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| planetzopebot | Python meeting at AGGN (Reinout van Rees' weblog) http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2011/02/28/python-aggn.html | 01:04 |
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| CIA-85 | shane * r120614 relstorage/ (7 files in 3 dirs): | 01:29 |
| CIA-85 | Fixed compatibility with PostgreSQL 9.0, which is capable of | 01:29 |
| CIA-85 | returning a new 'hex' type to the client. Some builds of psycopg2 | 01:29 |
| CIA-85 | return garbage or raise an error when they see the new type. The fix | 01:29 |
| CIA-85 | was to encode more SQL query responses using base 64. | 01:29 |
| CIA-85 | Also added credit for Martijn. Awesome work. | 01:29 |
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| nmcbride | can anyone help me with zodb + zeo? | 03:34 |
| nmcbride | specifically blob file storage? | 03:34 |
| nmcbride | i've set everything up | 03:34 |
| nmcbride | and the blobs folder was created and all of my previous db code is working | 03:34 |
| nmcbride | but i can't figure out how to store blob data | 03:35 |
| nmcbride | is this even close: http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/796 | 03:35 |
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| CIA-85 | shane * r120615 relstorage/ (CHANGES.txt relstorage/blobhelper.py): | 05:23 |
| CIA-85 | With the new shared-blob-dir option set to false, it was possible | 05:23 |
| CIA-85 | for a thread to read a partially downloaded blob. Fixed. Thanks for | 05:23 |
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| planetzopebot | The 10 Python Conferences Happening at PyCon 2011 (part 2) (The PyCon blog) http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/02/10-python-conferences-happening-at_28.html | 06:04 |
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| nmcbride | could someone give me a hand with zodb + zeo? specifically blob storage? Everything seems to be working except I don't really know how to store blob data and can't find a good example. | 06:46 |
| nmcbride | Is this anywhere close? http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/796 | 06:46 |
| mcdonc_ | nmcbride: http://svn.zope.org/ZODB/trunk/src/ZODB/tests/blob_basic.txt?rev=113734&view=markup | 06:49 |
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| nmcbride | mcdonc: the writting to it like a file part i get. | 06:52 |
| nmcbride | i setup zeo and zodb | 06:53 |
| nmcbride | and have my blobs folder like shown in the pyramid docs | 06:53 |
| mcdonc_ | a blob is like any other persistent object | 06:53 |
| mcdonc_ | you say persistentobject.somename = theblob | 06:53 |
| nmcbride | atleast i'm getting a different error now lol: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getPathForOID' | 06:57 |
| nmcbride | tried it more like the docs and still getting the same | 07:01 |
| nmcbride | http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/797 | 07:01 |
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| mcdonc_ | why are you storing a tuple | 07:05 |
| nmcbride | before when i uploaded a picture it was easy to do (filename, binary_source) | 07:05 |
| nmcbride | so when I pulled it back i got both | 07:05 |
| nmcbride | and then just did [0] and [1] | 07:05 |
| mcdonc_ | try it without the filename temporarilu | 07:06 |
| mcdonc_ | y | 07:06 |
| mcdonc_ | you may be able to do | 07:06 |
| nmcbride | ok, outside of a tuple? | 07:06 |
| mcdonc_ | blob.thefilename = filename | 07:06 |
| mcdonc_ | then | 07:06 |
| nmcbride | k | 07:06 |
| mcdonc_ | folder['name'] = blob | 07:06 |
| nmcbride | oh you can add attributes to the blob | 07:06 |
| nmcbride | same | 07:07 |
| nmcbride | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getPathForOID' | 07:07 |
| nmcbride | f.close() | 07:08 |
| nmcbride | blob.filename = filename | 07:08 |
| nmcbride | root['settings']['default_product_image'] = blob | 07:08 |
| mcdonc_ | no idea man, sorry | 07:09 |
| nmcbride | can't believe I stumped you :D | 07:10 |
| mcdonc_ | not particularly hard | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | Module ZEO.ClientStorage:955 in storeBlob view | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | << # Also, this releaves the client of having to manage the file | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | # (or the directory contianing it). | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | self.fshelper.getPathForOID(oid, create=True) | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | fd, target = self.fshelper.blob_mkstemp(oid, serial) | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | os.close(fd) | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | >> self.fshelper.getPathForOID(oid, create=True) | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getPathForOID' | 07:11 |
| nmcbride | darn hidden lines, thought it was only 3 lines | 07:11 |
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| nmcbride | mcdonc_: maybe not for you but kinda hard for me :D | 07:20 |
| mcdonc_ | i meant it's not hard to stump me | 07:20 |
| nmcbride | oh lol | 07:21 |
| nmcbride | this is the first time i've used zeo | 07:21 |
| nmcbride | and my last brick wall before an initial release | 07:21 |
| mcdonc_ | i'd suggest that if "fshelper" is None, it means something about your configuration is not right, but i dont know what this is | 07:21 |
| nmcbride | that's what i was looking at now | 07:22 |
| mcdonc_ | i'd suggest taking a look at the uri you're using as your zodb_url or whatever in the config and comparing it against the zodbconn docs | 07:22 |
| nmcbride | all the other db stuff seems to be using it ok | 07:25 |
| CIA-85 | shane * r120616 relstorage/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Clarified the documentation of blob-cache-size. Also allowed 'MB' and 'GB' suffixes and fixed various minor inconsistencies in README. | 07:27 |
| mcdonc_ | nmcbride: blobs take special configuration | 07:32 |
| nmcbride | i followed the zodb+zeo guide under the pyramid docs | 07:32 |
| nmcbride | http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_tutorials/dev/zeo/index.html | 07:33 |
| mcdonc_ | that does not set up blobs | 07:33 |
| nmcbride | the <blobstorage 1> part i thought did | 07:34 |
| mcdonc_ | bleh | 07:34 |
| mcdonc_ | zeo://%(here)s/zeo.sock?blob_dir=/path/to/the/blobs or something | 07:35 |
| mcdonc_ | /path/to/the/blobs is wherever $INSTANCE/blobs goes | 07:35 |
| mcdonc_ | the blobdir thing below needs to stay too | 07:35 |
| mcdonc_ | i didnt realize it was in there | 07:35 |
| mcdonc_ | i'm not promising this will fix it | 07:36 |
| mcdonc_ | but seems like a good guess | 07:36 |
| nmcbride | so i need it in the config and the uri? | 07:36 |
| mcdonc_ | try it and see | 07:36 |
| nmcbride | k | 07:36 |
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| nmcbride | adding that gives me http://bfg.repoze.org/pastebin/800 | 07:40 |
| mcdonc_ | try zeo://%(here)s/zeo.sock?blob_dir=/path/to/the/blobs&shared_blob_dir=true | 07:41 |
| nmcbride | that may have worked | 07:52 |
| nmcbride | i have a bunch of 0x00 folders under /blobs | 07:53 |
| nmcbride | what was wrong and what did our changes do? | 07:53 |
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| mcdonc_ | nmcbride: the original mistake was the tutorial leading you to believe that blobs would work | 08:02 |
| mcdonc_ | our changes told the zeo clientstorage where to find the blobs | 08:02 |
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| nmcbride | mcdonc_: sorry was getting the new baby to sleep | 08:39 |
| nmcbride | the config isn't enough? | 08:39 |
| nmcbride | i mean obviously it isn't but how come? seems like it is suppose to be. | 08:39 |
| mcdonc_ | sorry, cant participate in the postmortem much, but you need the zeo client to know about blobs too, and it didnt | 08:41 |
| mcdonc_ | now it does | 08:41 |
| nmcbride | ok i know you are busy | 08:41 |
| nmcbride | thanks for helping +1 beers for you on me next time we go out | 08:41 |
| mcdonc_ | np, sorry for the misleading docs | 08:41 |
| nmcbride | it isn't your fault :D | 08:42 |
| mcdonc_ | well you're fixed in any case, fault aside ;-) | 08:43 |
| nmcbride | yes thank you very much :D | 08:43 |
| nmcbride | with that i am going to go get an hour of sleep before i need to feed him again | 08:44 |
| nmcbride | take care | 08:44 |
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| mcdonc_ | night nmcbride | 08:44 |
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| hannosch | j-w, ccomb: good evening | 20:55 |
| j-w | hi hannosch, ccomb | 20:56 |
| ccomb | hi | 20:56 |
| j-w | how're you guys doing? | 20:56 |
| hannosch | I'm doing good. just moved back to Norway this weekend - probably for two months | 20:56 |
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| j-w | your moving quite frequently :) | 20:57 |
| hannosch | ccomb: who's your own business coming along? | 20:57 |
| hannosch | how, even | 20:57 |
| ccomb | just missed a long term project :( | 20:57 |
| j-w | hmm, not nice | 20:57 |
| ccomb | but otherwise I'm fine | 20:58 |
| hannosch | good. j-w: did things settle down a bit again at the health agency? or any more crisis? | 20:58 |
| j-w | we're in an possible uptake | 20:58 |
| j-w | so, that's good | 20:58 |
| hannosch | yeah! and you are all set in the "new" offices? all unpacking long done I presume | 20:59 |
| j-w | yes :) | 20:59 |
| * hannosch doesn't remember anymore how long it's been ;) | 20:59 | |
| j-w | but you know, whenever you have your laptop and an internet conncetion, you can work :) | 20:59 |
| hannosch | sure. j-w so how's Grok doing? lots of releases "recently" ;) | 21:00 |
| j-w | hannosch: yes!! | 21:00 |
| j-w | there's quite some movement indeed | 21:00 |
| j-w | adding features, not earth shattering, but still | 21:00 |
| j-w | now one of the Big Challenges is to keep the documentation in good shape | 21:01 |
| j-w | or rather *get* it in good shape | 21:01 |
| hannosch | aha, you still have that Plone site for it? | 21:01 |
| hannosch | not switching to Sphinx and reSt for everything? | 21:01 |
| j-w | i realisezed there's quite a lot, it "only" became an unordely, well, uhm, mess realy :) | 21:01 |
| j-w | hannosch: we are actually switching | 21:02 |
| j-w | only slowly | 21:02 |
| hannosch | aha | 21:02 |
| j-w | is about manpower | 21:02 |
| j-w | or lack thereof | 21:02 |
| hannosch | it always is :) | 21:02 |
| j-w | yes, esp. for docs :) | 21:02 |
| hannosch | but you have movement again, that's more than the rest of Zope can claim | 21:02 |
| j-w | anyway, there *is* development and that is very good | 21:02 |
| j-w | :-) | 21:03 |
| hannosch | ccomb: any news on BlueBream after the 1.0? | 21:03 |
| ccomb | mmh not really | 21:03 |
| ccomb | it's very calm | 21:03 |
| j-w | we actually ran into "old" code indeed, that we would like to tackel at some point | 21:03 |
| j-w | *tackle | 21:03 |
| hannosch | ccomb: do you know if there's any real users at all? | 21:03 |
| ccomb | at least me :) | 21:03 |
| j-w | :-) | 21:03 |
| hannosch | aha, one :) | 21:04 |
| ccomb | and yotaf, who still uses zope3 in his company | 21:04 |
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| j-w | hannosch, ccomb playing devils advocate: you still interested in actively doing the ztk releaseteam? does it have value for you? | 21:04 |
| j-w | I thought to bring up the hard question first ;) | 21:05 |
| hannosch | with Zope2 it's currently quiet - we have the 2.13 series based on ZTK 1.0.x out. Plone 4.1 is based on that and still in alpha. I don't expect to see much on Zope 2 trunk / ZTK 1.x for a couple months | 21:05 |
| j-w | ok | 21:05 |
| hannosch | j-w: I'm interested, but I don't see much that we could or should do right now | 21:05 |
| hannosch | personally I'm focussing on a lot more company internal and Plone things | 21:05 |
| j-w | that's about my view as well | 21:06 |
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| ccomb | interested too but I'm not always available in the long term | 21:06 |
| j-w | but, I guess by meeting a bit more regularly again we might induce a little movement again? | 21:06 |
| j-w | there's some stuff the grok people would like to see that could be of interest to others | 21:07 |
| ccomb | I can be very active during a few weeks, then not for a couple of month, then again, etc. | 21:07 |
| j-w | ok, totally understandable | 21:07 |
| j-w | I could try to create a list of things that grok would like to see done in the ZTK | 21:08 |
| hannosch | j-w: do you think Grok wants to do things that the three of us should discuss? or is it looking for feedback from the "Zope community" in general? | 21:08 |
| j-w | there's a couple of things really about the ZTK | 21:08 |
| j-w | and other more of general nature | 21:08 |
| hannosch | ok. I'd be happy to discuss them | 21:08 |
| j-w | the ZTK-things are: zope.app.appsetup and zope.errorview | 21:09 |
| hannosch | aha, you didn't include zope.errorview into ZTK 1.1 right? | 21:09 |
| j-w | grok is about to move away from zope.app.appsetup - but this might trigger potential changes in other packages | 21:09 |
| j-w | zope.errorview was a bit to late for the 1.1 proper releases | 21:09 |
| j-w | and I need to write a post to the ml about it first, I feel | 21:09 |
| hannosch | ok. then put it in on ZTK trunk :) | 21:09 |
| j-w | I will :) | 21:10 |
| j-w | ccomb: you ok if we would deprecate zope.app.appsetup from the ZTK? | 21:10 |
| j-w | at some point | 21:10 |
| ccomb | ok | 21:10 |
| hannosch | for zope.app.appsetup you'd need to be a bit more specific I guess. Zope2 doesn't use any of it, so I'm not too concerned - but ccomb might have a different opinion | 21:11 |
| ccomb | anyway what is deprecated in ZTK will be maintained in bb for some time | 21:11 |
| j-w | well, if grok does not us it anymore only BB uses it | 21:11 |
| hannosch | right, that's when we move it out of the ZTK | 21:11 |
| ccomb | yes, so it will be a bb-specific package | 21:11 |
| j-w | so, if ccomb would like to maintain it in the bb context, that would be nice | 21:11 |
| hannosch | he probably doesn't want to - but has to ;) | 21:12 |
| j-w | grok needs to write code first though, to replace appsetup, so it is still a bit hand-wavy :) | 21:12 |
| hannosch | I'm +1 on anything that gets rid of the last zope.app pieces in the ZTK | 21:12 |
| j-w | ok :-) | 21:12 |
| j-w | you guys have anything on the ztk agenda? | 21:13 |
| ccomb | do we have any news on the py3k support? | 21:14 |
| hannosch | ccomb: I think Lennart might look at it during PyCon | 21:14 |
| j-w | oh, and there is zc.sourcefactory that has "zope.app-ish" code in it still | 21:14 |
| hannosch | ccomb: but in general no news | 21:14 |
| * j-w is going to pycon actually! | 21:14 | |
| j-w | but not attending sprints | 21:14 |
| hannosch | j-w: whoo! PyCon is fun | 21:15 |
| j-w | the program seems __very__ interesting indeed :) | 21:15 |
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| j-w | oh, and another thing that might affect the ztk: the recent discussion concerning zope.testbrowser and related | 21:16 |
| hannosch | I don't have anything on the ZTK agenda. I could probably run the checkversions scrips and see if we have any bugfixes | 21:16 |
| j-w | and related to that (zope.testbrowser) is the discussion on how to deal with test layers and test runners etc. | 21:17 |
| hannosch | j-w: right. there seems to be agreement on the approach for zope.testbrowser. so I'd just wait for the guys to finish the work | 21:17 |
| j-w | but I guess this is not so much a ztk-releaseteam topic, but a much wider topic that needs, well, movement :) | 21:17 |
| j-w | but why is it in the zopeapp.cfg again? | 21:17 |
| j-w | and not in the ztk.cfg? | 21:18 |
| j-w | there's probably a good reason | 21:18 |
| hannosch | it had dependencies on zope.app.appsetup | 21:18 |
| j-w | aha, right, yes I see | 21:18 |
| hannosch | part of jinty's work was to remove those | 21:18 |
| j-w | yes, now I remember | 21:18 |
| j-w | ok, we'll await that then | 21:18 |
| hannosch | for testrunnners, I'm happy with zope.testrunner. for test layers we use plone.testing these days (non Plone specific) | 21:19 |
| j-w | running the checkversions seems a good idea | 21:19 |
| j-w | yes, plone.testing's layer | 21:19 |
| j-w | that might we worthwhile checkinh | 21:19 |
| j-w | checking | 21:19 |
| j-w | even though some grok people experimented quite seriously with py.test | 21:20 |
| j-w | and create some infrastructure for it to run "functional" tests with it | 21:20 |
| j-w | that actually looks interesting | 21:20 |
| j-w | but, same story, it need serious work to make it work conveniently for the more casual developer *using* grok | 21:20 |
| hannosch | we have http://pypi.python.org/pypi/plone.app.testing for the convenience inside Plone | 21:21 |
| hannosch | plone.testing gives you stacked component registries and stacked zodb demo storages - so you can actually have proper layer isolation | 21:22 |
| j-w | and this could be re-licensed to be included in the ztk if it comes to that? | 21:23 |
| hannosch | plone.testing could | 21:23 |
| hannosch | it's easy to make that BSD | 21:23 |
| j-w | ok, good to know! | 21:24 |
| j-w | uhm, what about trying to set a next date? | 21:24 |
| j-w | in, say, three weeks and sooner if something comes up? | 21:25 |
| hannosch | sounds sensible | 21:25 |
| j-w | would you consider that useful? | 21:25 |
| j-w | ok | 21:25 |
| j-w | ccomb: for you? | 21:25 |
| hannosch | and if it's only about talking to the two of you, I'm happy :) | 21:25 |
| ccomb | 3 weeks is ok | 21:25 |
| j-w | hannosch: :-) | 21:25 |
| j-w | ok, I'll create a doodle for it then | 21:26 |
| hannosch | great | 21:26 |
| ccomb | o | 21:26 |
| ccomb | k | 21:26 |
| j-w | and i'll try to create a list of grok concerns that might or might not be affecting the ztk release team, ok? | 21:26 |
| hannosch | sure. I'll look for new ZTK bug fix releases | 21:26 |
| j-w | ok! | 21:27 |
| j-w | ow, and I'll look into moving zope.errorviews into the ztk trunk as well | 21:27 |
| hannosch | thanks for the meeting and thanks to j-w for poking us ;) | 21:27 |
| j-w | np :-) | 21:28 |
| j-w | thanks hannosch, ccomb | 21:28 |
| j-w | have a nice evening | 21:28 |
| hannosch | you too :) | 21:28 |
| ccomb | bye, see you | 21:28 |
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