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| jbwiv | guys, what's the best way to come up to speed relatively quickly on zope? | 18:15 |
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| giacomos | read faster :) | 18:17 |
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| mgedmin | which zope? zope 2? | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | ttw? filesystem-based product development? | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | maintaining existing apps/sites? developing something new (in which case WHY ON EARTH WOULD ANYONE PICK ZOPE??!?!?!?) | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | sorry, some steam vented out through my ears there by accident | 18:37 |
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| jbwiv | mgedmin, hah...is it that bad? | 18:43 |
| jbwiv | I'm primarily interested in understanding it as it's used in zenoss | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | let's just say I've become a bit disillusioned over the last 10 years | 18:43 |
| jbwiv | but thought it would make sense to learn more about it in general | 18:43 |
| jbwiv | mgedmin, I understand how that goes ;) | 18:43 |
| betabug | jbwiv: docs.zope.org -> Zope 2 book | 18:44 |
| betabug | and there's a link to a file called "secrets" somewhere | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | though I was mostly working with the Promised Holy Grail of Zope 3 That Will Fix All The Mistakes of Zope 2 Surely Any Day Now | 18:44 |
| betabug | mgedmin: hahaha, *right* | 18:44 |
| jbwiv | lol....ok | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | Zope 2 TTW was the most fun instant-feedback dev environment I've ever seen | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | shame about the lack of any kind of sane version control integration | 18:45 |
| betabug | yeah, it had its upsides | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | (TTW = Through The Web, aka edit Python snippets and templates via a browser form -- or ExternalEditor, that was also a fun thing before it broke) | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | Pylons with bin/paster serve --reload came close, but wasn't seamless -- I could press Alt-Tab, F5 fast enough and catch the webserver being down while it was being restarted | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | and Pyramid restarts seem to be slightly slower than Pylons ones, although I haven't measured exactly | 18:47 |
| betabug | dunno, never tried pylons | 18:47 |
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| sm | morning | 19:19 |
| betabug | hey sm | 19:19 |
| sm | Zope 2, we've grown apart, but I'll always love you! | 19:21 |
| betabug | yeah | 19:22 |
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| mcdonc | zope2 is back and it's pissed... http://substanced.repoze.org/ .. although, sorry, no ttw dev | 19:46 |
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| sm | nice mcdonc! | 20:02 |
| supton | mcdonc: feature request... I need ZClasses... can you please add those | 20:05 |
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| sm | http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/substanced/en/latest/intro.html | 20:06 |
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| mcdonc | supton: i suspect you can contract that ONE GUY ON THE ZOPE MAILLIST WHO CONTINUES TALKING ABOUT THEM EVEN TODAY | 20:09 |
| supton | hah | 20:09 |
| supton | need zombie repellant for that kind of thing | 20:10 |
| mcdonc | it is truly fascinating | 20:11 |
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