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| marcusb | hi, i am watching the keynote future-of-plone from ploneconf 2010 and alan runyan said that restricted python is going away but he didn't say what replaces it. what's up with that? | 00:42 |
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| kosh | I don't know of anything that replaces it | 01:35 |
| kosh | for some reason the plone developers don't like the idea anymore | 01:35 |
| marcusb | weird. I don't see how you can keep using python fragments in db queries etc and get collaboration without it | 01:36 |
| marcusb | maybe they don't like collaboration :) | 01:36 |
| kosh | I don't see how to keep doing that either without it | 01:36 |
| kosh | for some reason it is not longer cool to develop inside a web browser even though everything else is now browser based now | 01:39 |
| kosh | since it is not cool anymore it has to go | 01:40 |
| marcusb | yeah well. domain specific languages will have to be used then | 01:41 |
| kosh | well since python scripts already work with python 2.7 it is likely that you could just keep using them for a very long time | 01:42 |
| kosh | at least in regular zope 2.x | 01:42 |
| kosh | the security work is done | 01:42 |
| marcusb | yeah | 01:44 |
| marcusb | I am not worried, I was just curious about that remark (I'm new to plone, but I did use some zope modules for my own projects) | 01:44 |
| kosh | I dont' use plone, just regular zope 2.x | 01:45 |
| CIA-83 | ldr * r121496 /zope.interface/branches/elro-metaclass-resolution: Branch with InterfaceClass metaclass resolution patch. | 01:51 |
| CIA-83 | ldr elro-metaclass-resolution * r121497 zope.interface/src/zope/interface/ (interface.py tests/test_interface.py): InterfaceClass metaclass resolution. | 01:51 |
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| r0ver | Hello. I've a list with elements of type (country, city) and i'd like to use two choice fields to show them on a form. So far so good, i've the form working. The point is i'd like to restrict the second choice, for example, when i select USA, i'd like to see cities just from USA. | 02:38 |
| kosh | that is done with javascript and has nothing to do with zope though | 02:39 |
| kosh | zope is server side, you need something client side | 02:39 |
| r0ver | kosh: thank you very much. I thought formlib could generate such code... | 02:41 |
| kosh | no idea about that I have never looked at formlib | 02:42 |
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| betabug | kosh: hey, you were looking for me? | 10:02 |
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| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121498 Products.ZCatalog/ (setup.py CHANGES.txt): Prepare Products.ZCatalog 2.13.11. | 12:39 |
| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121499 /Products.ZCatalog/tags/2.13.11: Tagged Products.ZCatalog 2.13.11. | 12:39 |
| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121500 Products.ZCatalog/ (setup.py CHANGES.txt): vb | 12:39 |
| CIA-83 | hannosch 2.13 * r121501 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg): Yet another ZCatalog release | 12:39 |
| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121502 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg): And one more ZCatalog release | 12:39 |
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| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121503 Products.ZCatalog/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Replaced `weightedIntersection` and `weightedUnion` calls with their non-weighted version, as we didn't pass in weights. | 14:43 |
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| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121504 Products.ZCatalog/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | Optimize DateRangeIndex for better conflict resolution handling. It always | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | starts out with storing an IITreeSet of the value instead of special casing | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | storing an int for a single value. The `single value as int` optimization should | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | be provided via a separate API to be called periodically outside the context of | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | a normal request. | 15:41 |
| CIA-83 | hannosch * r121505 Products.ZCatalog/ (setup.py CHANGES.txt): Prepare Products.ZCatalog 2.13.12. | 15:41 |
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| CIA-83 | hannosch 2.13 * r121508 Zope/ (doc/CHANGES.rst versions.cfg): ZCatalog +1 | 15:41 |
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| kosh | betabug: what app whre you looking at where something was screwing up ZODB references? | 16:09 |
| betabug | ZTM2 | 16:09 |
| betabug | (no, I haven't heard of it either) | 16:09 |
| betabug | looks like a reference count leak in the skin code to me | 16:09 |
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| kosh | is it zope code or is it something that directly uses the ZODB? | 16:10 |
| betabug | zope | 16:10 |
| betabug | with CMF and that ZTM2 stuff | 16:10 |
| betabug | in the skin code it's doing a hell of a lot of work | 16:10 |
| kosh | hmm since everything is bound to the REQUEST object one way or another I wonder how something could leak | 16:10 |
| betabug | so I guess on some requests it's flooding the zodb caches | 16:11 |
| betabug | historically one place was the session - but that's not the case here | 16:11 |
| betabug | but if you manage to create a circular reference, things will stick around | 16:11 |
| kosh | hmm creating circular refs like that usually takes a lot of work or REALLY bad code | 16:13 |
| kosh | I don't think I Have ever had to deal with circular refs | 16:13 |
| betabug | I take option 2 here | 16:13 |
| betabug | I don't like the code much | 16:13 |
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| betabug | (obviously it's not my code) | 16:13 |
| kosh | sounds like it would be pretty hard to fix | 16:14 |
| betabug | deep meditation code fixing trance required | 16:14 |
| betabug | I would attempt it, but so far it has not been asked for | 16:14 |
| betabug | system seems halfway stable now | 16:14 |
| betabug | with a big, fat cache in front | 16:15 |
| kosh | yeah I don't like fixing problems that way | 16:15 |
| kosh | since any cache misses cause the original problem to come back | 16:15 |
| betabug | sure | 16:18 |
| betabug | but I doubt that someone wants to invest the money to really fix up this app | 16:18 |
| betabug | IMHO those CMF apps are scary | 16:19 |
| kosh | well usually what you would do is keep the data and replace the skin entirely | 16:19 |
| kosh | faster that way | 16:19 |
| betabug | there's a lot of custom stuff in that skin | 16:19 |
| kosh | ah | 16:19 |
| betabug | you could say that the site is actually in the skin | 16:19 |
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| CIA-83 | janwijbrand * r121510 hurry.workflow/ (4 files in 2 dirs): turn WorkflowInfo.info() and WorkflowInfo.state() functions into classmethods as they are not of much use otherwise | 16:26 |
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| kosh | betabug: that sounds like a lot of work to untangle and fix that | 16:41 |
| betabug | could be | 16:41 |
| betabug | depends on how much actual untangling is needed | 16:41 |
| vortec | "the site is actually in the skin" - oh dear. | 16:46 |
| betabug | well, the content is not | 16:46 |
| betabug | but a lot of the logic seems to be | 16:46 |
| vortec | sure, but the logic i assume? | 16:46 |
| betabug | it's not that I understood it all :-) | 16:46 |
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| vpelletier | Hi. I'm working https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/735999 (Zope 2.12 PythonScript manage_change_history_page functionalities broken for old objects) | 17:25 |
| _mup_ | Bug #735999: Zope 2.12 PythonScript manage_change_history_page functionalities broken for old objects <Zope 2:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/735999 > | 17:25 |
| vpelletier | ah, there is a fine bot :) | 17:25 |
| vpelletier | My first goal is to make OFS/History.py use an "historical" ZODB connection (ie, with "before" parameter) | 17:27 |
| vpelletier | first, I'm not sure how I should create such connection from an existing one ("_p_jar.__class__(_p_jar.db(), before=...)" doesn't look so clean) | 17:27 |
| vpelletier | second, I'm afraid of Connection.connections dict, as I'll open a database with some already-registered name but with different parameters | 17:28 |
| vpelletier | the second point makes me think it's not supported to mix historical & current connections to the same database | 17:30 |
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| betabug | vpelletier: I think you want the zope-dev mailing list, not much zope-devs reading on this channel | 17:31 |
| vpelletier | ah, ok | 17:31 |
| vpelletier | thanks | 17:31 |
| betabug | np, good luck | 17:32 |
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