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| phimic | hi all | 14:08 |
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| phimic | what is the best method to backup blobs with multiple zodb storages | 14:08 |
| phimic | plone.recipe.backup is good for one zodb but not for multiple | 14:09 |
| fredvd | phimic: can't you add a second section in your buildout with plone.recipe.backup then for the second zodb/blobstorage? | 14:27 |
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| fredvd | you can also turn of/on blob or zodb backup in every place where you use the recipe | 14:28 |
| maurits | Did anyone mention the backup recipe? :-) | 14:29 |
| maurits | Author here. | 14:29 |
| * maurits waves at colleague Fred. | 14:29 | |
| fredvd | ;-) | 14:29 |
| fredvd | phimic: ^^ | 14:30 |
| maurits | phimic: this has some hints: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.recipe.backup#blob-storage | 14:31 |
| maurits | The example [blobbackup] section should be useful. | 14:31 |
| maurits | You might need a few backup sections to get the commands tailored to your needs. | 14:32 |
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| phimic | ok so in need multiple sections for each zodb | 14:39 |
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| maurits | Well, for multiple zodb one section would be enough: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.recipe.backup#advanced-usage-multiple-data-fs-files | 14:41 |
| maurits | But if that includes multiple blob storages, then I think you need an extra section. | 14:41 |
| maurits | U(unless the recipe is smarter than I remember making it. ;-) | 14:42 |
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| mlechner | hi, zope2: trying to upload a *.ogg file content-type should be audio/ogg but zope detects it as video/ogg. Where can extension/content-type mapping be configured? | 17:57 |
| betabug | mlechner: in the ZMI? or using some product? | 17:59 |
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| mlechner | betabug, in ZMI. Later on the fileobject is stored in a LocalFS - the content type there can be configured, but where to configure the "default" zope internal mapping? | 18:00 |
| betabug | hmmm, I don't remember right now | 18:01 |
| betabug | I remember I mucked around with this stuff in the past, but it's been some years | 18:01 |
| mlechner | the fileobject is stored in a session first and transfered to LocalFS later on. | 18:01 |
| betabug | sorry for not being more helpful | 18:01 |
| mlechner | thnx anyway. may be somebody else | 18:01 |
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| mgedmin | recursive greps over the source tree can answer all sorts of questions | 18:04 |
| betabug | hmm, looking very briefly at my old code, I think in the case where I had to change things, I just changed the content_type attribute after uploading | 18:05 |
| betabug | anyway, gotta run | 18:05 |
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| bigkevmcd | isn't ogv the common naming for ogg video? | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | I've also seen ogm | 18:21 |
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| mgedmin | bug in Products.MimetypesRegistry maybe? | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | it has this huge xml file with MIME types and autodetection rules | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | both audio/ogg and video/ogg (or, actually, subtypes audio/x-vorbis+ogg, audio/x-flac+ogg, audio/x-speex+ogg, video/x-theora+ogg) contain <glob pattern="*.ogg"/> | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | they also contain <magic> that looks for some byte values at certain offsets | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | if the Python code ignores <magic> and blindly applies <glob>, then it will detect *.ogg as one of application/ogg, audio/ogg, video/ogg, depending on the order of matching | 18:26 |
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| * mgedmin is completely unfamiliar with Zope 2 mime type handling | 18:26 | |
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| bigkevmcd | yeah, I haven't looked at it in a very long time | 18:31 |
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| anykey | Can someone point men to the best book to learn zope? I can do python at a reasonable level, but have no experience with zope. | 18:33 |
| anykey | s/men/me/ | 18:33 |
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| bigkevmcd | anykey: I suspect the most up-to-date Zope books are probably books on Plone | 18:40 |
| bigkevmcd | which is unfortunate, but perhaps reflects the current place of Zope on the software life-cycle curve | 18:41 |
| anykey | I am reading the packt book right now, and I kinda wondered if there was a good book on zope because of it | 18:41 |
| anykey | professional plone4 development | 18:41 |
| anykey | thanks anyway. | 18:42 |
| anykey | wait. Do you imply that zope is near its end by saying that? | 18:45 |
| giacomos | anykey: there's the bit outdated-but-evergreen "Zope2Book", there's "web component development with zope3", there's the Zope 3 book (or something like that) | 18:46 |
| giacomos | it is not at its end | 18:47 |
| anykey | I have Web Component Development with Zope 3, but I thought Zope 3 was discontinued? | 18:47 |
| giacomos | it is | 18:47 |
| anykey | but the book is still good? | 18:47 |
| giacomos | but all zope3 concept have been backported | 18:47 |
| anykey | ah | 18:47 |
| anykey | I have a customer interested in plone, so I figure I will have to learn that stuff, after all. | 18:48 |
| anykey | okay, I have another stupid question, being the newb I am: Would it be wise to hold my breath regarding zope for py3k anytime soon? | 18:50 |
| anykey | I mean, it says at some points in the docs that py3k is not supported, but that might change in the future, and IRC is mostly current in information (ok, and in rumors), so it can't hurt to ask. | 18:52 |
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| giacomos | you would die for lack of oxigen | 18:53 |
| anykey | ok, so I'm just gonna have both for a while longer. | 18:53 |
| giacomos | atm there's no roadmap for that transition | 18:54 |
| giacomos | for what I'm aware of, at least | 18:54 |
| anykey | well that, in most cases, translates for a lack of manpower (or interest in the subject)... | 18:54 |
| anykey | thanks again. | 18:55 |
| giacomos | ...or too heavy job...consider that this is not exactly the last "joomla" of the earth | 18:55 |
| giacomos | btw...."press any key" :D | 18:56 |
| anykey | that may be, but joomla! is never going to see my server. We have a strict no-php policy around here. | 18:57 |
| mlechner | thnx, betabug, bigkevmcd, ... for this helpful discussion. | 18:58 |
| anykey | this is a non-debatable, almost religious issue. Out tech chief is stubborn about that. | 18:58 |
| anykey | I like pyramid, that led me to zope, and tech chief is happy. | 18:59 |
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| giacomos | great, I like to ear someone coming back to origins | 19:01 |
| giacomos | though don't confuse pyramid with zope and don't expect the same agility...zope is older and greater, and in the end it has different target | 19:03 |
| anykey | well there will probably be a reason why pyramid uses some parts of zope. Can't be that bad. | 19:03 |
| giacomos | the first and main reason is that pyramid's author was part of the Zope3 devel team and a ZopeC. employee | 19:05 |
| anykey | code reuse is in most cases desirable. maybe there would have been other options. | 19:07 |
| anykey | but it cant hurt to look into it. | 19:07 |
| giacomos | and after all Zope has been for many years one of the biggest python projects and it lead the python devel (willy-nilly) | 19:07 |
| anykey | yeah, and I feel like it's hard to get into. | 19:07 |
| anykey | that might just be because I have never had a proper introduction to it. | 19:08 |
| giacomos | that's a good point | 19:08 |
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| anykey | I'm working on that. | 19:09 |
| giacomos | I'd really suggest to read the Zope2book....it's still interesting in many parts | 19:09 |
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| giacomos | you may be interested in this too --> http://collective-docs.plone.org/en/latest/zope_secrets/index.html | 19:11 |
| mcdonc | i wasnt part of the zope3 dev team, but i was a part of the zope2 dev team | 19:11 |
| giacomos | sorry :) | 19:11 |
| anykey | The zope 2 book. Is that its official title? | 19:13 |
| anykey | ah it's on the internet | 19:13 |
| anykey | nvm | 19:13 |
| giacomos | btw I always had this question, it's just for curiosity: if you had not been a zope employee, you would have based pyramid on zope technologies anyway? | 19:14 |
| giacomos | I mean a zope2 dev...forget about the employee | 19:15 |
| anykey | iirc pylons was already based on zope. | 19:16 |
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| mcdonc | giacomos: i probably wouldn't have no, but that'd just be because i wouldn't have known how it works | 19:17 |
| mcdonc | pylons never depended on any zope stuff | 19:17 |
| giacomos | good answer | 19:17 |
| anykey | it didnt? okay then I misremembered. | 19:18 |
| mcdonc | not until we came along and pissed in the brand pool anyway ;-) | 19:18 |
| anykey | I also thought I saw zope things within twisted, I could be wrong though, and that's also a large project. | 19:21 |
| giacomos | maybe...after all some zope's technologies are so indipendent that there's even a deb package for zope.interface | 19:23 |
| anykey | so, gtg now, wife is about to return home... and hungry. thanks bigkevmcd, giacomos and mcdonc. | 19:25 |
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| giacomos | yw | 19:25 |
| giacomos | he was right...it turned out that twisted has a dependency on zope.interface | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | oh zope 2, why don't you have "Import as"? | 19:29 |
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