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| fdrake | the testbrowser ListControl object doesn't appear to have a way to check that no value is selected; does anyone here know how to check that? | 01:50 |
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| srichter | should you not be able to say: | 01:50 |
| srichter | ctrl.value == [] | 01:50 |
| srichter | ? | 01:50 |
| fdrake | appearantly not :-( | 01:50 |
| srichter | eek | 01:51 |
| srichter | or did you get one of the list's subcontrol? | 01:51 |
| srichter | or did you get one of the list's subcontrols? | 01:51 |
| fdrake | if I have HTML that has lots of options, but none selected, the value == ["first value"] | 01:51 |
| fdrake | (or whatever it is) | 01:51 |
| srichter | that would be a bug | 01:51 |
| fdrake | no, just the top-level listcontrol itself | 01:51 |
| fdrake | yeah, that's what I thought | 01:52 |
| srichter | I am really surprised you get this | 01:52 |
| fdrake | but the test seems to check for this behavior | 01:52 |
| fdrake | take a look at it; the sample single-select list doesn't have a default value, but the test expects a single-item list as the .value | 01:52 |
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| fdrake | see "Selection Control (Single-Valued)" in the tests | 01:53 |
| srichter | btw, I am reading | 01:56 |
| fdrake | k | 01:56 |
| srichter | absolutely a bug | 01:57 |
| srichter | and documented as bug too :-) | 01:57 |
| srichter | seems to be a mechanize bug | 01:59 |
| fdrake | by which you mean the documentation exhibits the same bug, I presume :-) | 01:59 |
| srichter | yes | 01:59 |
| srichter | because the browser code seems clean and refers to mechanize to give an answer | 01:59 |
| fdrake | ok, i'll take a look at fixing, then | 01:59 |
| srichter | cool | 01:59 |
| srichter | mechanize has no tests, so bugs are expected | 02:00 |
| srichter | :-) | 02:00 |
| * srichter cannot imagine a time without tests anymore | 02:00 | |
| fdrake | ClientForm is some painful code... | 02:08 |
| srichter | :-) | 02:08 |
| srichter | yep | 02:08 |
| fdrake | ah, the comments try to blame it on RFC 1866 and differing browser implementations | 02:10 |
| srichter | so, if you specify the right user agent string, it will work? | 02:11 |
| fdrake | remember HTML 2.0???? sheesh. | 02:11 |
| srichter | LOL | 02:11 |
| fdrake | not necessarily :-) | 02:11 |
| srichter | so I think our tests should at least gain an explanatory comment | 02:12 |
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| fdrake | at least | 02:12 |
| fdrake | it's not clear that the current behavior is exhibited by current browsers, though | 02:13 |
| fdrake | i'll have to look at the specs myself, which is not what I need to be doing right now | 02:13 |
| srichter | he he | 02:14 |
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| fdrake | HTML 4.01, section 17.6.1: "If no OPTION element has the selected attribute set, user agent behavior for choosing which option is initially selected is undefined." | 02:16 |
| fdrake | HTML sux. | 02:16 |
| fdrake | well, it means I have to include a "no value" selection in my field | 02:17 |
| fdrake | ugly, but makes sense | 02:17 |
| fdrake | Forms suk too. | 02:17 |
| srichter | I agree | 02:17 |
| srichter | let's use CDE or JavaAWT | 02:18 |
| fdrake | ohohohohh.... raw Xt! | 02:18 |
| fdrake | at least its O-O.... | 02:18 |
| srichter | Yeah, I need to get my X references from the top shelve again | 02:18 |
| srichter | (I cannot believe my graphics prof made us use plain X in the class) | 02:19 |
| fdrake | heck, I have to climb into the stinkin' attic! | 02:19 |
| srichter | he he | 02:19 |
| fdrake | I can; she knows a good thing when she sees it. :-) | 02:19 |
| srichter | yeah, he developed the flight scheduling system FedEx used in the late 80s and early 90s | 02:20 |
| srichter | I think they coded the UI in X | 02:20 |
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| fdrake | a good thing they did; I can't think of a better way to distribute UI :-) | 02:21 |
| fdrake | benji: bet you didn't know it was all testbrowser's fault | 02:22 |
| srichter | benji: talking to fred about another thing in testbrowser reminded me that we really have to figure out how we can turn off error handling in urllib2 | 02:22 |
| benji | ah, yep srichter | 02:22 |
| srichter | we need to be able to get the content of 404 and similar error pages | 02:22 |
| benji | fdrake, what is testbrowser's fault? | 02:22 |
| fdrake | that HTML forms suk | 02:23 |
| fdrake | i ran into an HTML-really-doesn't-make-sense issue | 02:23 |
| fdrake | a select w/ no options selected incurs browser-specific behavior | 02:23 |
| benji | your right fred, I shouldn't be encouraging people to use HTML, it's all my fault | 02:23 |
| fdrake | and testbrowser (well, ClientForm) picked the wrong browser to emulate | 02:24 |
| fdrake | well, at least it made me dig in so I can force my form to do the right thing | 02:24 |
| fdrake | but you really should stop pushing HTML; there's laws against it in most states | 02:24 |
| fdrake | (HTML is a drug, you know...) | 02:25 |
| benji | I'm incouragable | 02:25 |
| fdrake | sp. | 02:25 |
| srichter | it's all X baby | 02:25 |
| benji | fred, you misspelled "ok" (just thought you'd like to know) | 02:26 |
| srichter | actually DOS CGI graphics were alot of fun too | 02:26 |
| srichter | and much easier to use than X :-) | 02:26 |
| fdrake | yeah, that's what ah'm talking 'bout! | 02:26 |
| fdrake | :-) | 02:26 |
| benji | srichter, I preferred Hercules, but to each his own | 02:26 |
| benji | monochrome all the way | 02:26 |
| fdrake | you mean the ANSI mess like BBS systems used? | 02:27 |
| srichter | yeah, but the assembly you had to write to get it going was far to easy | 02:27 |
| fdrake | yeah, those were fun to edit by hand :-) | 02:27 |
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| srichter | I remember the callenge of getting anythign above 640x480 on my graphics card | 02:27 |
| benji | uh oh, I see this quickly degrading into an "I remember when" contest. :) | 02:28 |
| srichter | I think I am about to lose, so I concede | 02:28 |
| benji | :) | 02:28 |
| fdrake | yeah: I remember how glad I was I still had my Hercules card when my EGA died. :-) | 02:28 |
| srichter | we did not have access to computers till the wall came down :-( | 02:28 |
| benji | wow, srichter I remember the wall coming down vividly and how it affected me, but can't imagine the impact it had on your life | 02:37 |
| srichter | we were on the following Saturday in Berlin; the city was one pure party | 02:38 |
| srichter | it was really great | 02:38 |
| benji | I bet it was :) | 02:40 |
| srichter | I think it took us over 3 hours to just get to the outskirts of the city; same on the way back | 02:41 |
| benji | so you lived near (East) Berlin? | 02:42 |
| srichter | my parents in law were actually actively in the Monday demonstrations | 02:42 |
| srichter | about 2 hours away | 02:42 |
| srichter | (when I am driving now about 1 h 15 mins ;-) | 02:42 |
| benji | :) | 02:42 |
| * benji makes a mental note to not let srichter drive him anywhere | 02:43 | |
| srichter | he he | 02:44 |
| srichter | you can imagine how annoying it is that the speed limit here is below minimum speed in Germany | 02:45 |
| srichter | (on the interstate/Autobahn that is) | 02:45 |
| benji | yep, the Virginia speed limits are about 10 mph slower than Tennessee, so it annoys me too :) | 02:45 |
| fdrake | the speed limit here is generally slower than its safe to go w/ all those other freaks on the road, too | 02:45 |
| srichter | yeah | 02:47 |
| srichter | ok, time to go and make dinner | 02:47 |
| fdrake | make enough to share; I've not eaten yet :-) | 02:47 |
| benji | I pitty you two, I'm enjoying some great chicken enchiltatas | 02:48 |
| fdrake | i won't stop you from sharing, either :-) | 02:48 |
| srichter | mmh, that's an idea too | 02:48 |
| srichter | but I think I am making spaghetti today with sausage and chicken legs | 02:48 |
| benji | fred, it'll only take you about 30 minutes to get here, stop and get me a Mello Yello on the way :) | 02:49 |
| fdrake | :-) | 02:49 |
| benji | sausage AND chicken legs??? strange :) | 02:49 |
| fdrake | sounds good to me.... | 02:49 |
| fdrake | Boston's not that far, and I'd be back in time for the morning meeting.... | 02:49 |
| benji | :) | 02:50 |
| gnosis | anyone know how to capture an event from changes in metadata? | 02:50 |
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| fdrake | does an IObjectChangedEvent get generated? | 02:50 |
| gnosis | yea | 02:51 |
| gnosis | how do i distinguish that from just regular changes in the object? | 02:51 |
| fdrake | it should be easy enough to register a subscriber | 02:51 |
| fdrake | ah; you only care about metadata changes, specifically? | 02:51 |
| gnosis | i got title and description syncing when i change object, now if i change the metadata, it doesn't sync | 02:52 |
| fdrake | i don't think that's easily checkable these days | 02:52 |
| gnosis | ah | 02:52 |
| fdrake | there's a special "partial" dublin core adapter that lets some fields live on the content object | 02:52 |
| gnosis | i saw a depricated event for annotation changes, but that doesn't get fired | 02:53 |
| fdrake | some people have had problems w/ it, but it worked in an app we built here | 02:53 |
| fdrake | look in zope.app.dublincore.annotatableadapter | 02:53 |
| gnosis | i'll do that, thanks fdrake | 02:54 |
| fdrake | np | 02:54 |
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| gnosis | any idea how to configure the partial annotation adapter? I get a ValueError: only use partialAnnotationAdapterFactory() if at least one DC field is implemented directly??? | 03:05 |
| gnosis | i got a title and description field in my content object | 03:06 |
| fdrake | sorry; stepped away for a minute | 03:18 |
| fdrake | take a look at zope.app.dublincore.tests/partial.txt | 03:19 |
| fdrake | there's not a lot there, but it should be pretty clear what to do | 03:19 |
| fdrake | if not, let me know | 03:19 |
| gnosis | thanks again fdrake, will check it out | 03:21 |
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| dobee | hi, does anybody know if and how i can import a class defined in a doctest file e.g README.txt, i would like to use it in another doctest too | 09:52 |
| hdima | dobee: define your class in test_*.py and then import in README.txt | 10:09 |
| dobee | hdima: thx, i did so already but i found another way too which is used in zope.agxassociation | 10:10 |
| dobee | mport unittest | 10:10 |
| dobee | from zope.testing import doctest, module | 10:10 |
| dobee | module_name = 'zope.agxassociation.association_txt' | 10:10 |
| dobee | def setUp(test): | 10:10 |
| dobee | module.setUp(test, module_name) | 10:10 |
| dobee | def tearDown(test): | 10:10 |
| dobee | module.tearDown(test, module_name) | 10:10 |
| dobee | def test_suite(): | 10:10 |
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| dobee | return unittest.TestSuite(( | 10:10 |
| dobee | doctest.DocFileSuite('association.txt', | 10:10 |
| dobee | setUp=setUp, tearDown=tearDown), | 10:10 |
| dobee | )) | 10:10 |
| dobee | if __name__ == '__main__': | 10:10 |
| dobee | unittest.main(defaultTest='test_suite') | 10:10 |
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| hdima | yes, you can pass it in the test namespace through setUp | 10:11 |
| hdima | DocFileSuite("RADME.txt", ..., globs={"MyClass": MyClass}) | 10:13 |
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| philiKON | hello | 13:39 |
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| philiKON | good morning J1m | 13:49 |
| philiKON | srichter, | 13:49 |
| J1m | morning | 13:49 |
| J1m | Do you have any idea if five will work with 3.1 or 3.2 before Nov 1? | 13:50 |
| philiKON | i just thought about the same thing today | 13:50 |
| philiKON | i will work on this soon | 13:50 |
| philiKON | i have scheduled to hunt down a weird deprecation warning in zope 3 trunk tonight | 13:51 |
| J1m | btw, what is the correct five mailing list? | 13:51 |
| philiKON | when that is killed, i want to work on five | 13:51 |
| philiKON | z3-five@codespeak.net | 13:51 |
| philiKON | you need to be subscribed to post | 13:51 |
| J1m | ah, dang | 13:52 |
| J1m | k | 13:52 |
| J1m | I think I am subscribed | 13:52 |
| philiKON | ok | 13:52 |
| J1m | but I went to z3 base and mistakenly thought that it's mailing list was relevent. | 13:53 |
| philiKON | ok | 13:54 |
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| JoaoJoao | hello | 14:37 |
| JoaoJoao | Where do I set users permissions in Z3? | 14:37 |
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| JoaoJoao | This permissions stuff is kinda complicated in Z3 | 14:52 |
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| philiKON | JoaoJoao, you mean, where you grant permissions to principals? | 15:00 |
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| philiKON | srichter, should zope.* packages that rely on zope.deprecation not include it in DEPENDENDIES.cfg? | 15:06 |
| JoaoJoao | philiKON: Yes, found it now | 15:07 |
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| JoaoJoao | Now I'm trying to find out how to make Zope do HTTP authentication using my PAU plugin | 15:10 |
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| srichter | philiKON: yeah, I think it should be listed as a dependency, if they are not part of zope.app | 15:46 |
| philiKON | ok | 15:46 |
| philiKON | will do that then | 15:46 |
| srichter | thanks a lot | 15:48 |
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| bmcru | hiall | 15:52 |
| bmcru | do anyone use SQLObject with zope3.1 ? | 15:53 |
| philiKON | bmcru, #z3-base | 15:53 |
| bmcru | I nearly did start it, but can`t create content | 15:53 |
| bmcru | ÏË | 15:53 |
| bmcru | ;) | 15:54 |
| bmcru | there is noone | 15:54 |
| philiKON | there are about 10 people | 15:54 |
| philiKON | jinty and andres, the current sqlos developers aren't there | 15:54 |
| philiKON | right now | 15:54 |
| bmcru | ok, thanks | 15:55 |
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| VladDrac | bmcru: I tried porting it to 3.1 | 16:03 |
| VladDrac | there's a 3.1 branch with my work | 16:03 |
| VladDrac | but it appears it doesn't even work with vanilla 3.0 | 16:03 |
| bmcru | heh, as far as i saw it - it didn`t work eather ;) | 16:04 |
| VladDrac | someone else (keep forgetting the nick) got things working on 3.0 and managed to apply my changes | 16:04 |
| VladDrac | dunno if it's in a branch | 16:04 |
| VladDrac | bmcru: hold on, you're asking about sqlobject and 3.1? | 16:05 |
| VladDrac | or sqlos? | 16:05 |
| * VladDrac 's using sqlobject (0.6.1) without problems | 16:05 | |
| bmcru | sqlos | 16:05 |
| VladDrac | oh ok | 16:05 |
| philiKON | the 3.1 compat branch has been merged to the trunk | 16:05 |
| philiKON | afaik | 16:06 |
| VladDrac | ah ok | 16:06 |
| philiKON | but, again, jinty and andres are the most informed guys on this subject | 16:06 |
| philiKON | right bnow | 16:06 |
| philiKON | they took over development and maintenance | 16:06 |
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| srichter | if you speak of the deveil... | 16:09 |
| benji | :) | 16:13 |
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| philiKON | benji, ping | 16:23 |
| benji | philiKON, pong | 16:25 |
| philiKON | benji, i assume that zope.testbrowser carrying ZVSL license headers is just an oversight? | 16:25 |
| benji | yep | 16:25 |
| benji | feel free to change it, if you wish | 16:25 |
| philiKON | ok | 16:25 |
| JoaoJoao | When I test a connection to a firebird DA, I have this error: | 16:28 |
| JoaoJoao | Traceback (innermost last): | 16:28 |
| JoaoJoao | Module zope.publisher.publish, line 138, in publish | 16:28 |
| JoaoJoao | result = publication.callObject(request, object) | 16:28 |
| JoaoJoao | Module zope.app.publication.zopepublication, line 164, in callObject | 16:28 |
| JoaoJoao | return mapply(ob, request.getPositionalArguments(), request) | 16:28 |
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| kyoshi | hi | 19:29 |
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| efge | ObjectCopiedEvent doesn't have any reference to the source, shouldn't that be added ? I don't have a concrete use case but it feels useful... | 20:12 |
| efge | s/source/original/ | 20:12 |
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| srichter | efge: +1 | 20:22 |
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