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| eins | hi all | 15:10 |
| benji | hi eins | 15:11 |
| benji | eins, do you have a sister named zwei? | 15:11 |
| eins | i have a sister, but she hardly knows what irc is:) so probable if she knew, her nick would have been zwei :D | 15:12 |
| eins | probably | 15:13 |
| benji | :) | 15:13 |
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| andres | One question: I have a local tree of psycopgda lying around on my harddisk with a marker interface for it (discussed on zope3-dev and already in mysqldba). Should i mail the patch or try to get dev access? | 16:06 |
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| benji | andres, if you're interested in continuing contributing, I'd get commit access | 16:12 |
| andres | benji, hm, good question. I guess i will contribute some bits as i will work with zope for some time. | 16:30 |
| benji | then I'd suggest you sign the contrib. agreement and send it to Jim | 16:30 |
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| andres | benji, fax, snailmail, mail? | 16:39 |
| benji | I think a paper copy is required, but a scan will suffice to turn on commit access | 16:40 |
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| benji | andres, so print, sign, scan/fax, mail I think is the recommended sequence | 16:41 |
| andres | benji, do you know the fax#? | 16:42 |
| benji | nope :( | 16:42 |
| srichter | andre: check zope.com | 16:42 |
| andres | srichter, ok, found it. | 16:44 |
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| GaryPoster | stub: ping | 16:48 |
| stub | GaryPoster: pong | 16:48 |
| GaryPoster | Hey | 16:48 |
| GaryPoster | Are you cool with a patch to pytz that provides persistence-aware offset-based timezones, a la zope.app.datetimeutils? | 16:49 |
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| GaryPoster | (to address the pyz misuse in zope.i18n.format) | 16:49 |
| GaryPoster | pytz | 16:50 |
| GaryPoster | I see this as a separate class ATM, so it wouldn't touch any of the other pytz code. | 16:51 |
| stub | I don't see a problem with it. There are already 'ETC+XX' zones in there which might be useful | 16:51 |
| GaryPoster | But they are precooked, right? | 16:51 |
| stub | Yes | 16:51 |
| GaryPoster | OK, cool. So, I'll try to get a patch in the Zope 3 repo's pytz copy today, and then you can see what you think. Sound ok? | 16:52 |
| stub | Sure. | 16:53 |
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| GaryPoster | ok, thanks. (I'm planning on being as lazy as possible, just copying/moving over pertinent bits from the datetimeutils module.) | 16:54 |
| GaryPoster | :-) | 16:54 |
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| andres | GaryPoster, thanks. | 17:30 |
| GaryPoster | :-) | 17:30 |
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| philiKON | wow, garret smith, haven't seen him around in a long time... | 18:20 |
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| J1m | Where where? | 18:34 |
| philiKON | he just joined and left 15 minutes ago | 18:35 |
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| zbir | "... and they never saw him again. The End." | 18:40 |
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| tiredbones | philiKON, Can you give me the pointer to you article "zcml does to much"? | 18:42 |
| philiKON | tiredbones, http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2005_12_14_zcml-needs-to-do-less | 18:42 |
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| philiKON | J1m, btw, i think there were more people using reponse.write than you guys initially thought | 19:51 |
| philiKON | J1m, lots of people are used to it from zope 2 | 19:52 |
| philiKON | there are questions like "i read on zope3-dev that response.write is gone, so we can't stream data anymore?" | 19:52 |
| J1m | I know lots of people used in Zope 2. I don't have any evidence that anyone has used it for Zope 3. | 19:52 |
| J1m | Zope 3's response.write did not stream data. | 19:53 |
| philiKON | i see | 19:53 |
| J1m | I'm trying to figure out if I have a backward-compatibility problem that needs to be solved now. | 19:53 |
| J1m | I don't care about backward compatibility with Zope 2. | 19:53 |
| philiKON | i understand that | 19:54 |
| J1m | I'm all for adding streaming to Zope 3, but it needs to be thought out and specified first. | 19:54 |
| J1m | (We also need to sort out the WSGI mess.) | 19:54 |
| J1m | But I don't have time for that now. | 19:54 |
| philiKON | yes | 19:55 |
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| dman13 | is today the fourth bug day in a row? ;-) | 20:05 |
| philiKON | gah, i figured it out | 20:13 |
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| jenner | hi | 20:57 |
| jenner | guys, if I return zope.publisher.http.DirectResult(some_iterable, headers_tuple) in a browser view, how can I prevent the publisher from raising a ForbiddenAttribute exception for the "headers" attr (publisher/http.py, line 786)? | 20:59 |
| J1m | philiKON, ayt? | 21:01 |
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| runyaga | srichter: ? | 21:02 |
| srichter | here | 21:03 |
| runyaga | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=141312 <- you read this? | 21:03 |
| runyaga | i beg of you guys - please have inline python + rdbms from a single zpt | 21:03 |
| runyaga | bruce eckel tried out zope for a few years (at least 2) and gave up | 21:04 |
| runyaga | moved to php | 21:04 |
| runyaga | PHP - why? because its easy | 21:04 |
| runyaga | "but all I want to do is connect a database to the web" in Zope2 for several years now.." | 21:04 |
| srichter | one of my goals for Zope 3.3 will be to have a separate release or add-on package that will support web-dev | 21:05 |
| runyaga | "but all I want to do is connect a database to the web" in Zope2 for several years now.. | 21:05 |
| runyaga | or is this uninteresting for core-zope? | 21:05 |
| srichter | Zope 3.3 is not useful for private and small sites at this point | 21:05 |
| srichter | yes, I think it is uninteresting for a lot of people that use Zope 3 | 21:05 |
| runyaga | i use zope 3 and zope 2 and i think its very interesting | 21:06 |
| runyaga | i dont want to bring too much noise to #zope3-dev | 21:06 |
| runyaga | just wanted you to see it - I think that you were right on with your RDBMS + inline python into zpt | 21:06 |
| srichter | it will be part of the webdev package that I am planning | 21:07 |
| runyaga | ok.. good luck | 21:08 |
| runyaga | zope 3.2.x looks fantastic -- good work on twistd integration | 21:09 |
| runyaga | you guys rock | 21:10 |
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| srichter | runyaga: exceot that it causes headaches right now | 21:11 |
| philiKON | J1m, sorry, flaky inet connection | 21:11 |
| philiKON | J1m, you were looking for me? | 21:11 |
| runyaga | you guys will work through it - evolution is not pain free | 21:11 |
| J1m | philiKON, I'm trying to sort out 516. | 21:13 |
| philiKON | J1m, is this going to take a while now? | 21:14 |
| philiKON | because only have a couple of minutes | 21:14 |
| J1m | Yes. | 21:14 |
| J1m | ah | 21:14 |
| J1m | k | 21:14 |
| philiKON | sorry, i gotta catch some sleep :) | 21:14 |
| J1m | :) | 21:15 |
| philiKON | perhaps tomorrow, 9 or 10 a.m. your time? | 21:15 |
| J1m | too late :) | 21:17 |
| philiKON | J1m, b2 coming out? | 21:17 |
| J1m | someday | 21:17 |
| J1m | I'm afraid we aren't going to make our deadline for this month. :( | 21:18 |
| philiKON | then why is tomorrow too late? not that it would matter to me, i'm sure you can sort it out w/o me | 21:18 |
| philiKON | my bottom line is: it all should be ascii | 21:18 |
| J1m | Because I need to go as fast as I can. | 21:18 |
| philiKON | ok | 21:18 |
| J1m | That isn't mentioned in the issue. | 21:19 |
| J1m | Furthermore, we really need to think a lot harder about the requirements. | 21:19 |
| J1m | imo | 21:19 |
| philiKON | well, it does say something like that at the end of the issue | 21:19 |
| J1m | For now, I'm gona just make the UIs I can fine more restrictive and call it a band-aide. | 21:19 |
| philiKON | ok | 21:20 |
| J1m | I think it's too big an issue for a bug fix. | 21:20 |
| philiKON | basically, principal.ids need to be str()able, that's what several places inside zope expect | 21:20 |
| philiKON | agreed | 21:20 |
| philiKON | in the long-term ( and i can follow up on this in the issue), i think we want to review what IDs are | 21:20 |
| philiKON | i think 8 byte strings are stupid there | 21:20 |
| J1m | I think that there are other unstated requirements in those other systems. | 21:20 |
| philiKON | either unicode or ascii | 21:20 |
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| J1m | These need to be teased out. | 21:21 |
| philiKON | yes, that too | 21:21 |
| J1m | This is the least controversial of the 2 remaining critical issues, so I want to knock it out first. | 21:21 |
| philiKON | understood | 21:22 |
| philiKON | good luck | 21:22 |
| J1m | Thanks | 21:22 |
| J1m | Good night. | 21:22 |
| philiKON | and good night :) | 21:22 |
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| jenner | Ideas anyone (wrt ForbiddenAttribute exception)? | 21:29 |
| J1m | Look for a missing security declaration. | 21:29 |
| J1m | runyaga, I think scale was a major factor for Bruce. | 21:32 |
| runyaga | yeah | 21:32 |
| J1m | Zope isn't currently aimed at small problems. | 21:32 |
| runyaga | just talking to srichter in msgs about it | 21:32 |
| runyaga | J1m: i agree.. i think martijn hit it with "we dont scale down" | 21:32 |
| J1m | My Bobo project was meant to be a response to the scale issue. | 21:32 |
| runyaga | we should have some feedback to you by pycon about "scale down" | 21:32 |
| J1m | But I haven't had time to work on it. :( | 21:32 |
| runyaga | J1m: not enough time | 21:32 |
| runyaga | J1m: sorry to hear that | 21:32 |
| jenner | J1m: zope.publisher.http.setResult() does also create a DirectResult by itself if it doesn't encounter an object adaptable to IResult and there's no exception raised :( Also, I don't see where the appropriate security declaration would be defined (for DirectResult.headers that is) | 21:33 |
| J1m | jenner, I don't have context for what you just said. | 21:34 |
| SteveA | runyaga: i too want to talk with people about this at pycon | 21:35 |
| J1m | Oh yeah, pycon. I need to announce the sprint .... | 21:35 |
| jenner | J1m: in a browser view method I return DirectResult(some_iterable, some_headers) and at this point an exception from zope.publisher.http.HTTPResponse.setResult() (line 786) is raised - ForbiddenAttribute: ('headers', <zope.publisher.http.DirectResult object at 0xb491fb2c>) | 21:37 |
| J1m | ah | 21:38 |
| J1m | We need security declarations for DirectResult. | 21:38 |
| J1m | Could you submit a critical collector issue please? | 21:38 |
| jenner | Ok, will do | 21:38 |
| J1m | (Unless you are a contributor, in which case, you could just fix it. :) | 21:38 |
| jenner | No I'm not... I'm just trying to make my first steps in z3 app development :) | 21:39 |
| * srichter has to go back to research; MatLab scripting sucks | 21:39 | |
| jenner | J1m: so does that mean I can't use DirectResult yet? Or is there a way to override (missing) security declarations in my own configure.zcml? | 21:40 |
| J1m | You can add declarations in your own overrides.zcml. | 21:40 |
| J1m | Then, when I add them (if someone reminds me via a collector issue), you won't have a conflict. | 21:41 |
| jenner | J1m: Ok, thanks. | 21:41 |
| GaryPoster | jenner: that was J1m being subtle. He wants you to but in a collector issue. :-) | 21:41 |
| GaryPoster | s/but/put/ | 21:41 |
| jenner | GaryPoster: already doing so :) | 21:44 |
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| GaryPoster | :-) cool | 21:45 |
| jenner | unbelievable, my zope.org account is still valid | 21:47 |
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| jenner | http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/524 | 21:49 |
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| J1m | http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/PyCon2006Sprint | 21:55 |
| J1m | feel free to add yourself to the list of participants or update the project list of you're going to be there. | 21:55 |
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| * jenner tries to guess if "http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3Book/secureobjects.html" is the right address for getting started with z3 security machinery | 21:58 | |
| srichter | jenner:yep | 21:59 |
| GaryPoster | jenner: other options include (in no particular order, but all very different approaches from one another) looking the *.txt files in zope.security, buying Philipp's book, or buying Stephan's book (the edited version of what you are reading it now, or perhaps Stephan would put a finer point on it). The .txt files are particularly good for that module, I think, but are geared toward people wanting to know the real nitty gritty. I imagine one of the bo | 22:04 |
| jenner | GaryPoster: I'm poor student, I can't afford to buy dead-tree versions of computer literature :)) | 22:05 |
| GaryPoster | ok | 22:06 |
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| GaryPoster | srichter: afaict there is no such thing as a locale duration formatter in zope.i18n. You happen to know if the database has the necessary information? | 22:48 |
| srichter | no, I don't think there is information in the locale files for this | 22:49 |
| srichter | maybe in newer versions? | 22:49 |
| GaryPoster | hm, maybe. how old is ours? | 22:49 |
| srichter | maybe a year | 22:49 |
| GaryPoster | ok | 22:49 |
| GaryPoster | maybe I'll dig into it later. For now, naive will do. :-) | 22:50 |
| srichter | note though, that they might have changed the XML format again; I am not sure | 22:50 |
| GaryPoster | I thought I remebered that :-/ I hope not | 22:50 |
| J1m | srichter, we should consider using the C library | 22:50 |
| srichter | fine with me | 22:51 |
| J1m | If you point me at some apis, I'd be happy to pyrex them. :) | 22:51 |
| J1m | Now that I've done 1, I'm guessing that others would be straightforward. | 22:51 |
| srichter | I'll note that I have very little motivation these days for doing any work on the I18n framework; for all that I care it works | 22:52 |
| srichter | I bet that it is not just a matter of Pyrex'ing it | 22:52 |
| srichter | because the structure for the locale object it generates is probably very different | 22:53 |
| srichter | or maybe it does not even generate a locale object, but just uses the data | 22:53 |
| J1m | Pyrex pretty much makes that simple. | 22:54 |
| J1m | You get an opaque object and expose what you want. | 22:54 |
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| J1m | srichter, if you've lost motivation for i18n, who's going to maintain our custom implementation of ICU? :) | 23:06 |
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