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| VladDrac | what's a 'hookable object'? | 11:35 | 
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| projekt01 | Is this correct, a layer is inherited form like IBrowserRequest? | 17:43 | 
| projekt01 | Then the IBrowserRequest is a IHTTPRequest | 17:44 | 
| projekt01 | In the directive zope:view is the request used as the attribute type, which is the request type | 17:45 | 
| projekt01 | Like IHTTPRequest | 17:45 | 
| projekt01 | There is also a attribute layer in the zope:view directive | 17:46 | 
| projekt01 | Which is the same like the type | 17:46 | 
| projekt01 | Do I get it right? Is the layer attribute obsolate since srichter's refactoring on layers? | 17:47 | 
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| VladDrac | is zope.app.observable usable outside of zope3? | 18:01 | 
| SteveA | projekt01: zope:view probably shouldn't have a layer, just a type | 18:02 | 
| SteveA | projekt01: browser:view should have a layer | 18:02 | 
| SteveA | browser:view should enforce that the layer extends IBrowserRequest | 18:03 | 
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| VladDrac | hmm guess not - depends on Persistent | 18:08 | 
| srichter | zope:view has the layer for legancy reasons | 18:11 | 
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| philiKON | VladDrac, zope.app.observable has been ripped out long ago | 18:21 | 
| philiKON | where did you find it? | 18:21 | 
| philiKON | ah, it's still on the trunk | 18:22 | 
| philiKON | last time i tried it it was broken | 18:22 | 
| mgedmin | principal IDs, titles and descriptions are TextLines, therefore unicode -- but ErrorReportingUtility does str() on them all | 18:22 | 
| philiKON | ouch | 18:22 | 
| VladDrac | is there anything implementing similar functionality in zope3? | 18:22 | 
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| philiKON | VladDrac, you need events to be dispatched only for certain instances, i presume? | 18:25 | 
| philiKON | theoretically, observable is the right direction (annotations). i think it just needs to be debugged | 18:25 | 
| philiKON | i can't remember what the problem was | 18:25 | 
| philiKON | there might be emails to zope3-dev, or a collector issue | 18:26 | 
| philiKON | in any case, it was reported by myself, that i can remember | 18:26 | 
| * mgedmin files a bug report | 18:26 | |
| mgedmin | http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/377 | 18:28 | 
| VladDrac | phil: certain instances or all instances of a certain type | 18:30 | 
| projekt01 | srichter, SteveA, thanks, I see | 18:36 | 
| philiKON | VladDrac, well, subscribing to the combination of (Event interface, Object interface) is already possible with subscribers | 18:41 | 
| philiKON | VladDrac, only the per-instance thing not (that's what observable does) | 18:41 | 
| philiKON | you might be able to fix it though | 18:41 | 
| VladDrac | hmm ok | 18:44 | 
| SteveA | projekt01: feel free to write a collector issue for it | 18:48 | 
| philiKON | SteveA, projekt01, srichter, the usage of zope:view's layer attribute should just raise a deprecationwarning and that "feature" should be removed from 3.2 or 3.3 | 18:51 | 
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| SteveA | mgedmin: did you try out nevow? | 18:57 | 
| mgedmin | no | 18:57 | 
| alga_ | on | 18:57 | 
| SteveA | mgedmin: did you read through the docs on the forms generation stuff? | 18:59 | 
| mgedmin | I think so | 18:59 | 
| Theuni | is it http://www.divmod.org/Home/Projects/Nevow/ ? | 19:00 | 
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