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| nitrogenycs | what do you guys use to run your server? zdaemon or supervisord or something else? | 00:15 |
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| planetzopebot | Migrating a blobstorage (Ross Patterson) http://rpatterson.net/blog/migrating-a-blobstorage | 01:04 |
| sm | nitrogenycs: supervisord, love it | 01:07 |
| sm | well, let's say I like it a great deal | 01:07 |
| nitrogenycs | sm: ok thank you | 01:09 |
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| dixond | folks, I have an unusual ZODB corruption problem. | 06:04 |
| dixond | ZEO is complaining about a transaction length check for the FS file failing when starting up, but the fsdump log doesn't show any transactions past a slightly earlier offset | 06:04 |
| dixond | how big is the header information for each transaction? I assume I need to truncate the ZODB to get rid of the last cruft, but I don't know where to chop | 06:04 |
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| percious | how do i run multiple zope instances on the same machine? | 08:59 |
| percious | can i just modify my zope.conf and then start it? | 08:59 |
| percious | seems like zope prevents me from running two instances | 08:59 |
| davisagli | percious: should be fine as long as they are using different HTTP ports | 09:05 |
| percious | how do i tell zopectl to use the different configs? | 09:05 |
| davisagli | percious: sorry, not sure...I'm usually dealing with the startup scripts generated by plone.recipe.zope2instance | 09:05 |
| percious | k | 09:06 |
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| d2m | percious: there should be a bin/zopectl script in every instance you install | 09:08 |
| percious | yeah, i see it | 09:08 |
| percious | ive tried to mod it, but it only starts one instance | 09:08 |
| d2m | you just need to start them | 09:08 |
| d2m | do you use buildout? | 09:09 |
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| percious | no | 09:09 |
| percious | this is a throw-away zope | 09:09 |
| d2m | ok, there is a file etc/zope.conf | 09:09 |
| percious | we are replacing with TG | 09:09 |
| percious | yeah, i coppied that | 09:09 |
| percious | made port changes | 09:09 |
| d2m | edit it and change the port address | 09:09 |
| percious | did that | 09:09 |
| d2m | when you just copy/pas all paths stay the same | 09:10 |
| d2m | you need to run bin/mkzopeinstance ... | 09:10 |
| percious | ? | 09:10 |
| d2m | or hand edit the paths in zope.conf and site.zcml to your needs | 09:10 |
| d2m | how did you install the zope distribution? | 09:11 |
| d2m | also if you copied, remove the .pyc files in your copy | 09:12 |
| percious | i dont see why i need two whole copies of zope | 09:13 |
| percious | why cant i just copy the .conf file and make port changes | 09:13 |
| percious | and then use zopectl? | 09:13 |
| d2m | usually you install the zope distribution, from there create instances with mkzopeinstance | 09:14 |
| d2m | for example http://docs.zope.org/zope2/releases/2.12/INSTALL.html | 09:15 |
| percious | but i want the instances to be identical | 09:15 |
| d2m | don't know which release you are installing right now ... | 09:16 |
| d2m | the instances are identical, except for the different port addresses | 09:16 |
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| percious | 2.8 | 09:16 |
| d2m | you can make them into ZEO clients and serve the ZODB from a single ZEO server | 09:17 |
| percious | yes, i have a zeo going | 09:17 |
| percious | i want multiple clients | 09:17 |
| d2m | yes, run mkzopeinstance and edit the port address and database settings in zope.conf | 09:17 |
| percious | and move the products over? | 09:18 |
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| percious | and find -name "*.pyc" | xargs rm ? | 09:18 |
| d2m | you can do that if you like | 09:19 |
| percious | will a symbolic link work>? | 09:19 |
| d2m | you can put the products folder anywhere and symlink it into the client instances | 09:19 |
| percious | what about the static dir? | 09:20 |
| percious | i guess that is best as a symbolic link | 09:20 |
| d2m | i don't know of a static dir | 09:21 |
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| percious | okay, it seems to work with symbolic links wazoo'd | 09:27 |
| percious | when I start the 3rd instance, zope tells me it's already running with pid from the first instance | 09:32 |
| percious | daemon process already running; pid=7681 | 09:35 |
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| planetzopebot | Rich text on a property sheet (Mock It!) http://mockit.blogspot.com/2010/12/rich-text-on-property-sheet.html | 12:04 |
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| CIA-82 | thefunny42 sylvain-zope213 * r118664 five.grok/ (README.txt buildout.cfg src/five/grok/configure.zcml): Fix configure.zcml for zope.contentprovider ZCML who is broken under Zope 2.13. | 12:08 |
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| gorakhargosh | I'm getting an annoying error that doesn't let me run doctests with nosetests. "Usage: This is a custom version of the zc.buildout nosetests script. It is intended to meet a temporary need if you encounter problems with the zc.buildout 1.5 release. nosetests: error: no such option: --with-doctest" Why does this happen? | 12:28 |
| gorakhargosh | I hope I'm asking in the right place. | 12:28 |
| Charlie_X | gorakhargosh: Not really the right place. | 12:29 |
| gorakhargosh | Charlie_X: Where should I ask then? | 12:29 |
| Charlie_X | I think there is a mailing list for buildout. | 12:29 |
| wosc | buildout is discussed on the distutils-sig mailinglist | 12:30 |
| wosc | but since I read "nose" in there, this might concern not the buildout people but the nose people | 12:30 |
| wosc | then again, I don't know, really | 12:30 |
| gorakhargosh | well since zc.buildout is somehow forcing me to use it own custom version of nosetests, I'd think the zc.buildout mailing list would be right place. =) | 12:31 |
| wosc | gorakhargosh: true that :) | 12:32 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen * r118665 zope.fanstatic/ (buildout.cfg src/zope/fanstatic/tests/tests.py): Moved fanstatic to <fanstatic> bitbucket account. Update imports. | 12:33 |
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| tulga | hi | 12:43 |
| tulga | which version of zope can I use on python 2.6? | 12:43 |
| tulga | is there any page saying python and zope's compatability? | 12:45 |
| betabug | the latest Zope 2 (2.12, 2.13) will work with python 2.6 | 12:45 |
| betabug | this one is not fully up-to-date (zope 2.13 missing): http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/VersionsMatrix | 12:46 |
| betabug | and ofcoz that "Zope 3" entry is by now probably totally useless | 12:47 |
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| tulga | okay, | 12:48 |
| Charlie_X | tulga Zope 2.12 and Zope 2.13 both support Python 2.6 | 12:48 |
| tulga | thank you all :D | 12:48 |
| tulga | when I run "mkzopeinstance" it was throwing an error DistributionNotFound: zope.traversing | 12:49 |
| tulga | it seems I need to link zope directory to something in PYTHON_PATH | 12:49 |
| Charlie_X | No, you don't | 12:50 |
| Charlie_X | It could just be an infrastructure error. | 12:50 |
| tulga | "make install" command just installed in /usr/local/Zope | 12:51 |
| tulga | then how to install it correct? :) | 12:51 |
| Charlie_X | tulga I'm just running a test install | 12:53 |
| Charlie_X | Which users on your machine need to access Zope? Are you planning more than one install? | 12:55 |
| tulga | no, just one is enough. | 12:56 |
| tulga | i wanted to play with it :) | 12:56 |
| Charlie_X | I'd suggest you do it in a "virtual environment" then. | 12:57 |
| Charlie_X | Install "virtualenv" for your Python then the following | 12:58 |
| Charlie_X | cd | 12:58 |
| Charlie_X | virtualenv-2-6 --no-site-packages zope213 | 12:58 |
| Charlie_X | cd zope213 | 12:58 |
| Charlie_X | easy_install zope2 | 12:58 |
| Charlie_X | bin/mkzopeinstance | 12:59 |
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| Charlie_X | I installed my instance into "my_zope" | 12:59 |
| Charlie_X | cd my_zope | 12:59 |
| tulga | okay | 12:59 |
| Charlie_X | bin/zopectl fg | 12:59 |
| Charlie_X | Worked fine for me. | 13:00 |
| Charlie_X | Note you do not need to be root to do this. Actually you *shouldn't* be root to do it. | 13:00 |
| betabug | especially when just playing around | 13:00 |
| tulga | ah, yes. | 13:00 |
| betabug | in that case root is always never a good idea on *nix | 13:00 |
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| Charlie_X | If you hit any problems or get fed up you can just rm -rf the zope213 folder | 13:01 |
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| tulga | ok, i am doing steps | 13:02 |
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| tulga | what about zope3 ? | 13:08 |
| tulga | can I install it using easy_install? | 13:08 |
| tulga | what is the package name of Zope3 | 13:09 |
| tulga | thanks charlie_x, i am in virtualenv | 13:09 |
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| Charlie_X | Zope3 doesn't exist any more. BlueBream is probably what you're after, | 13:13 |
| Charlie_X | Although I've no experience with it. | 13:13 |
| Charlie_X | Are you a BSD system? | 13:14 |
| tulga | no, i am on edubuntu | 13:14 |
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| tulga | linux | 13:14 |
| tulga | is that mean Zope3 is not good? I attracted to the zope because people are saying that "zope leads, python follows", "it is component based" | 13:16 |
| Charlie_X | Zope3 doesn't exist any more. | 13:16 |
| Charlie_X | Zope is great. | 13:16 |
| Charlie_X | Whether you want to use it depends on your needs. | 13:17 |
| tulga | just changed the name? | 13:17 |
| tulga | Zope3 to BlueBream? or Zope3 is dead? | 13:17 |
| Charlie_X | There was unavoidable confusion between Zope2 and Zope3. So Zope3 was renamed to BlueBream. But it's a different beast. | 13:17 |
| Charlie_X | I personally do a lot of component based development with Zope2 | 13:18 |
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| tulga | ah, yes. i came from django | 13:18 |
| tulga | found out django is not extensible. | 13:18 |
| tulga | one function with many arguments, lol | 13:19 |
| Charlie_X | If you came from Django you might be more at home with BFG/Pyramid | 13:19 |
| betabug | yeah, I was going to suggest that too | 13:19 |
| Charlie_X | But Zope2 + CMF is a great basis for content management. | 13:19 |
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| Charlie_X | Alternatively you might want to try Grok - a sort of simplified approach to the pure component architecture. | 13:21 |
| betabug | choices, choices! | 13:21 |
| tulga | thank you for recommending :) | 13:21 |
| betabug | both grok + bfg/pyramid have good docs I think | 13:21 |
| tulga | i am installing zope 2.13 | 13:21 |
| Charlie_X | Currently I think BFG/Pyramid has the best documentation and I'd recommend it for anyone wanting to play around with the programming side of things. | 13:21 |
| betabug | they have a free *book* out :-) | 13:22 |
| Charlie_X | Okay. zope2.13 is good for looking at stuff in the browser. You install it, start it and can look at stuff straight away. That should help introduce you to the Zope world. | 13:22 |
| Charlie_X | betabug: you can also buy a hard copy of it. | 13:23 |
| betabug | yupp, saw that | 13:23 |
| betabug | but free online is good to get you started | 13:23 |
| Charlie_X | Always worth having hard copy of reference books. | 13:23 |
| tulga | :) | 13:23 |
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| tulga | it maybe silly question, which version of zope is twisted using? | 13:27 |
| Charlie_X | AFAIK twisted doesn't use Zope | 13:27 |
| Charlie_X | It might use zope.component and zope.interface, ie. libraries from Zope but it is a completely independent project. | 13:28 |
| tulga | yep, independent. but these independent projects are part zope, right? then which version | 13:29 |
| tulga | yes, i saw that twisted imports these component libraries | 13:30 |
| betabug | they probably pick up some components (libraries) from zope | 13:30 |
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| tulga | thank you. then all zope2 versions uses interface and components. am i right? | 13:30 |
| tulga | i am doing baby steps, i am sorry. | 13:31 |
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| tulga | i will not bother again, when i have strong background. | 13:31 |
| assassinsppadic | morning all | 13:31 |
| betabug | haha, keep on asking :-) | 13:31 |
| tulga | okay, is that right? | 13:32 |
| betabug | older Zope 2 versions don't use interfaces and components, not exactly I'd say | 13:32 |
| betabug | but starting from 2.12 things got a lot more "modern" | 13:32 |
| betabug | zope 2 used to be a "block install", where you just got a .tgz with everything inside | 13:33 |
| tulga | yes | 13:33 |
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| Charlie_X | betabug: zope2.12 was largely a change in packaging. Zope2 has been using components for a while. | 13:53 |
| betabug | it's just that nobody noticed | 13:53 |
| Charlie_X | tulga: zope libraries are used by lots of different projects because they are useful. The library approach is what makes it extensible. | 13:53 |
| Charlie_X | betabug: not true, I've been doing ZCA based stuff since Zope 2.10 | 13:54 |
| Charlie_X | The CMF is full of it. | 13:54 |
| betabug | that's not "a long time" in my book :-) | 13:54 |
| Charlie_X | Time is relative, lunchtime doubly so. | 13:55 |
| betabug | I've been using interfaces with zope 2.5, but nobody knew what they were good for :-) | 13:55 |
| tulga | here is night, hehe. some people are saying good morning. | 13:55 |
| assassinsppadic | hello all wondering if anyone could offer a bit of advice on poskey errors in zodb | 13:55 |
| assassinsppadic | have zope2.9.9 running with python2.4.5 | 13:55 |
| Charlie_X | I still think most people don't still don't know what interfaces are goo for! ;-) | 13:56 |
| betabug | assassinsppadic: put the full traceback on a pastebin | 13:56 |
| assassinsppadic | been searching n seems like broken object deletion is the only route | 13:56 |
| assassinsppadic | ok betabug thanks | 13:56 |
| Charlie_X | tulga: we generally all say good morning whenever we join a channel. | 13:58 |
| tulga | ah, yes. | 13:58 |
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| assassinsppadic | betabug: http://dpaste.com/282181/ | 14:00 |
| assassinsppadic | any help guidance would be greatly appreciated | 14:00 |
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| assassinsppadic | wilkommen vladdracul :-) | 14:11 |
| vladdracul | hello | 14:11 |
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| CIA-82 | gotcha * r118666 gocept.selenium/ (8 files in 3 dirs): tests run with plone.testing branch for Plone3 | 15:04 |
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| CIA-82 | faassen * r118667 ldappas/bootstrap.py: More modern bootstrap. | 17:20 |
| CIA-82 | faassen * r118668 ldappas/buildout.cfg: | 17:20 |
| CIA-82 | * lock down buildout to 1.4.3 until a new zc.recipe.cmmi can be | 17:20 |
| CIA-82 | released. | 17:20 |
| CIA-82 | * Update to newer openldap, so that things compile with modern gcc. | 17:20 |
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| donri | I get LockError if I make two ZODB FileStorage for the same database, in two processes. | 17:25 |
| donri | How should I deal with that? | 17:25 |
| gorakhargosh | Just in case anybody was wondering about my question earlier, nosetests scans bootstrap.py in the project directory for tests too and stops working. Giving the bootstrap.py executable permissions excludes it from nosetests and then makes it work correctly. HTH someone. =) | 17:25 |
| betabug | donri: use ZEO | 17:25 |
| donri | Is that the only way? | 17:26 |
| betabug | it's the proper way | 17:26 |
| donri | OK thanks | 17:26 |
| betabug | as 2 processes writing to the same file will get you a *lot* of trouble | 17:27 |
| donri | Yea figures :) | 17:27 |
| betabug | well, ZEO is in general a good idea, very robust and widely used | 17:27 |
| donri | Well I was enjoying the simplicity of it "just working" with zero-setup in development, until I wanted to use the DB from a shell while running the dev server | 17:29 |
| betabug | setting up ZEO is really very close to zero setup | 17:29 |
| betabug | make the zeo instance, move the Data.fs to it, start it up | 17:29 |
| betabug | change some lines in your zope.conf, restart the zope instance, done | 17:30 |
| betabug | while developing, you never do anything with the zeo instance, just restart zope when you need to | 17:30 |
| donri | Not Zope actually but yea | 17:30 |
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| CIA-82 | faassen * r118669 ldappas/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 17:49 |
| CIA-82 | Use ZTK. Getting rid of zope.app.testing is more involved, and will | 17:49 |
| CIA-82 | have to wait. | 17:49 |
| CIA-82 | faassen * r118670 ldappas/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): | 17:49 |
| CIA-82 | Clean up dependencies somewhat, but won't be really clean until we | 17:49 |
| CIA-82 | get rid of zope.app.testing. | 17:49 |
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| CIA-82 | thefunny42 sylvain-zope213 * r118671 five.grok/ (README.txt buildout.cfg): Update version to latest available. | 18:08 |
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| waldi | can I share a blob cache directory for zeo 3.8 clients? | 18:28 |
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| CIA-82 | malthe * r118672 Products.PluggableAuthService/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed an issue where a bad cookie value would raise an inappropriate exception. | 19:35 |
| CIA-82 | malthe 1.6 * r118673 Products.PluggableAuthService/Products/PluggableAuthService/plugins/ (CookieAuthHelper.py tests/test_CookieAuthHelper.py): Fixed an issue where a bad cookie value would raise an inappropriate exception. | 19:35 |
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| RaceCondition | how do I find all classes that (in)directly implement an interface? smth like IFoo.getImplementors() or | 19:52 |
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| * mgedmin doesn't remember | 19:54 | |
| mgedmin | you could go read zope.component's docs and try to find out | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | or you could look at how apidoc does this | 19:54 |
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| waldi | ERROR ZEO.zrpc (24042) can't decode message: '(K3K\x01U\tserialnos(]((U\x08\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00U\xc0\...' | 21:04 |
| waldi | okay, nothing cares about compatibility anymore | 21:04 |
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| mgedmin | waldi, I recommend the zodb mailing list | 21:09 |
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| sm | will text encoding errors be a thing of the past 10 years from now ? | 21:21 |
| sm | I wonder | 21:21 |
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| dixond | percious_: you ever get your other zope up? | 21:55 |
| dixond | percious_: you need to also alter the runzope script which is generated. | 21:55 |
| dixond | percious_: three things need to change for new zope: zopectl, runzope, zope.conf | 21:55 |
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| dixond | any relstorage bods in the house? | 23:09 |
| dixond | just got an error trying to add a Plone Site to a relstorage DB | 23:09 |
| dixond | never seen it before - all other parts of the setup are totally stable, just swapped ZEO for RelStorage. | 23:10 |
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| waldi | dixond: why relstorage? is plone supported on relstorage? | 23:20 |
| dixond | hrm. deleted the (broken) site that got created, then re-created it with RelStolage 1.4.1 egg (was still on 1.4.0b3) now works. Obviously an old bug. | 23:20 |
| dixond | waldi: *shrugs* RelStorage because it gives us the resiliency of Oracle RAC | 23:21 |
| dixond | :) | 23:21 |
| dixond | waldi: we have had other data in RelStorage for a while now - this is for a proof-of-concept | 23:21 |
| dixond | waldi: although, my DBAs shit bricks when I explained that sometimes we commit 3gb transactions on the current setup ;-) | 23:22 |
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| dixond | aw bugger, I'm an idiot... nup, even with RelStorage 1.4.1 it still fails creating the site. | 23:31 |
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| dixond | oh dear, but it's worse - this is a heisenbug; I just instrumented the code to log some stuff when the exception is thrown, and now it works perfectly :-( | 23:56 |
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