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| sfulmer | greeting zopistas :) | 00:09 |
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| sfulmer | is https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/ the correct place to report a bug in Zope documentation (eg in http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zdgbook/) | 00:09 |
| sfulmer | ? | 00:09 |
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| kwuxalot | hm, having some issues with ZODB. I'm opening two connections and experimenting with appending an element to a PersistentList with both connections | 03:00 |
| kwuxalot | when I commit both, I only see one appended element | 03:00 |
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| RichardBarrell | You're aliasing the same object via both connections on purpose? | 03:11 |
| RichardBarrell | Shouldn't you get ConflictErrors when you try to commit the second transaction? | 03:12 |
| RichardBarrell | Oh, also, FileStorage isn't designed for multiple concurrent usage. Use Zeo if you want multiple threads or processes to be able to connect to a single FileStorage backend. | 03:12 |
| hever | How can I add "expires" headers to the plone/zope http response? | 03:13 |
| RichardBarrell | Oh, I was thinking of multiple DB objects, not multiple Connection objects. Sorry. | 03:13 |
| RichardBarrell | hever: request.RESPONSE.setHeader("Expires","") | 03:14 |
| hever | yes I read that, but where? (And it depends on the type, where should I set this for binary files?) | 03:15 |
| RichardBarrell | You can set that any time you like before the BrowserView returns. | 03:16 |
| RichardBarrell | Oh hang on, are you just running a Plone site rather than actually writing custom code for it? In that case, the easiest way that I know of to munge headers is in Apache, ProxyPass'ing or RewriteRule [P]'ing to Zope. I wouldn't be surprised if there were code in Plone itself for setting Max-Age and Expires in some sane fashion, but I don't know of it if there is any. | 03:18 |
| hever | Yes I'm just running plone | 03:19 |
| kwuxalot | RichardBarrell: isn't it fine as long as you have one connection per thread, and just one process? | 03:19 |
| hever | I'm using a reverse proxy before it | 03:19 |
| RichardBarrell | hever: Behind Apache? That's the easiest place to munge headers - <LocationMatch> and ExpiresByType are moderately wonderful. | 03:20 |
| hever | No squid. | 03:20 |
| RichardBarrell | kwuxalot: I believe that that's the way Zope itself does it. But didn't you get a ConflictError when you tried to commit the second transaction? o_O | 03:21 |
| hever | I think setting this headers in zope/plone is the best way. | 03:21 |
| RichardBarrell | Probably. | 03:22 |
| kwuxalot | RichardBarrell: no conflict error, probably wasn't doing things correctly | 03:22 |
| hever | (aah there was a "global_cache_settings" file I could customize, very helpful!) | 03:24 |
| RichardBarrell | kwuxalot: or did you append the same element to both lists? I'm not sure whether PersistentList has a ConflictResolver, or how it behaves. | 03:31 |
| RichardBarrell | hever: oh, good. Sorry for giving an insane answer; I have a crazy perspective because I use Zope entirely as an application server rather than a CMS. | 03:32 |
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| xitrium | Anyone have any idea how ZODB works without asyncore? like the whole connection.sync() | 05:39 |
| xitrium | thing | 05:39 |
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| CIA-77 | mauritsvanrees * r118292 z3c.recipe.usercrontab/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 1.1 | 10:35 |
| CIA-77 | mauritsvanrees * r118293 /z3c.recipe.usercrontab/tags/1.1: Tagging 1.1 | 10:35 |
| CIA-77 | mauritsvanrees * r118294 z3c.recipe.usercrontab/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 1.2 | 10:35 |
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| planetzopebot | repoze.bfg is now Pyramid (plope) http://plope.com/bfg-becomes-pyramid | 12:04 |
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| planetzopebot | Pylons and BFG, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g (Chatterbox, Reloaded) http://pauleveritt.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/pylons-and-bfg-sitting-in-a-tree-k-i-s-s-i-n-g/ | 15:04 |
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| markvandenborre | I'm looking for a public repository for Products.ZMySQLDA | 15:12 |
| markvandenborre | but the only thing I can find so far is http://mysql-python.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mysql-python/tags/ (referenced from the pypi page), and that code is 4 years and a major version older than what I need access to | 15:13 |
| markvandenborre | any hints? | 15:13 |
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| CIA-77 | jinty jinty-mem * r118295 zope.interface/src/zope/interface/interface.py: Improve CPU performance of previous memory optimization | 15:33 |
| CIA-77 | jinty jinty-mem * r118296 zope.interface/src/zope/interface/interface.py: oops | 15:33 |
| betabug | 4 years old isn't too bad :-) | 15:37 |
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| planetzopebot | I like jQuery UI (Chatterbox, Reloaded) http://pauleveritt.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/i-like-jquery-ui/ | 16:04 |
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| Charlie_X | Anyone around to report on the Plone conference? | 17:07 |
| betabug | wouldn't that be in #plone? | 17:07 |
| Charlie_X | Not necessarily. Scheduled for today's Zope dev meeting. | 17:08 |
| betabug | ah | 17:08 |
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| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118297 gocept.selenium/ztk.cfg: update to latest ztk release | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118298 gocept.selenium/src/gocept/selenium/static/__init__.py: Add comment about giving up the socket | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118299 gocept.selenium/src/gocept/selenium/base.py: Pick up environment variables in order to locate the selenium server, local application, browser and speed | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118300 gocept.selenium/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gocept.selenium.wsgi allows you to plug in a wsgi app for testing | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118301 gocept.selenium/ (6 files in 3 dirs): gocept.selenium.grok builds on gocept.selenium.wsgi to add support for testing grok apps | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118302 gocept.selenium/static.cfg: ignore wsgi and grok when looking for tests | 17:47 |
| CIA-77 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-wsgi * r118303 gocept.selenium/setup.py: Add gocept.selenium.grok dependencies to setup.py | 17:47 |
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| CIA-77 | jinty jinty-mem * r118304 zope.interface/src/zope/interface/interface.py: Slightly faster, thanks Wichert | 18:02 |
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| hariom | How to assign default value to a variable in zsql file? I want to make sure that if a variable value is not passed in zsql script, it takes default value. How to do that? | 19:40 |
| hariom | I am using <dtml-comment> arguments: ... </dtml-comment> | 19:40 |
| Charlie_X | as the arguments are passed just as in python you just user arg=default | 19:42 |
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| hariom | Charlie_X: is it something like <dtml-comment> arguments: firstname='My Name' surname middlename</dtml-comment> | 19:43 |
| Charlie_X | Yep | 19:44 |
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| hariom | ok, trying this out | 19:44 |
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| hannosch | ccomb, j-w_: good evening :) | 21:54 |
| j-w_ | hi hannosch, ccomb | 21:54 |
| hannosch | j-w_: congrats on the Grok 1.2 release and a fun sprint ;) | 21:54 |
| j-w_ | hannosch: thanks! | 21:55 |
| * hannosch is still trying to catch up a bit | 21:55 | |
| j-w_ | 1.2 took quite some polishing work | 21:55 |
| j-w_ | but it was a relief getting it out the door | 21:55 |
| ccomb | hannosch: j-w_ hi | 21:55 |
| j-w_ | we're now virtually zope.app free! :-) | 21:55 |
| hannosch | j-w_: I read some mails about install problems? is that zc.buildout 1.5? | 21:56 |
| j-w_ | hannosch: you settled a bit in your new home? | 21:56 |
| j-w_ | hannosch: yes, well, it is not completely clear | 21:56 |
| j-w_ | it's also to do somehow with setuptools and how it got installed | 21:56 |
| hannosch | j-w_: I did. and now I'm actually staying a bit more in Berlin. Plone conference is over and not all too much travel for the rest of the year | 21:56 |
| j-w_ | when people tried the grokproject tool with the --use-distribute=true option, all reported succes, so.... | 21:57 |
| hannosch | aha. so distribute weirdness in addition to buildout. that's no fun | 21:58 |
| j-w_ | no, I mean *with* distribute all seemed OK | 21:58 |
| j-w_ | I asked people on the ml to try with distribute and then there were not issues apparently | 21:58 |
| j-w_ | so, maybe grok should somehow switch completely to distribute, dunno yet | 21:59 |
| * ccomb thinks so | 21:59 | |
| ccomb | until we switch to disutils2 ... :-P | 21:59 |
| hannosch | we did that for Plone. setuptools is just not maintained enough | 21:59 |
| j-w_ | and there're some issues where some components that used to be configured thru for example z.a.zcmlfiles now are not configured | 21:59 |
| j-w_ | and have to be included somehow explicitely | 21:59 |
| j-w_ | but actually, all things considered, not a bad release for such a rather big change | 22:00 |
| hannosch | cool | 22:00 |
| hannosch | ccomb: what happened to bluebream? | 22:00 |
| j-w_ | and now we did so much during the sprint, we can almost go for a 1.2 ;) | 22:00 |
| hannosch | I've seen some beta4 in August and nothing since | 22:00 |
| j-w_ | 1.3 that is | 22:00 |
| ccomb | hannosch: not a lot of things | 22:01 |
| ccomb | we just have to release 1.0 | 22:01 |
| ccomb | but no one seems to have the time | 22:01 |
| hannosch | ah, the dreaded 1.0 - took Grok three years to do it ;) | 22:01 |
| * j-w_ puts fingers in ears - *la la la la la* | 22:02 | |
| ccomb | but I've successfully ported a z3 app to bluebream 1.0 with ZTK 1.0 | 22:02 |
| j-w_ | cool | 22:02 |
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| ccomb | what z.a package currently remain? | 22:03 |
| j-w | for grok you mean? | 22:03 |
| ccomb | ztk | 22:03 |
| j-w | of for the ztk? | 22:03 |
| hannosch | none for Zope2 :) | 22:03 |
| j-w | right | 22:03 |
| * j-w checks zopetoolkit files | 22:03 | |
| RichardBarrell | hannosch: Grok are still racing ahead of, say, OpenSSL. :) | 22:03 |
| ccomb | I have j-w concrete questions here | 22:05 |
| ccomb | 1) deprecate zope.app.authentication and update to zope.pluggable 1.1.0? | 22:05 |
| j-w | that was one of the "now need to explicitely cofigure things" packages | 22:05 |
| hannosch | do whatever you like on that one. Zope2 uses neither of those | 22:05 |
| j-w | but it is not that problematic | 22:05 |
| j-w | grok is over to zope.pluggableauth | 22:06 |
| j-w | so, it can be deprecated if you ask me | 22:06 |
| j-w | and BB? | 22:06 |
| ccomb | deprecating is no pb for bb | 22:06 |
| j-w | ok! | 22:06 |
| hannosch | j-w: is there *any* zope.app package left in Grok? | 22:06 |
| j-w | yes, a few | 22:06 |
| ccomb | zope.pluggable is in the ztk? | 22:07 |
| hannosch | zope.pluggableauth is | 22:07 |
| ccomb | ok | 22:07 |
| j-w | yes | 22:07 |
| ccomb | 2) how's the python-2.7 support? | 22:07 |
| hannosch | we only have some zope.proxy failing tests IIRC | 22:07 |
| j-w | and I updated it to the latests release that obsoletes zope.app.authentication | 22:07 |
| j-w | hannosch: janjaap talked to you about that right? | 22:07 |
| hannosch | yes. and I refused to debug them ;) | 22:08 |
| hannosch | it's some scary weakref stuff | 22:08 |
| ccomb | so ztk 1.1 is supposed to work on py2.7? | 22:08 |
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| j-w | I hope so | 22:08 |
| hannosch | ccomb: it is | 22:08 |
| j-w | yes | 22:09 |
| ccomb | ok, so I'm pulling the last concrete question | 22:09 |
| ccomb | 6) we're about to drop python 2.4 support, right? So we can update ZODB? | 22:09 |
| hannosch | ccomb: yes | 22:09 |
| ccomb | 3.10? | 22:09 |
| hannosch | yes | 22:09 |
| ccomb | great | 22:09 |
| hannosch | we should update ztk trunk to the latest of most packages | 22:09 |
| ccomb | ok | 22:09 |
| hannosch | like zope.testing 3.10 / zope.testrunner 4.0 | 22:09 |
| ccomb | back to 3) update to buildout-1.5.2 + recipes? | 22:10 |
| hannosch | I think we can update to buildout 1.5 on trunk | 22:10 |
| j-w | i hope so | 22:10 |
| ccomb | that looks like a checkversions -l 0 :) | 22:11 |
| hannosch | there's enough time for everyone to update recipes before the next ztk release | 22:11 |
| ccomb | sure | 22:11 |
| j-w | right | 22:11 |
| hannosch | ccomb: indeed | 22:11 |
| ccomb | 4) how about using distribute by default? can we? should we? | 22:11 |
| ccomb | I'm +1 | 22:11 |
| j-w | me too | 22:11 |
| hannosch | +1 | 22:11 |
| ccomb | we already use it by default in bb | 22:11 |
| ccomb | nice | 22:11 |
| ccomb | 5) a lot of ZTK packages do themselves not extend from the ZTK. should they? | 22:11 |
| j-w | i can start doing that for grok(project) | 22:12 |
| j-w | (using distribute I mean) | 22:12 |
| j-w | (point 4) | 22:12 |
| hannosch | re: 5) that's their individual buildout.cfg files, right? | 22:12 |
| ccomb | This is an important question, when we want to launch the tests of an old package, depending on other packages | 22:12 |
| j-w | sometimes the buildout just fail | 22:12 |
| j-w | and then what? | 22:12 |
| j-w | I then just let them extend from the ztk | 22:13 |
| j-w | and try from there to get them fixed | 22:13 |
| j-w | to have at least some baseline | 22:13 |
| hannosch | I'd say once we create a branch, they should use a specific ztk release | 22:13 |
| hannosch | trunk could be open and try to work with "latest of all" | 22:13 |
| hannosch | or it could extend ztk trunk | 22:13 |
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| ccomb | That means we should link in the 2 directions : ZTK -> packages, and packages -> ZTK | 22:13 |
| j-w | for grok we have the grokcore.* packages extends from the groktoolkit's grok.cfg from the groktoolkit trunk | 22:13 |
| j-w | ccomb: but the link is not that hard from packages -> ZTK | 22:14 |
| j-w | I mean, the package can easily oiverride versions | 22:14 |
| ccomb | no, ok, just for tests | 22:14 |
| j-w | and then later these overrides can be consolidated in the ztk when needed | 22:14 |
| j-w | yes, for the tests | 22:14 |
| ccomb | just in individual package buildouts, not used as a dep | 22:15 |
| j-w | at least that's what I do for grok | 22:15 |
| ccomb | ok nice | 22:15 |
| hannosch | +1 :) | 22:15 |
| j-w | ok | 22:15 |
| ccomb | there was no 7) | 22:15 |
| j-w | profit! | 22:15 |
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| hannosch | ccomb: you had two more issues | 22:16 |
| j-w | who is going to up all versions on the ztk trunk? | 22:16 |
| ccomb | I can do that | 22:16 |
| * hannosch has a dark lonely winter coming up ... but is busy this week + weekend. after that I'll have time | 22:16 | |
| ccomb | hannosch: which ones? | 22:16 |
| hannosch | 8) See if we can define a path or status for Python 3 ? | 22:17 |
| ccomb | ah yes | 22:17 |
| j-w | hmm, right | 22:17 |
| hannosch | I think there's not much we can do here. maybe ask Lennart to get us a status overview of where we are today? | 22:17 |
| j-w | and I guess he cannot do it by himself, alone | 22:18 |
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| j-w | how much commitment is there to see this thru? | 22:18 |
| j-w | from the community I mean | 22:18 |
| hannosch | question is: are the tools all ready, so we could start porting packages one-by-one. or do we still need to do the basic work | 22:18 |
| j-w | 2-->3 tools you mean? | 22:19 |
| hannosch | buildout, zope.testing | 22:19 |
| ccomb | buildout works on py3? | 22:19 |
| hannosch | basic building blocks | 22:19 |
| ccomb | distribute does | 22:19 |
| hannosch | ccomb: I doubt it | 22:19 |
| j-w | aha, right, to bootstrap the proces basically... | 22:19 |
| hannosch | I think distribute, zope.interface, zope.event, zope.testing work | 22:19 |
| hannosch | not sure if there's more | 22:20 |
| j-w | zope.component? | 22:20 |
| ccomb | virtualenv didn't work (I don't know the current status) but we won't need it if buildout 1.5 works | 22:20 |
| hannosch | hhm. I can ask Lennart to tell us where we are. than we can decide on how to move forward? | 22:21 |
| ccomb | ok | 22:21 |
| j-w | ok | 22:21 |
| hannosch | and we had a final "Wonder if we can still be available in the future ?" | 22:22 |
| hannosch | from ccomb | 22:22 |
| hannosch | I think bi-weekly could work again | 22:22 |
| j-w | the members of the release team? | 22:22 |
| hannosch | j-w: yes | 22:22 |
| j-w | bi-weekly works for me | 22:22 |
| ccomb | I'm more and more busy, but I can afford a bi-weekly meeting | 22:23 |
| j-w | evenings as well | 22:23 |
| ccomb | evening is better too for me | 22:23 |
| hannosch | we started to do a lot of pair programming at work. so evenings work better for me now | 22:23 |
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| j-w | uhm, how do we go about deprecating more zope.app. from the ztk? | 22:24 |
| j-w | I can mail you guys the list of package that grok still depends on (5 or 6) | 22:24 |
| hannosch | j-w: could you get us a list of what Grok still uses? than we can deprecate everything else | 22:24 |
| hannosch | :) | 22:24 |
| j-w | the rest could be deprecated from the perspective of gtok | 22:24 |
| j-w | ok, cool | 22:24 |
| j-w | that'll be easy ;) | 22:24 |
| j-w | maybe I shoud do that before you up all the versions, ccomb ? | 22:25 |
| hannosch | if we get most zope.app deprecated, latest versions of all packages, Python 2.7 support, drop Python 2.4 support - that sounds like a good release in itself | 22:25 |
| j-w | certainly | 22:25 |
| ccomb | j-w: ok, just tell | 22:25 |
| j-w | ok | 22:26 |
| hannosch | is there already a need for a 1.0.1 bug fix release? | 22:26 |
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| hannosch | I think we have some new releases not yet in 1.0 | 22:27 |
| j-w | Grok's zope.app.* dependecies: zope.app.appsetup (and that's ok), zope.app.wsgi (and that's ok), zope.app.http (hmmm), zope.app.publication (I guess that's fine) and zope.app.debug (maybe we can remove it) | 22:27 |
| j-w | don't know about anything in particular warranting a 1.0.1 | 22:27 |
| j-w | maybe if we check the package versions for bugfix releases? | 22:28 |
| hannosch | j-w: ok. I'll look into the current 1.0 branch status | 22:28 |
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| j-w | ok | 22:28 |
| hannosch | and if there's new stuff, I'll just make a 1.0.1 release | 22:28 |
| j-w | i'll do the deprecating and the minutes | 22:28 |
| j-w | ok, cool | 22:28 |
| j-w | when the trunk is updated we might need to review the buildbot coverage | 22:29 |
| j-w | and the try to get everything green again | 22:29 |
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| hannosch | again? or for the first time ;) | 22:30 |
| ccomb | arghh | 22:30 |
| hannosch | or well. get it green for ZTK trunk | 22:30 |
| ccomb | ssh buildbot.afpy.org | 22:30 |
| ccomb | ls /tmp/|wc -l | 22:30 |
| ccomb | 10950 | 22:30 |
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| hannosch | ok. we have some good tasks for everyone. anything else we should cover today? | 22:31 |
| ccomb | I should find a way to automatically detect which tests spit some tmp files | 22:31 |
| j-w | hannosch: nothing on my agenda for now | 22:32 |
| ccomb | 10) that's all folks! :) | 22:32 |
| hannosch | cool. does tuesday evenings work in general for you? | 22:32 |
| j-w | thanks guys! | 22:32 |
| j-w | for it does | 22:32 |
| j-w | *for me | 22:33 |
| ccomb | in general yes | 22:33 |
| * hannosch can do 19:00 to 23:00 | 22:33 | |
| j-w | around 20:30 is fine for me | 22:33 |
| ccomb | so next is 23 nov | 22:33 |
| j-w | ok | 22:33 |
| hannosch | yes, 20:30 or 21:00? | 22:34 |
| ccomb | same for me | 22:34 |
| j-w | 20:30 then! :-) | 22:34 |
| ccomb | ok | 22:34 |
| hannosch | +1 | 22:34 |
| j-w | have a nice evening | 22:34 |
| hannosch | this was fun! we should do it more often :)) | 22:34 |
| ccomb | thanks, bye! | 22:34 |
| j-w | LOL | 22:35 |
| j-w | bye | 22:35 |
| hannosch | bye :) | 22:35 |
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