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| mitchell`off | does anyone check the security-response@zope.org email address? | 04:13 |
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| mcdonc | mitchell`off: i see the messages coming in but i'm on the security response list out of legacy and i dont really do much with zope any more | 05:04 |
| mcdonc | but the messages are coming thru | 05:04 |
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| mitchell` | ah, thanks mcdonc | 12:30 |
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| eriolssi | Hi to all, is there please someone who could give me advice? | 12:44 |
| betabug | eriolssi: maybe... but only if you ask a question | 12:49 |
| eriolssi | OK, i try it: I had an intranet webpages on zope2.7 which I... accidentally removed. so: I installed zope2.10 but the intranet instance is returning errors | 12:51 |
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| eriolssi | I need to get it work with zope2.10, I cant get back zope2.7 - is it possilbe? I know there is problems with outdated PRoducts and CMF I guess | 12:52 |
| mitchell` | eriolssi: could you paste an example of the errors to http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope ? | 12:52 |
| betabug | I'd say install 2.7 again | 12:52 |
| eriolssi | But I am complete zope newbie and dont know the dependencies with plone CMF etc.. | 12:52 |
| eriolssi | yes, errors are here: | 12:52 |
| mitchell` | hmm. that paste thing doesn't have #zope. | 12:52 |
| eriolssi | http://darkarid.ufouni.cz/tmp/zope/intranet-error.htm | 12:52 |
| mitchell` | lol. public Wave in the topic. | 12:52 |
| eriolssi | this is erorr webpage is returning | 12:53 |
| betabug | mitchell`: yeah, we're *retro* here | 12:53 |
| eriolssi | here is log: http://darkarid.ufouni.cz/tmp/zope/event.log | 12:53 |
| betabug | eriolssi: install 2.7, these errors are not going to be resolved easily | 12:54 |
| betabug | this is a plone site? | 12:54 |
| eriolssi | I wantet to instlal zope2.7 back again, but I have issues with python2.3.. I cant get mad with packages on this linux - its server in production | 12:54 |
| betabug | plone is very much linked to a certain zope version | 12:54 |
| eriolssi | I guess - thing is I dont really know and old Admin isnt working here anymore | 12:54 |
| betabug | there is no easy way to get this to work on 2.10, it needs a migratio | 12:55 |
| eriolssi | here is the list of Products that webinstance used on zope2.7: http://darkarid.ufouni.cz/tmp/zope/Products.txt | 12:55 |
| betabug | n | 12:55 |
| betabug | it's plone all right | 12:55 |
| eriolssi | ok, is there a way to migrate it to 2.10? I have the whole instance directory backed up | 12:55 |
| betabug | there is a way, but no easy, fast, simple way | 12:56 |
| betabug | I would suggest to install python 2.3 locally (not as root) from source | 12:56 |
| betabug | to get the instance back running | 12:56 |
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| eriolssi | I thought maybe If I will update ALL the used products it will solve it... so why exactly im getting these errors? Which part is incompatible, | 12:57 |
| eriolssi | ? | 12:57 |
| betabug | and then investigate in a plone migration (e.e. ask on #plone, or hire a plone expert) | 12:57 |
| betabug | eriolssi: your (old) plone version is compatible only with that (old) zope version | 12:57 |
| betabug | upgrading it is a bit more complicated than just updating the products, because the data structure has changed (a lot) | 12:58 |
| betabug | besides, Zope 2.10 is not the latest Zope, so you don't gain that much | 12:58 |
| eriolssi | Oh.. I know, but I have old lenny here and updating is not an option... So, installing python2.3 locally - how do you mean that? | 12:59 |
| betabug | yes | 12:59 |
| betabug | you can install from source, in userspace | 12:59 |
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| betabug | and then change the "zope instance" to use that python interpreter | 13:00 |
| eriolssi | Im afraid I dont know how to do that install part. how to change path to python I know.. | 13:00 |
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| mitchell` | eriolssi: saerch for collective python buildout | 13:00 |
| betabug | mitchell`: come on! | 13:00 |
| eriolssi | and trying to install pyrthon2.3 from deb package with dpkg is dangerous? | 13:00 |
| mitchell` | it will build and install different versions of python for you from source in a safe way | 13:00 |
| mitchell` | betabug: ? | 13:01 |
| betabug | mitchell`: this will no way get him a plone that can migrate his stuff magically just like that | 13:01 |
| betabug | mitchell`: ah, ok | 13:01 |
| mitchell` | betabug: to build Py2.4 | 13:01 |
| mitchell` | s/4/3/ | 13:01 |
| mitchell` | it's early ;) | 13:02 |
| betabug | eriolssi: if you can install python 2.3 from a package, it's ok - but you said you couldn't do that | 13:02 |
| eriolssi | i can TRY, but im worried it will mess up the system and so.. | 13:02 |
| eriolssi | aptitude tells me that python2.3 cant be installed | 13:03 |
| betabug | well, if you are worried about messing up the system, go for a local install of python with `configure && make && make install`, giving it a local path | 13:03 |
| betabug | in a user directory | 13:03 |
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| eriolssi | ok - so as as user (not root), in a local path, the full command will be "configure && make && make install" and? | 13:04 |
| betabug | hmm, no, you will likely need some options for `configure` | 13:05 |
| betabug | to tell it where to install | 13:05 |
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| eriolssi | ok.. | 13:06 |
| mitchell` | usually --prefix=/usr/local or something | 13:07 |
| eriolssi | whis is it, right? http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.3.3/Python-2.3.3.tgz | 13:07 |
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| eriolssi | when i try to install python2.3 via deb package: python conflicts with python2.3 (<< 2.3.5-14) python2.3 (version 2.3.5-3sarge2) is to be installed. dpkg: error processing python2.3_2.3.5-3sarge2_i386.deb (--install): conflicting packages | 13:12 |
| mitchell` | I think installing from source is perhaps a better option. | 13:13 |
| eriolssi | ok, so I have downloaded and unpacked p2.3.3, im switching to non root | 13:14 |
| betabug | you should *always* be in non-root ;-) | 13:16 |
| eriolssi | where and how to edit local directories again, please? adding a "--prefix=/usr/local" in the end of "configure && make && make install"? | 13:16 |
| eriolssi | yes, I know.. : ) | 13:17 |
| betabug | hmm, that error message is funny - are you sure you don't have python 2.3 already somewhere? | 13:17 |
| eriolssi | welll - the directories and binaries SEEMS to be there... but system is trying to tell me, that it has been purged.. | 13:18 |
| betabug | as for --prefix ... you make a local directory in that user's home directory and then you give the path to that directory with --prefix=/home/someuser/mypython or so | 13:18 |
| betabug | aha | 13:18 |
| eriolssi | dpkg -i of zope2.7 wont let me intall it: | 13:18 |
| betabug | don't worry, you'll install zope2.7 from source too :-) | 13:19 |
| eriolssi | zope2.7 depends on python2.3 (>= 2.3.2); however: Package python2.3 is not installed. zope2.7 depends on python2.3-xml; however: Package python2.3-xml is not installed. | 13:19 |
| betabug | yes, forget those package manager things for a while | 13:20 |
| eriolssi | ok. thank you VERY much for your help | 13:20 |
| betabug | no problem :-) | 13:20 |
| betabug | I would suggest making 3 directories for that user: 1. python 2. zope27 (where you will install zope27 3. the zope instance | 13:21 |
| betabug | nothing of this should need root access | 13:21 |
| eriolssi | in /home/username right? | 13:22 |
| betabug | yes | 13:22 |
| eriolssi | cant be for example in /var/www or so? : / | 13:23 |
| betabug | for installing zope27, again you do configure --with-python=/path/to/your/new/python --prefix=/home/username/zope27 && make && make install | 13:23 |
| betabug | well, on my server it's in /var/zope | 13:23 |
| betabug | but it doesn't matter really | 13:23 |
| eriolssi | im just trying to make it clean (for other potenciall users/roots - dont want to put it into my home but make it more universal... | 13:25 |
| betabug | right | 13:25 |
| betabug | well, then give /var/zope permissions for the user who will run the zope service and install it all in there | 13:25 |
| eriolssi | doe | 13:27 |
| eriolssi | done | 13:27 |
| eriolssi | forgive me, but Im just not smart enough today i guess - the --prefix: I will add it to the make configure install command or edit it somewhere? | 13:28 |
| betabug | configure --prefix=/some/path | 13:28 |
| betabug | make | 13:29 |
| betabug | make install | 13:29 |
| betabug | ^ that's how it works | 13:29 |
| eriolssi | ok, im doing it! | 13:29 |
| betabug | the && is ust there to be able to write it all on one line | 13:29 |
| betabug | learning some unix skills in the process :-) | 13:29 |
| eriolssi | i know that, but aside, i really dont have expirience with compiling and installing programs from source.. | 13:31 |
| mitchell` | not just to write it all on one line, but to also only execute the next part if the previous part succeeded :) | 13:31 |
| eriolssi | i ran ./configure --prefix=/var/zope/python2.3 | 13:31 |
| eriolssi | ./configure: line 89: conf6558.sh: Permission denied | 13:31 |
| eriolssi | ./configure: line 90: conf6558.sh: Permission denied chmod: cannot access `conf6558.sh': No such file or directory | 13:31 |
| betabug | hmmm, weird | 13:32 |
| betabug | never seen that | 13:32 |
| eriolssi | maybe because im NOT root? | 13:32 |
| betabug | no, configure is always run as a normal user | 13:33 |
| betabug | does the user have permissions in the directory where you unpacked the python source? | 13:36 |
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| eriolssi | problem solved | 13:37 |
| eriolssi | Im an idiot | 13:37 |
| eriolssi | of course that python source was owned by root... | 13:37 |
| betabug | what was it? | 13:37 |
| betabug | aha | 13:37 |
| eriolssi | going bach to configure.. | 13:39 |
| eriolssi | hmmm "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" | 13:40 |
| betabug | well, yeah, it needs gcc I guess | 13:40 |
| eriolssi | Im sure the system has it - how do I deliver a path to configure? | 13:41 |
| mitchell` | apt-get install build-essential | 13:41 |
| betabug | eriolssi: well, if you can type `gcc` and get a reply, then you have it | 13:42 |
| eriolssi | command not found | 13:42 |
| eriolssi | but | 13:42 |
| eriolssi | ii libgcc1 1:4.1.1-21 GCC support library | 13:42 |
| eriolssi | ii gcc-3.3-base from 3.3 to 4.4 installed | 13:42 |
| eriolssi | thats not it? | 13:42 |
| betabug | dunno, mitchell` seems to know this system better :-) | 13:43 |
| betabug | I'm a BSD guy :-) | 13:43 |
| betabug | I think it's unlikely that it's installed but not in your PATH | 13:43 |
| mitchell` | it should be in /usr/bin | 13:44 |
| betabug | and then it's unlikely that /usr/bin is not in your PATH :-) | 13:45 |
| mitchell` | eriolssi: are you running configure as your current user, you're not sudo-ing or anything? | 13:45 |
| eriolssi | i was running that configure as current user | 13:45 |
| eriolssi | so do I have to try intall that build-essetinals? | 13:45 |
| mitchell` | could you run "echo $PATH" and check /usr/bin is in it? | 13:45 |
| eriolssi | as user? | 13:46 |
| mitchell` | eriolssi: it looks like you have gcc, but not sure why it isn't finding it. | 13:46 |
| mitchell` | eriolssi: as the current user, yes | 13:46 |
| eriolssi | echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/java/bin:/usr/local/tomcat/bin:/usr/local/ant/bin:/usr/local/openxchange/bin:/usr/local/openxchange/sbin | 13:47 |
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| eriolssi | but typing gcc gives back command not foukd | 13:47 |
| eriolssi | *found | 13:47 |
| mitchell` | strange | 13:47 |
| eriolssi | should i Install this? The following NEW packages will be installed: binutils{a} build-essential dpkg-dev{a} g++{a} g++-4.3{a} gcc{a} gcc-4.3{a} libc6-dev{a} libgomp1{a} libstdc++6-4.3-dev{a} | 13:48 |
| eriolssi | i dont wont to screw up that system (install as little as possible) | 13:49 |
| betabug | if you break it, you can always say "this guy on IRC told me to" ;-) | 13:49 |
| mitchell` | you will need binutils, build-essential and gcc. it will warn you if there are any conflicts and not proceed - that would be the only problem. | 13:50 |
| betabug | but I guess, if it's an official package, it should be ok | 13:50 |
| eriolssi | yeahhhh, I once allready broke one server, trying to force install ob libc6... because "internet guided me so" | 13:50 |
| eriolssi | never more | 13:50 |
| eriolssi | ok, instaling | 13:54 |
| eriolssi | seems done, i will try configure again | 13:55 |
| eriolssi | configure OK | 13:56 |
| mitchell` | \o/ | 13:57 |
| betabug | :-) | 13:57 |
| eriolssi | making ok : ) | 13:59 |
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| betabug | remember, no need for sudo for the `make install` step | 13:59 |
| eriolssi | but that /var/zope/Python2.3 directory still empty, I hope the install will fill it : ) | 13:59 |
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| betabug | yes, install will place the stuff there | 13:59 |
| eriolssi | it sure did : ) | 14:01 |
| eriolssi | ok, done. can I test it somehow? | 14:02 |
| eriolssi | or proceed to manually installing zope2.7? | 14:02 |
| betabug | you can run the python interpreter in that directory | 14:02 |
| betabug | probably /var/zope/Python2.3/bin/python | 14:02 |
| betabug | should give you a python prompt | 14:02 |
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| eriolssi | ive got it! : ) yaaay | 14:05 |
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| betabug | :-) | 14:05 |
| eriolssi | now installing zope2.7 manually the same way? | 14:06 |
| betabug | yes | 14:06 |
| eriolssi | any idea where to download it? i mean the source | 14:07 |
| betabug | for configure you will need --with-python=/path/to/that/python and --prefix=... | 14:07 |
| eriolssi | ok, great, thank you | 14:07 |
| betabug | hmm, where did they put that link? | 14:08 |
| betabug | http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/swpackage_releases | 14:08 |
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| betabug | 2.7.7 seems to be the latest 2.7 release | 14:09 |
| eriolssi | this? http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.0/ | 14:09 |
| betabug | no, 2.7.7 | 14:10 |
| eriolssi | or that instance will be working with http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.7/ ? | 14:10 |
| eriolssi | OK | 14:10 |
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| eriolssi | that --with-python= leads to bin file correct? | 14:17 |
| betabug | hmm, probably | 14:18 |
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| eriolssi | oh, crap "The Python interpreter you are using does not appear to have the 'zlib' library module installed. For Zope to be able to run, you must install a Python interpreter which includes the zlib module, or install the zlib library into your Python interpreter manually. " | 14:18 |
| betabug | ugh | 14:18 |
| betabug | dunno, every time I installed python from source it had zlib | 14:19 |
| betabug | maybe something wasn't found on the system | 14:20 |
| betabug | time for food here, bbl | 14:31 |
| eriolssi | okay, good appetite | 14:38 |
| eriolssi | i will try to find out how to get there a zlib | 14:39 |
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| eriolssi | betabug are you here? | 16:08 |
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| betabug | yepp, I'm back :-) | 16:08 |
| eriolssi | looks like I solved id! | 16:08 |
| eriolssi | *it | 16:08 |
| betabug | great! | 16:08 |
| eriolssi | about that python and zlib - strange, I had it in usr/include | 16:08 |
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| eriolssi | but anyway, I did two things: | 16:09 |
| eriolssi | 1) installed zlib-dev | 16:09 |
| eriolssi | 2) compiled python with configure --with-zlib=/usr/include | 16:09 |
| eriolssi | by this howto http://www.1stbyte.com/2005/06/26/configure-and-compile-python-with-zlib/ | 16:09 |
| eriolssi | then zope2.7 make and install worked OK | 16:10 |
| betabug | probably you had zlib, but not the header files needed for developemnt (hence "zlib-dev") | 16:10 |
| betabug | great | 16:10 |
| betabug | now you need to move (or copy) your instance with the db and everything there | 16:10 |
| betabug | and then edit the paths for python and zope to point to your "new" stuff | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | then I had to create instance and copy there my site backup... little trouble with zope.conf but I made it work : ) | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | yes.. just done that | 16:11 |
| betabug | great! | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | site is up and working! | 16:11 |
| betabug | so it all works now? | 16:11 |
| betabug | GREAT!!! | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | but... still some warnings in log... | 16:11 |
| betabug | what warnings? | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | it WORKS! | 16:11 |
| eriolssi | but i rather past these warnings | 16:11 |
| betabug | sure, put them on a pastebin | 16:11 |
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| eriolssi | http://darkarid.ufouni.cz/tmp/zope/zope-log.txt | 16:15 |
| eriolssi | (i dont know what pastebin is?) | 16:15 |
| betabug | rtf2xml <- it's looking for some converter library | 16:15 |
| betabug | pastebin is a site to (temporarily) publish a bit of text on the web ("paste") | 16:16 |
| betabug | "Warning: no Python Imaging Libraries (PIL) found" <- something else to install in your python, PIL | 16:17 |
| eriolssi | that name says it, but what is the url? | 16:17 |
| betabug | hmm, where is PIL these days, probably look for it on pypi.org | 16:17 |
| eriolssi | rtf2xml is a system library or python? | 16:17 |
| betabug | "Converter program 'xlhtml' not found for 'MSExcel' attachments! Indexing and preview won't work" <- some other converter library | 16:18 |
| betabug | probably a python module, dunno | 16:18 |
| eriolssi | maybe that python-xml (zope2.7 package wanted that) | 16:18 |
| eriolssi | ? | 16:18 |
| betabug | "ZODB Could not import class 'TextIndexNG' from module 'Products.TextIndexNG2.TextIndexNG' | 16:18 |
| betabug | " | 16:18 |
| betabug | TextIndexNG probably needed some manual install stuff too, check the readme that is in its folder | 16:19 |
| betabug | so there are 3 things: | 16:19 |
| betabug | 1. PIL (a version that works with python 2.3) | 16:19 |
| betabug | 2. rtf2xml (some conversion library for python, I guess) | 16:20 |
| betabug | 3. xlhtml for Excel conversion | 16:21 |
| betabug | oh, and 4. TextIndexNG | 16:21 |
| betabug | the lxhtml thing is from a product called AttachmentField, check the README there | 16:22 |
| eriolssi | ok, thanks | 16:22 |
| eriolssi | TextIndexNG is Product too, right? | 16:22 |
| betabug | rtf2xml is from PortalTransforms Product probably | 16:22 |
| betabug | yes | 16:22 |
| eriolssi | but site seems to work anyway.. | 16:22 |
| betabug | basically your zope is up and running, but some products complain about some stuff | 16:23 |
| betabug | well, the rtf2xml and lxhtml stuff will break when people try to attach documents | 16:23 |
| eriolssi | yes, but they are copy and pasted.. So i guess it has to be because of python..? | 16:23 |
| betabug | the TextIndexNG will probably break when you try to start search on the site or try indexing stuff | 16:23 |
| betabug | IIRC TextIndexNG required some compilation of a python module or so | 16:24 |
| betabug | and the others are probably python modules that need installing | 16:24 |
| betabug | http://plone.org/documentation/kb/integrating-office-files <- this is one of those things | 16:24 |
| eriolssi | ok, thank you | 16:25 |
| betabug | no problem :-) | 16:25 |
| eriolssi | I try search and it works (if by "works" you mean COMPLETELY irrelevant search results - its not google) : ) | 16:25 |
| betabug | haha | 16:26 |
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| eriolssi | generally - python module is something integrated into specific python installation? how do you add one? (I know almost nothing about python) | 16:27 |
| eriolssi | and product installations - is it enough just to untar them into Products dir, or they have to be installed? | 16:28 |
| betabug | yeah, they are installed into a specific python install | 16:28 |
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| betabug | most Zope Products are only untarred, some rare ones (like TextIndexNG) need some special install instructions | 16:28 |
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| betabug | python libraries used to be untarred into a "site-packages" dir into the python install | 16:29 |
| betabug | nowadays there are tools like "easy_install" or "pip" that do that for you | 16:29 |
| eriolssi | ok, i will stop bothering you and just read their readme : ) | 16:30 |
| betabug | hahaha, ok! | 16:31 |
| betabug | anyway, if you want that site to stay around, you should think about migrating to a newer plone | 16:31 |
| betabug | but then I can't help you any more, I don't really have plone experience | 16:31 |
| betabug | there are lots of other experts on that out there though (e.g. on #plone ) | 16:32 |
| eriolssi | I understand.. Anyway upgrading site is out of the question now, i guess | 16:32 |
| eriolssi | okay | 16:32 |
| betabug | ok | 16:32 |
| eriolssi | but.... difference between plone and zope is? I know its closely related, but i dont really know much about it | 16:32 |
| betabug | zope is an application server | 16:33 |
| betabug | plone is an application running on top of zope | 16:33 |
| eriolssi | providing CMF | 16:33 |
| betabug | I use zope, but with other applications | 16:33 |
| eriolssi | right? | 16:33 |
| betabug | yeah, plone is a CMF more or less | 16:34 |
| J1m | mcdonc, ayt? | 16:34 |
| eriolssi | so you can use Zope and not Plone? | 16:34 |
| eriolssi | but not vice versa | 16:34 |
| betabug | yes | 16:34 |
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| eriolssi | so plone = products Im using.. | 16:36 |
| betabug | yupp, probably with a couple of plone add-ons | 16:36 |
| eriolssi | and what are plone alternatives - you said you use other apps | 16:36 |
| betabug | well, not exactly "alternatives", I do other stuff | 16:37 |
| betabug | mostly business applications | 16:37 |
| betabug | but my own site has a couple of blogs and wikis and other small stuff - see http://betabug.ch/blogs/ch-athens | 16:38 |
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| eriolssi | I will chech it out, thanks | 16:39 |
| betabug | you're welcome! | 16:39 |
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| eriolssi | betabug: going home, so once again thanks and bye! | 17:34 |
| betabug | you're welcome! have a nice evening! | 17:34 |
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| * kosh sets betabug on fire and hands out cookie dough | 17:39 | |
| betabug | mjam! | 17:39 |
| betabug | hey kosh! | 17:39 |
| kosh | so how is life going? | 17:40 |
| betabug | how's life? having fun at uni? | 17:40 |
| betabug | doing fine here | 17:40 |
| kosh | on my last week, finals start on saturday | 17:40 |
| betabug | nice | 17:41 |
| kosh | also my excel project won as the best project in my class as a reward I got a perry handbook for chemical engineering it is about 2600 pages and costs about $200 | 17:42 |
| kosh | very cool book | 17:42 |
| betabug | that's a big wad of paper :-) | 17:43 |
| kosh | yes it is a very heavy book | 17:43 |
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| kosh | but it is a cool award at least :) | 17:46 |
| kosh | so how have you been doing? | 17:47 |
| betabug | my little company is coming along fine | 17:47 |
| kosh | have you joined the underground to wipe out the government yet? | 17:47 |
| betabug | starting on a django project with a friend | 17:47 |
| kosh | maybe build some killbots | 17:47 |
| betabug | haha, here *everybody* is the underground | 17:48 |
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| kosh | betabug: well just build the killbots then | 17:56 |
| betabug | yupp | 17:56 |
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| kosh | see you freaks later, off to class | 18:01 |
| betabug | hf kosh! | 18:01 |
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| mcdonc | J1m: pong | 19:24 |
| J1m | mcdonc, I wanted to discuss the zc.buildout egg for 3.3. Hopefully, I did what you needed. | 19:25 |
| mitchell` | hey J1m, did you get a chance to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/583752 at all? | 19:26 |
| _mup_ | Bug #583752: extra_requires of recipes not always installed <Buildout:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/583752 > | 19:26 |
| mitchell` | _mup_ is smart. | 19:27 |
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| J1m | mitchell`, no | 19:27 |
| mitchell` | I've since realised the patch I provided isn't exactly ideal and pkg_resources is partly to blame, but I've not had chance to correct it yet | 19:29 |
| J1m | It would be good to note that in the issue, if you haven't yet. | 19:30 |
| J1m | But I'm afraid It's going to be a while before I get some buildout time. | 19:30 |
| mcdonc | J1m: yep, thanks.. it gets me farther at least | 19:30 |
| mcdonc | i'll have to go troll around in the guts on the py3.3 trunk i think; site.py behavior appears to have changed (bin/buildout cant import zc.buildout).. fun. | 19:36 |
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| mcdonc | but the egg itself works fine | 19:37 |
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| J1m | mcdonc, I think the site behavior may have changed to help zc.buildout :) | 20:15 |
| J1m | or virtualenv, or both | 20:15 |
| J1m | I remember discussing it at pycon. | 20:15 |
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| mcdonc | ok | 20:38 |
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| J1m | benji, ayt? | 21:32 |
| benji | J1m: yep, but on the phone, can I get back with you in 20 minutes or so? | 21:32 |
| J1m | sure | 21:33 |
| J1m | benji, never mind, I think I figured something out. | 21:34 |
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| TresEquis | J1m, a quick question: do you have any memory of the intended use of the 'deferred' method on interface objects? | 22:21 |
| TresEquis | It isn't mentioned in doctests, and seems to be really ancient | 22:21 |
| J1m | hm, I'll look | 22:21 |
| TresEquis | it generates an old-style class of the same name, populated with Method objects copied from the interface and its bases | 22:21 |
| TresEquis | and caches it, which seems strange | 22:22 |
| TresEquis | given that I can't recall ever seeing it used | 22:22 |
| J1m | That sounds fishy. | 22:22 |
| J1m | Great, I'm blamed. Hopefully, that's just a result of it being really old. | 22:24 |
| J1m | That sounds like something twisted would want. :) | 22:24 |
| J1m | nope | 22:25 |
| J1m | I don't recall that. | 22:25 |
| TresEquis | looks like your fingerprints are on it in CVS too | 22:26 |
| J1m | If it isn't tested, I'd post a node to zope-dev and interface-dev saying we're going to delete it and see if anyone complains. | 22:26 |
| J1m | Oh great. | 22:26 |
| TresEquis | at least, all the way back to 1.2 | 22:27 |
| J1m | whimper | 22:27 |
| TresEquis | The only mention of it on the trunk is in zope/interface/tests/unitfixtures.py | 22:28 |
| TresEquis | class A(I1.deferred()): | 22:28 |
| J1m | hm, so maybe it's there to support the tests. | 22:29 |
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| TresEquis | and the only direct mention is an assertion that the method descriptor object copied in the class raises a BrokenImplementation | 22:30 |
| TresEquis | any rate, I'm working again on coverage and docs cleanup, and wanted to figure out what it was there for | 22:31 |
| J1m | I'm for getting rid of it. | 22:36 |
| TresEquis | sounds good to me | 22:39 |
| TresEquis | is interface-dev still alive? | 22:39 |
| J1m | officially :) | 22:40 |
| TresEquis | two real posts in the last eighteen months | 22:41 |
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| TresEquis | "He's dead, J1m" | 22:41 |
| J1m | k | 22:41 |
| TresEquis | but I guess CC'ing it wouldn't hurt any ;) | 22:42 |
| J1m | That will increase the post count! | 22:42 |
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| TresEquis | done | 22:46 |
| J1m | Thanks. | 22:54 |
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