IRC log of #zope3-dev for Thursday, 2005-03-03

« Wednesday, 2005-03-02 Index Friday, 2005-03-04 »
*** mgedmin has quit IRC00:09
*** tvon|desk is now known as tvon00:19
*** srichter has quit IRC00:21
*** mohsenX has joined #zope3-dev00:23
*** jdz_ has quit IRC00:25
*** jdz_ has joined #zope3-dev00:26
*** jdz_ has quit IRC00:42
*** tvon|x31 has joined #zope3-dev00:53
*** srichter has joined #zope3-dev00:57
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o srichter00:58
*** bskahan has quit IRC01:03
*** jhauser has joined #zope3-dev01:19
*** gintas has quit IRC01:25
mohsenXsrichter: Is the PDF version of ZOPE3 book the most updated one?01:27
mohsenXsrichter: I mean the one on zope.org01:27
srichterits all pretty mcuh unedited; I have not been able to upload the revisions from the publisher yet01:28
srichterbest version is the paper one right now01:28
mohsenXalright -- the PDF version is my only choice anyway -- As amazon or other sites do not ship to the place i live. When do you think it will be updated01:31
srichterwhen I get time :-(01:32
srichterif you want to help, I can get you all the access/files you need01:32
mohsenXyou mean by producing a PDF version by those files?01:33
srichterno, update the master TeX files from the Publisher's Word files, so that we can generate updated PDFs01:34
*** jhauser_ has quit IRC01:35
*** niemeyer has quit IRC01:35
mohsenXAh, I wish I could, but unfortunately I dont know TeX - But I can produce the PDF version directly from word sources -- if that helps01:36
srichternaeh, that's not helpful01:37
*** hazmat has quit IRC01:38
mohsenXOkay - i have to wait then01:39
srichtermy TeX is not hard01:48
srichterbut you need to setup the compiler of course (which is trivial under Linux and Windows01:48
mohsenXwhy don't we produce a PDF version direclty?01:52
srichterbecause the word version is unmanagable01:53
srichterand does not produce a quality output01:53
Damascenethey didnt' setup their styles properly?01:54
mohsenXtrue -- but if it going to take monthes maybe it's not bad to have lower-quality pdf :-)01:54
Damascenewhat do you mean by a lower quality output?  screenshot/images were compressed too greatly, etc?01:54
mohsenXDamascene: sritcher told PDF direclty from word does not produce high quality output01:56
srichterright, word sucks01:57
Damascenei'm just wonderign what he means.  i've printed out a lot of nice looking pdfs using word.01:57
Damascenebut it's not really a word issue, but the pdfwriter or you can just send it directly to the pdfwriter printer driver or convert to ps first then pdf (in which case it does lose some colors if you had any).01:58
Damascenelatex to ps to pdf seemed okay too though.01:58
mohsenXand I Dont think a PDF zope book needs to be in high-quality...being updated is more important :-)01:59
*** bradb has quit IRC02:06
*** bradb has joined #zope3-dev02:08
tvon|x31is the online html up to date?02:15
*** mohsenX has quit IRC02:30
srichterno, same reason02:55
srichterthey are all generated from the tex02:55
*** projekt01 has quit IRC03:11
*** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev03:18
*** jdz has joined #zope3-dev03:32
*** hazmat has quit IRC03:45
*** tvon has quit IRC03:56
*** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev04:35
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev04:40
*** BjornT has quit IRC04:45
*** tvon|x31 has quit IRC06:23
WebMavensrichter: did anything happen with the docbook stuff you were going to experiment with?06:26
*** hazmat_ has joined #zope3-dev06:58
*** `anthony has quit IRC07:22
*** `anthony has joined #zope3-dev07:53
*** __gotcha_ has joined #zope3-dev08:04
*** th1a has quit IRC08:04
*** stub has quit IRC08:14
*** __gotcha has quit IRC08:21
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:21
*** d2m has quit IRC08:24
*** stub has quit IRC08:25
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:26
*** stub has quit IRC08:28
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:29
*** stub has quit IRC08:30
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:34
*** stub has quit IRC08:34
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:34
*** stub has joined #zope3-dev08:36
*** `anthony has quit IRC09:30
*** hdima has joined #zope3-dev09:31
*** d2m has joined #zope3-dev09:54
*** Theuni has joined #zope3-dev10:27
*** mexiKON has joined #zope3-dev10:59
*** Theuni has quit IRC11:00
*** dlk has joined #zope3-dev11:02
*** dlk has joined #zope3-dev11:03
*** Theuni has joined #zope3-dev11:05
*** philiKON has quit IRC11:08
*** projekt01 has joined #zope3-dev11:26
srichterWebMaven: no12:12
srichterWebMaven: I might take a different approach12:12
*** tav has quit IRC12:41
*** tav has joined #zope3-dev12:42
*** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev12:49
*** tav has quit IRC12:59
*** tav has joined #zope3-dev12:59
*** sgp has joined #zope3-dev13:13
*** sgp has left #zope3-dev13:17
*** BjornT has joined #zope3-dev13:47
*** mexiKON has quit IRC14:13
*** Aiste has quit IRC14:13
*** Aiste has joined #zope3-dev14:13
*** philiKON has joined #zope3-dev14:14
*** tav has quit IRC14:23
*** xena has quit IRC14:23
*** srichter has quit IRC14:25
*** tav has joined #zope3-dev14:26
*** MalcolmC has joined #zope3-dev14:32
*** gintas has joined #zope3-dev14:38
*** The|uni has joined #zope3-dev15:00
*** srichter has joined #zope3-dev15:01
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o srichter15:02
*** `anthony has joined #zope3-dev15:13
*** Theuni has quit IRC15:29
*** niemeyer has joined #zope3-dev15:40
*** alga has joined #zope3-dev15:41
*** gintas has quit IRC15:56
*** Homeblia is now known as Workblia16:09
*** hdima has quit IRC16:54
*** mkerrin has joined #zope3-dev17:06
*** hazmat has quit IRC17:16
*** hazmat_ has quit IRC17:17
*** mgedmin has quit IRC17:18
*** __gotcha_ is now known as __gotcha17:21
*** dlk has quit IRC17:22
* SteveA discovers interesting bug in new-style classes17:34
*** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev17:47
MalcolmCSo are you going to tell us what it is, or just let us find it for ourselves? :)17:59
Workbliait is not a bug :P18:00
*** faassen has joined #zope3-dev18:19
*** stub has left #zope3-dev18:19
*** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev18:22
philiKONho faassen18:23
SteveAWorkblia: really?18:29
SteveAwith a classic class, it says "__init__ must return None"18:29
WorkbliaSteveA, oh, and what if it doesn't ?18:30
SteveAit __init__ returns a value, or is a generator, then you get an error18:31
SteveAwith a new style class, it just silently fails18:31
Workbliawell i just did an init that returns 518:31
Workbliaand it worked18:31
Workbliaso it would seem that it was designet to be tha way18:31
SteveA>>> class Foo:18:32
SteveA...   def __init__(self):18:32
SteveA...     return 518:32
SteveA...18:32
SteveA>>> Foo()18:32
SteveATraceback (most recent call last):18:32
SteveA  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?18:32
SteveATypeError: __init__() should return None18:32
SteveA>>>18:32
Workbliapython 2.3.5 - worked for me18:32
Workblia>>> class Foo(object):18:32
Workblia...     def __init__(self):18:32
Workblia...         return 518:32
Workblia...18:32
Workblia>>> Foo()18:32
Workblia<__main__.Foo object at 0x40224bec>18:32
Workbliaso the generator is not failing too18:33
Workblianaturally18:33
SteveA>>> class Foo(object):18:34
SteveA...   def __init__(self):18:34
SteveA...     print "xxx"18:34
SteveA...     yield 518:34
SteveA...18:34
SteveA>>> Foo()18:34
SteveA<__main__.Foo object at 0xb7e01c6c>18:34
SteveAnote that "xxx" is not printed18:34
Workbliayes it is not18:34
Workbliait is to be expected18:34
SteveAit is printed in the case where you return 518:35
Workbliathe generator is returned18:35
Workbliadef foo():18:35
SteveAso, why do you expect it not to print "xxx" ?18:35
Workblia    yeald 3218:35
philiKONSteveA, because the parser creates a generator, not a function18:35
SteveAoic18:35
SteveAyeah, course18:35
Workblia>>> def foo():18:35
Workblia...     print "xxx"18:35
Workblia...     yield 3218:35
Workblia...18:35
Workblia>>> foo()18:35
Workblia<generator object at 0x4022640c>18:35
SteveAthanks Workblia18:35
Workblia>>>18:35
SteveAI think it is still a bug18:35
SteveAi shall add that clarification to the report18:36
Workbliadon't thank me, it's alga who solved the mistery18:36
SteveAit is a bug because it wasted one of my programmers lots of time working out why his __init__ was never called18:36
philiKONwell, it's a bug about bugs :)18:36
faassena question about traversing in Zope 3..18:37
faassenit seems that ITraverser in zope.app.traversing is not called if you type a URL into the publisher.18:38
faassenthat is, I'm trying to find out what in Zope 3 makes a view pop up if you do not add the @@ or ++view++ in front of it.18:38
SteveAi very much want to separate the URL traversal and object graph traversal18:39
faassenand I was studying Traverser in zope.app.traversing.adapters, but for some reason, this logic does not appear to be called at all times.18:39
SteveAi had a conversation with fred on the mailing list about this a year or so ago18:39
faassenwell, I don't want to improve anything, I just want to know how it works now. :)18:39
SteveAfaassen: zope.app.traversing.adapters is all about object graph traversal iirc18:39
faassenno, it also calls views if you use a namespaced step.18:40
faassenlike /@@foo18:40
faassendefers to various ITraversables registered in zope.app.traversing.namespace18:40
*** BjornT has quit IRC18:40
faassenhowever, it appears the whole logic is not called if you traverse using a URL from the outside. at least not the logic in Traversing.18:40
*** hazmat has quit IRC18:41
SteveAthat depends on whether a URL traverser is set up to use the object graph traverser18:41
faassenwhere are the URL traversers?18:41
faassenI'm talking Zope X3, by the way, though the trunk seems similar.18:41
SteveAin zope.app.publishing i guess18:42
SteveAor publication18:42
mgedminfaassen, those are things thar provide IBrowserPublisher (for BrowserRequests)18:42
SteveAIPublishTraverse18:42
faassenwell, zope.app.publisher or zope.app.publication. :)18:42
SteveAwhich is related18:42
* mgedmin usually recursively greps all zcmls for things providing IBrowserPublisher18:42
faassenthanks, publicationtraverse.py looks like a good place to start looking.18:43
*** mgedmin has quit IRC18:51
*** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev18:51
*** tvon has joined #zope3-dev18:53
*** alga has quit IRC18:55
*** alga has joined #zope3-dev19:13
*** jdz_ has joined #zope3-dev19:18
*** jdz_ has quit IRC19:32
*** gintas has joined #zope3-dev19:52
*** Workblia is now known as ignas20:01
*** ignas is now known as Voblia20:04
*** Voblia is now known as ignas20:04
*** d2m has quit IRC20:33
*** faassen has left #zope3-dev20:36
*** d2m has joined #zope3-dev20:41
*** mkerrin has quit IRC20:47
*** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev21:16
*** tvon has quit IRC21:17
*** tvon has joined #zope3-dev21:59
*** hazmat has quit IRC22:14
*** BjornT has joined #zope3-dev22:21
*** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev22:24
*** ignas is now known as ignas|home22:46
*** mgedmin has quit IRC22:56
*** hazmat has quit IRC23:02
*** gintas has quit IRC23:12
*** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev23:46
« Wednesday, 2005-03-02 Index Friday, 2005-03-04 »

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!