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| srichter | d2m: so do I have to wait sometimes for a while before the published resource becomes available on zope.org? | 00:08 |
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| d2m | srichter: best bet is, not to publish the objects directly, but submit them and then use the 'Pending' link (http://www.zope.org/unreviewed) to bulk-publish all submitted items | 00:10 |
| srichter | ok, I dunno whether I have access to that page but I will try next time | 00:18 |
| srichter | I think I have only limited admin access on zope.org, namely the Products folder and in dev.zope.org/Zope3 | 00:18 |
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| SteveA | srichter: ping | 20:15 |
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| srichter | pong | 21:24 |
| srichter | SteveA: pong | 21:24 |
| SteveA | hi stephan | 21:24 |
| SteveA | i was wondering | 21:24 |
| SteveA | what do you think the tales expression foo | bar should evaluate to | 21:25 |
| SteveA | if foo is None (nothing) ? | 21:25 |
| J1m | None | 21:25 |
| J1m | | is not an "or" operator. | 21:26 |
| srichter | right | 21:26 |
| SteveA | assuming bar is not None | 21:26 |
| SteveA | but, say, the literal string 'bar' | 21:26 |
| J1m | It's more of a "default" operator. | 21:26 |
| J1m | No, not assuming anything about bar | 21:26 |
| SteveA | this has confused people on my team | 21:26 |
| J1m | a|b | 21:26 |
| J1m | means: | 21:26 |
| SteveA | also, simpletal works with | as an 'or' operator | 21:27 |
| J1m | try to get a, but if you can't, use b. | 21:27 |
| J1m | I can't help it id simpletal uses a different meaning. | 21:27 |
| SteveA | at least, the simpletal docs explicitly say that | defaults if the left side evaluates to nothing | 21:27 |
| J1m | I can't help it if simpletal uses a different meaning. | 21:27 |
| J1m | OK, that's different than tal | 21:28 |
| SteveA | okay | 21:28 |
| SteveA | oh, i had an idea the other day to take 'structure' out of a lot of uses of templates | 21:28 |
| J1m | BTW, this has nothing to do with tal. :) | 21:28 |
| SteveA | especially where things like widgets are concerned | 21:28 |
| SteveA | that is, tales currently has 'text' and 'structure' to say whether the result is to be rendered with or without escaping | 21:29 |
| SteveA | almost always, people omit 'text' | 21:29 |
| SteveA | because that is the default type | 21:29 |
| SteveA | i propose introducing a third type of rendering: decided_by_value | 21:31 |
| SteveA | if the value provides the interface IAmSomeTextThatKnowsHowToRenderMyself | 21:31 |
| SteveA | then tales renders it as structure. otherwise, as text | 21:31 |
| J1m | (Note that | is pretty clearly defined bythe TALES specification for path expressions: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/TALES%20Specification%201.3) | 21:32 |
| SteveA | this new decided_by_value would become the new default rendering-method | 21:32 |
| SteveA | and code such as the code that renders widgets can return a unicode object that provides IAmSomeTextthatKnowsHowToRenderMyself | 21:32 |
| SteveA | because almost all the time, | 21:33 |
| J1m | sounds good to me. You should run it by the ZPT list. | 21:33 |
| SteveA | i need some better names for things | 21:33 |
| J1m | Perhaps ;) | 21:33 |
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| J1m | srichter, are you going to generate a windows tar ball for Tim? | 23:11 |
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| srichter | J1m: already done | 23:23 |
| srichter | J1m: its in the software release folder | 23:23 |
| srichter | J1m: all he needs to do is download it from there | 23:23 |
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| J1m | what is the softwarr release folder? | 23:28 |
| J1m | what is the software release folder? | 23:28 |
| J1m | ah | 23:28 |
| J1m | never mind | 23:28 |
| J1m | sorry, I didn't read his note carefully enough | 23:29 |
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