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| OD-away | I wanna look for bugs :) | 01:44 |
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| __odie | someday ... when I have learned enough :) | 01:51 |
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| srichter | __odie: bugs in Zope 3? | 03:16 |
| srichter | __odie: btw, how is the benchmarking with psyco going? | 03:16 |
| __odie | srichter: yea eventually id like to get involved in development, but I am milse away from understanding enough ... ive been looking to get involved again in some OS projects | 03:17 |
| __odie | and as far as psycho, I havent tried anything yet :) I need to make some kind of benchmarking suite I guess | 03:18 |
| srichter | __odie: I think the easiest way of finding problems is by developing an application using Zope 3 | 03:18 |
| srichter | actually, there is a run.py script, where you can call a URL x times | 03:18 |
| srichter | and it will give you some benchmarks, I think | 03:19 |
| __odie | I was planning on that actually, in a few weeks here when ive threshed out my design | 03:19 |
| srichter | what are you working on? | 03:19 |
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| __odie | its kind of hard to explain ... let me think abuot the best way to phrase it for just a second ... | 03:21 |
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| __odie | srichter: know much about construction especially waterworks? hehe | 03:22 |
| srichter | I know a bit about construction as my dad is a civil eng. and I am a physicist :-) | 03:22 |
| __odie | great! the program automates some of the bidding process | 03:23 |
| srichter | like for public bidding? | 03:23 |
| __odie | nah, more like inhouse stuff | 03:24 |
| srichter | what type of bidding though? | 03:24 |
| srichter | contractors for jobs? | 03:24 |
| __odie | actually, bidding on parts. When you are building a building, say, you have companies bid on bundles of parts (say pipes, tiles, etc) | 03:25 |
| __odie | the program assists the people who generate THOSE bids | 03:26 |
| srichter | ohh, ok | 03:26 |
| srichter | so I guess the process is similar to public bidding, just on a different scale | 03:26 |
| __odie | it just gets really complicated when you try to imagine a schema which can store any possible construction part | 03:26 |
| srichter | right | 03:27 |
| srichter | that would be a great zope.schema acid test :-) | 03:27 |
| __odie | we'll see If I can figure it out :) | 03:27 |
| srichter | I guess you would categorize the parts and create derived schemas | 03:28 |
| __odie | a schema for each type of part? even that would be impossible ... :) its quite a problem :) | 03:29 |
| srichter | yeah | 03:29 |
| srichter | really? | 03:29 |
| srichter | I mean creating flexible schemas is not that big of an issue | 03:30 |
| srichter | so basically you build a schema for each part | 03:30 |
| __odie | well, im planning on cheating right now :) | 03:30 |
| srichter | but then the tricky thing is that indexing and searching becomes a problem | 03:30 |
| srichter | since you have no standard fields | 03:30 |
| __odie | yea! exactly | 03:31 |
| srichter | unless you create type of fields | 03:31 |
| srichter | so you can create fields that will contribute to a full-text index of the part for example | 03:31 |
| __odie | well, I think I have it worked out more or less. I am simply going to have almost all the fields be text fields :) | 03:31 |
| srichter | or a keyword type field that contributes to the keyword list | 03:31 |
| srichter | :-) | 03:32 |
| __odie | and define a sort of a standard meta-language | 03:32 |
| srichter | I see | 03:32 |
| srichter | you could create a special test field that knows how to validate the meta-language | 03:32 |
| __odie | yea exactly :) | 03:33 |
| __odie | the meta-language will just be to standardize the language, w = weight, etc etc | 03:33 |
| srichter | (sort of what epydoc does) | 03:33 |
| __odie | it will search on defined fields, but allow people to enter fields that can be searched still but not necessarily meaningful to the schema | 03:33 |
| __odie | like, most parts will be accompanied by engineering diagrams | 03:34 |
| __odie | so you might enter (radius 1) r1 = 3.25" | 03:34 |
| srichter | oh, I see | 03:34 |
| __odie | im still unsure about all this :) | 03:34 |
| srichter | maybe you can parse this and also store a Python value | 03:35 |
| srichter | so it will be better for other representations/formats, ... | 03:35 |
| __odie | yea something like that | 03:36 |
| __odie | im only about 10 pages into the design document so I still have some wiggle room :) | 03:36 |
| __odie | plus im on extra strength vicodin right now so if im not making much sense please forgive me :) | 03:36 |
| srichter | :-) | 03:36 |
| srichter | no, makes all sense | 03:37 |
| srichter | I am getting tired though :-) | 03:37 |
| __odie | no worries | 03:37 |
| __odie | i need to get back to reading your book actually heh :) | 03:37 |
| srichter | time to get and vege in front of the TV ;-) | 03:37 |
| srichter | do that! :-) | 03:37 |
| __odie | the hardcopy to, none of that internet stuff | 03:37 |
| __odie | I finished philkons book which I considered to be introductory, and am trying to pick up the more advanced stuff from your book :) | 03:38 |
| __odie | anyways, have a good evening :) | 03:38 |
| srichter | you too | 03:40 |
| srichter | let me know, if you have questions | 03:40 |
| __odie | im sure I wil | 03:50 |
| __odie | ive been hanging around to just understand what the issues are :) | 03:51 |
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| __odie | the world cookery book said vocabnularies are going away? what are they going to be replaced with and is it avaliable in trunk? | 06:05 |
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| srichter | hdima: you are my hero! Just saw your checkin! Cool! :-) | 13:30 |
| hdima | the TAL changes needs to be cleaned up. I'll do it later. :-) | 13:32 |
| hdima | It has been a hard time to find and fix all those PT's... %-) | 13:34 |
| srichter | I can imagine! | 13:36 |
| hdima | After 3.1 release I want to do some big refactorings for the code. | 13:39 |
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| hdima | BTW, I've change POT's dynamic content marker from XXX to ${DYNAMIC_CONTENT}, so somebody can't start to remove all those i18n:translate="". ;-) | 13:51 |
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| srichter | ok, cool | 13:58 |
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| MacYET | morning | 14:59 |
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| stub | Does Z3 have Schema level validation, as opposed to Field level, yet? I have a field whose valid values depend on what a different field's value is. | 16:05 |
| srichter | yes, Jim mentioned the other day that there is an API for this | 16:06 |
| srichter | read README.txt in zope.schema | 16:06 |
| projekt01 | stub, search for invariants | 16:07 |
| VladDrac | projekt: did you do any improvement on the boston skin lately? | 16:09 |
| srichter | that was the term, right :-) | 16:09 |
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| BjornT | stub: README.txt in zope.interface is the place to read about invariants | 16:09 |
| srichter | oops, thanks for the correction | 16:10 |
| stub | ta | 16:10 |
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| stub | Does the form machinery cope with invariants or will I need to implement that? | 16:12 |
| BjornT | stub: you will have to implement it | 16:13 |
| srichter | btw, since everyone seems to ignore my E-mails, are you guys okay with removing the FTP-related bugs from the 3.1 TODO lsit? | 16:15 |
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| * stub wonders if it is possible to use invarients for his purpose, given that the end result should be an error message next to the widget with the dud value and not some sort of form global error | 16:17 | |
| BjornT | stub: i'd say it's possible, but not easy. you're probably better off creating a new widget instead | 16:19 |
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| stub | BjornT: Mmm... definitely leaning that way. Pity the callables used in the constraint parameter don't have any sort of context. | 16:20 |
| alga_ | srichter: I don't think anyone is using FTP :-) | 16:20 |
| BjornT | yeah i know, so you have to find some way of association an invariant with some fields, so something like that | 16:21 |
| srichter | alga_: we get bug reports, so some must use it :-) | 16:21 |
| srichter | alga_: also, we supported it in 3.0, so we have to in 3.1, though I think the bugs reported are not show-stoppers anyways | 16:21 |
| BjornT | srichter: have you asked the one who reported the bugs? | 16:21 |
| stub | If the exception thrown by the invarient contained a reference to the field the error should be associated with (defaulting to None), then the display code would have all the information it needed | 16:22 |
| srichter | BjornT: 2 from Steve, but I know they are only critical for laqrge data amounts and one from Anonymous :-) | 16:22 |
| stub | I think... if you can get from the field to the widget | 16:22 |
| * stub tries to remember how it all fits together | 16:22 | |
| srichter | Okay, so here the decision: I will mark all three bugs as "WontFix" in light of the move to Twisted | 16:22 |
| BjornT | srichter: i didn't ask who reported them, i asked, if you asked him what he thinks about the importance of the bugs :) | 16:23 |
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| srichter | SteveA|afk: what do you think about the FTP bugs you found? Critical for you in 3.1? :-) | 16:24 |
| BjornT | stub: you might be on the right track there. if we require the invariants to throw some IInvariantError exception which has to contain some useful information | 16:25 |
| projekt01 | VladDrac, no I didn't changed something related to the Boston skin | 16:25 |
| stub | They are subclasses of zope.interface.Invalid, so we can stick it in there. | 16:26 |
| anguenot | Hi there | 16:26 |
| anguenot | I fixed http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/327/ | 16:27 |
| anguenot | But work needs to be done on a proper FileWidget | 16:27 |
| anguenot | :) | 16:27 |
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| projekt01 | stub, srichter, I think invariants get checked in the new form concept form ZC where we will get for 3.2? Right? | 16:29 |
| srichter | SteveA: got my message above? :-) | 16:29 |
| srichter | projekt01: not sure, ask Gary | 16:29 |
| srichter | :-) | 16:29 |
| srichter | anguenot: I think Roger did some work on a branch that never got approved by Jim | 16:30 |
| srichter | anguenot: if you could confirm this work, it should certainly be merged before 3.1 | 16:31 |
| projekt01 | stub, srichter, I think it depends on how much work they have. I really like to see this new form framework. | 16:31 |
| anguenot | srichter:Ok I can give a try with Roger's branch | 16:31 |
| srichter | projekt01: I'll chat with Gary when he will be online in a while | 16:32 |
| projekt01 | anguenot, what do you need to know about the IFile refactoring where never get finished? | 16:32 |
| projekt01 | srichter, Ok, I remember that | 16:32 |
| anguenot | Nothing | 16:32 |
| anguenot | Just fixed the bug and saw the File type was pretty primitive | 16:33 |
| projekt01 | anguenot, the branch (or my work) is a big mess, but all new ideas are there. | 16:33 |
| projekt01 | anguenot, you mean the IFile schema field | 16:33 |
| projekt01 | The IFile schema field is broken in the z3 trunk since the beginning, because of it's type | 16:34 |
| anguenot | it's type ? | 16:35 |
| projekt01 | Yes, the Ifile field is, I guess, bytes and we store for large file a FileChunk instance, this ins't valid | 16:36 |
| anguenot | right | 16:36 |
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| anguenot | I can check the branch if people think it might be a good idea to target this for 3.1 | 16:37 |
| projekt01 | I did too much in this branch, I moved the image part out of zope.app.file. I think it's better to start a new branch and move things where needed. | 16:39 |
| projekt01 | Or you have to move the image part back to the zope.app.file package | 16:39 |
| projekt01 | Btw. It's not clear to me how we can provide BBB with such changes like we do in the IFile branch right now. | 16:40 |
| projekt01 | anguenot, I would be really happy if you can take a look at the branch and improve it | 16:45 |
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| projekt01 | I can help you with the widget and session part where is responsible for to set the content_type on the fileupload | 16:46 |
| anguenot | right | 16:49 |
| anguenot | we'll continue the discussion on the mailing list | 16:49 |
| anguenot | I'll check this by the end of the week. | 16:50 |
| projekt01 | anguenot, Ok | 16:50 |
| anguenot | projekt01:BTW, did you check the http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/380/ | 16:51 |
| anguenot | ? | 16:51 |
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| projekt01 | No, not yet, but you are really sure it is fixed? | 16:51 |
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| anguenot | Check my comment on the bug entry | 16:53 |
| projekt01 | I think the problem was if we remove the utility via the "Tools" management view. | 16:53 |
| anguenot | The bug entry wasn't saying this | 16:53 |
| anguenot | if you could verfify It would be cool | 16:54 |
| lunatik | hi anguenot :) | 16:54 |
| srichter | I think the tools stuff is a bit broken | 16:54 |
| srichter | :-) | 16:54 |
| projekt01 | Ok, I check this. | 16:54 |
| srichter | it was not that easy to implement anymore with the new backend and ideas :-) | 16:54 |
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| SteveA | srichter: not really. worked around by subclassing. | 16:58 |
| SteveA | the project which used the ftp server is complete. unless problems arise, i won't be doing any more work on it, except when we update the zope3 snapshot we're using. | 16:59 |
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| projekt01 | anguenot, Yes, the utility get correct remove now. The bug 380 seems to be fixed. | 17:17 |
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| anguenot | cool | 17:23 |
| anguenot | actually, it wasn't a bug | 17:24 |
| anguenot | just the exception message was wrong | 17:24 |
| anguenot | because you can't remove a utility if this one is in an active state | 17:24 |
| anguenot | this subscriber is taking care of it zope/app/container/dependency.py AFAIK | 17:25 |
| projekt01 | Yes, I know that, this is correct, but I think my sample described in the issue 380 is just a simplification for to show the bug. | 17:29 |
| projekt01 | And now I think this is solved, but there is another bug which has to do with the Tools management view. | 17:29 |
| anguenot | collector issue ? | 17:29 |
| projekt01 | But I can't remember how I did. | 17:29 |
| projekt01 | Yes | 17:30 |
| projekt01 | Could be that this is also gone with your changes. | 17:30 |
| projekt01 | I check this later and try to find the code where I marked I my workspace. | 17:30 |
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| anguenot | ok | 17:31 |
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| projekt01 | anguenot, It's all Ok now, the real bug was fixed by Garrett in version 30040, Line 329 in zope.app.component.browser.registration.py | 17:42 |
| projekt01 | He added: container[name].status = InactiveStatus | 17:42 |
| projekt01 | Which wasn't done before and ends in a activated utility in the registry which was deleted from the registration manager | 17:43 |
| projekt01 | That was the reason why you just found a wrong error message. | 17:44 |
| projekt01 | But thanks a lot for fixing this anyway. | 17:45 |
| projekt01 | I think it was my mistake. I marked the bug a security related, perhaps this was the reason why Garrett didn't found the issue 380 | 17:46 |
| anguenot | right | 17:46 |
| projekt01 | Now, I now what this flag means ;-) | 17:47 |
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| ignas | how does one convert a string "foo %s" % chr(163) to UTF-8 ? | 19:34 |
| srichter | try (u"foo %s %chr(163)).encode('utf-8') | 19:41 |
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| ignas | srichter, i found it out in #python channel | 19:44 |
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| ignas | on should first one has to decode it firs | 19:47 |
| ignas | t | 19:47 |
| ignas | by supplying the charset it is in | 19:47 |
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| srichter | J1m: are you there? | 22:52 |
| srichter | Did you see my mail the other day about a zcml:condition verb that checks for an existing Python module? | 22:53 |
| J1m | yes no | 23:03 |
| J1m | srichter, what was the subject? | 23:04 |
| J1m | Wanna forward it to me again? | 23:04 |
| srichter | well basically we need a new zcml:condition verb for checking for installed python packages | 23:08 |
| srichter | I'll forward the mail to you | 23:09 |
| srichter | done | 23:10 |
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| srichter | J1m: got it? | 23:17 |
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| Stevea | srichter: have you seen the packaging work that was done at pycon? | 23:50 |
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