter the ZMI? | 12:05 |
| tralala | how do I redirect from external method? | 12:05 |
| betabug | zope has quite a good security track record [knocks on wood] | 12:05 |
| betabug | tralala: you have passed "context" to your method as an argument? | 12:06 |
| betabug | so you return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(url) | 12:06 |
| tralala | the method is defined as def m(self). I use self as a folder object. Is it a context? | 12:07 |
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| betabug | hmmm, it's been some time since using external methods :-) | 12:08 |
| tralala | also I want to redirect to another zope object in the same folder, will object.id do as a url@ | 12:08 |
| tralala | ? | 12:08 |
| betabug | maybe you have to put './' in front | 12:09 |
| betabug | but it might do | 12:09 |
| tralala | I'm going to give it a try | 12:09 |
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| tralala | betabug: works great, thanks! | 12:14 |
| betabug | cool | 12:14 |
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| CIA-7 | janjaapdriessen * r117384 /Sandbox/janjaapdriessen/buildbot/buildout.cfg: the --distribute option is not available in all versions of bootstrap.py, so stick with setuptools. | 14:01 |
| CIA-7 | janjaapdriessen * r117385 /grokcore.security/branches/ (1.2 1.2/bootstrap.py): inlined zc.buildout 1.4.1 bootstrap.py | 14:01 |
| janjaapdriessen | agroszer: Are we going to support the ZTK on python2.7 on windows? If so, could you tweak the winbot to release 2.7 bdists of the packages with c-extensions? If not, I will remove them from the buildbot. | 14:08 |
| agroszer | hi janjaapdriessen | 14:08 |
| agroszer | I think ZTK after 1.0 should support python 2.7 | 14:09 |
| agroszer | so I got to tweak winbot | 14:09 |
| janjaapdriessen | Ok cool. I will not adjust the buildbot then. | 14:10 |
| agroszer | gonna do that soonish | 14:10 |
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| mugwort13 | Hi all, I have been reading about zope and considering it as a framework for a few sites I am building. I have read some mixed opinions about zope's default security. Compared to other frameworks, how secure is zope? (I realize that standard server setups are not flaws in zope, - php.ini, httpd.conf, firewall,etc. are the admin's task to setup) | 17:27 |
| betabug | mugwort13: what "mixed opinions" have you read? I've never seen any bad review of zope security | 17:28 |
| betabug | can you give me a link? | 17:28 |
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| betabug | also, since this is 2010, which kind of zope are you considering? Zope 2? Grok? BlueBream (formerly Zope 3)? Repoze.BFG? | 17:29 |
| betabug | (yeah, it's been a sport to make new stuff it seems) | 17:30 |
| MrWu | did I miss something? | 17:30 |
| MrWu | ;) | 17:30 |
| betabug | hey MrWu | 17:30 |
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| mugwort13 | The version I was looking is 2.10.5 (only because that is the latest version in the openbsd repo, and as far as site, I will have find them again. .... so let me look | 17:36 |
| betabug | ok, that is Zope 2 | 17:36 |
| betabug | now what security concerns did you talk about? | 17:36 |
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| betabug | the newest of the Zope 2 series is 2.12 | 17:37 |
| MrWu | yes | 17:41 |
| MrWu | and the latest version of the 2.10.x branch is 2.10.11 (IIRC) | 17:42 |
| * mgedmin would not start a new project based on Zope these days | 17:44 | |
| mugwort13 | ...funny, my google search now is only showing security fixes in zope, that's reassuring. | 17:44 |
| betabug | mugwort13: pretty old ones probably too | 17:44 |
| betabug | mgedmin: few people do, especially few newcomers it seems | 17:45 |
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| mugwort13 | mgedmin: Could you please explain why not? I was researching secure cms systems and stumble on zope + plone, it sounds very promising to me. I need something as close to un-hackable as I can get. | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | plone is probably worth a look, I assumed you were talking pure Zope 2 | 17:48 |
| mugwort13 | oh, I see | 17:49 |
| betabug | well, I consider pure Zope 2 pretty good | 17:49 |
| betabug | but newcomers consider it old fashioned and therefore cumbersome to build stuff | 17:50 |
| betabug | new frameworks tend to have stuff that does more work for the programmer "out of the box" | 17:50 |
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| MrWu | well, if mugwort13 needs something "as close to un-hackable as I can get" | 17:52 |
| * mgedmin also tends to think about web applications and forget about CMSes | 17:52 | |
| MrWu | I would recommend you to write plain html files | 17:52 |
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| MrWu | and serve them using openbsd's chroot apache | 17:52 |
| MrWu | and beware of the javascript! | 17:52 |
| MrWu | ;D | 17:52 |
| MatthewWilkes | mugwort13: Plone and Zope's security records are very good. Of course we do get the occasional problem reported, but we take it seriously and release fixes fast. | 17:54 |
| MatthewWilkes | mugwort13: We always register CVEs too, so you can just search through to see how many we've had in comparison to other systems | 17:54 |
| MrWu | yep | 17:55 |
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| MrWu | plone is much better in that aspect than the well-known ones (drupal, joomla, mambo, etc) | 17:55 |
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| mgedmin | the biggest security issue I've encountered with Zope was an unprotected web form for sending email | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | (it had the recipient address hardcoded, so all the spam went directly to me) | 18:01 |
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| runyaga | how do you get zope.org svn credentials again? | 18:02 |
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| mugwort13 | well, on Sans.org, doing a search for zope or plone brings up almost no results. That is very good. A search on .nvd.nist.gov, only gives about 8 result over the past 3 years. That's very good too. | 18:02 |
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| runyaga | yes | 18:03 |
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| mugwort13 | Thanks all | 18:06 |
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| CIA-7 | adamg * r117386 zope.wineggbuilder/rackspace.ini: do eggs for py2.7 | 18:34 |
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| janjaapdriessen | agroszer: cool! | 19:07 |
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| mgedmin | oh, buildbot, ... | 19:12 |
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| CIA-7 | janjaapdriessen * r117387 grokproject/ (/bootstrap.py .): Inlining bootstrap.py | 19:19 |
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| CIA-7 | jim * r117388 ZODB/ (HISTORY.txt src/CHANGES.txt): | 20:33 |
| CIA-7 | Updated change logs in preparation for 3.10.0 release: | 20:33 |
| CIA-7 | - Moved 3.9 changes to HISTORY.txt. | 20:33 |
| CIA-7 | - Consolidated 3.10 pre-release entries. | 20:33 |
| CIA-7 | - Removed 3.10 (bug fix) entries for fixes that were in 3.9, so the | 20:33 |
| CIA-7 | 3.10 changes are from 3.9. | 20:33 |
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| CIA-7 | jim * r117389 ZODB/setup.py: Added missing framework for ZODB. | 21:38 |
| CIA-7 | jim * r117390 /ZODB/branches/3.10: release branch | 21:38 |
| CIA-7 | jim * r117391 ZODB/setup.py: Now that there's a 3.10 release branch... | 21:38 |
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| CIA-7 | jim 3.10.0 * r117393 ZODB/setup.py: *** empty log message *** | 21:38 |
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