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| stub | zope.configuration.config.ConfigurationExecutionError: exceptions.AttributeError: 'GlobalSiteManager' object has no attribute 'Adapters' | 16:07 |
| stub | That sound familiar to anyone? Migrating a customized Zope 3.0 system to 3.2 | 16:08 |
| srichter | well, it should be lowercas adapters | 16:08 |
| srichter | can you give me the last entry of the traceback stack? | 16:08 |
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| stub | srichter: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sPcZag65.html | 16:42 |
| stub | Hmm... I spy some upper cased Adapters in our code, although I can't see how they would trigger ZCML errors | 16:45 |
| * stub has a closer look | 16:45 | |
| stub | Ahh... | 16:46 |
| srichter | are you defining your own defaultView directive? | 16:51 |
| stub | Yer - I think I've found it now. Cargo culted code, and the original has now changed. | 16:51 |
| stub | Huh... looks like our customization was pushed to Zope 3.2 anyway. Might as well rip that out then.. | 16:55 |
| stub | Ta. | 16:58 |
| * stub moves onto the next exception | 16:58 | |
| * efge likes the concept of "cargo culted" code :) | 16:59 | |
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| GaryPoster | efge: Hey. I want to point someone to the Zope 3 LDAP PAU work. Jim said that you had written most of the pertinent code; that it was broken because of some PAU refactorings; and that the breakage might be shallow. In the repo I see ldapadapter, ldapauth, and ldappas projects. To what should I point? Do they projects interact in some way? | 17:07 |
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| srichter | GaryPoster: ldapadpter and ldapauth should be working | 17:11 |
| GaryPoster | srichter, oh, ok cool. And they are PAU plugins? | 17:11 |
| srichter | GaryPoster: I fixed those back in June or July to work with the latest auth code; it might have been broken since then, but I doubt it | 17:12 |
| srichter | yes | 17:12 |
| srichter | there are unittests, so just see whether they pass | 17:12 |
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| GaryPoster | srichter: OK, will do, thanks. Save me one other bit, if you don't mind :-) . Does one rely on the other? | 17:13 |
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| srichter | I also have a nice real source test setup, which I need to get released | 17:13 |
| GaryPoster | oh, cool | 17:13 |
| srichter | yes, ldapauth depends on ldapadapter | 17:13 |
| GaryPoster | ok, cool. Thanks, srichter! | 17:13 |
| srichter | ldapadapter defines an API similar to RDB Adapter | 17:13 |
| srichter | ldapauth uses that API to make its querries | 17:13 |
| GaryPoster | Ah, ok, cool | 17:14 |
| srichter | much like sqlauth uses RDB adapters | 17:14 |
| GaryPoster | Gotcha. | 17:14 |
| GaryPoster | Suddenly I have to run, but will be back in an hour or two | 17:14 |
| GaryPoster | Thanks again | 17:14 |
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| stub | Can someone confirm that IPublicationRequestFactory in zope/app/publication/interfaces.py is broken? The default implementation in zope/app/publication/httpfactory.py has different arguments to the __call__ method | 17:16 |
| stub | Ohh... its a backwards compatibility hack | 17:17 |
| efge | GaryPoster: yo | 17:23 |
| efge | srichter: hi too :) | 17:23 |
| efge | GaryPoster: srichter refactored that code last. I think the modules are ldappas and ldapadapter. ldapauth is a previous ldap auth module someone wrote, which is not for PAU | 17:24 |
| efge | maybe I have switched the names around in my head | 17:24 |
| srichter | err, I thought ldappas was the old one | 17:28 |
| srichter | let me check | 17:28 |
| srichter | GaryPoster: efge is right, the ldappas package is what you want | 17:28 |
| srichter | sorry | 17:29 |
| efge | and it should be renamed to ldappau :) | 17:30 |
| srichter | yeah | 17:31 |
| srichter | or even better, remove ldapauth and rename ldappas to ldapauth | 17:31 |
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| efge | yep | 17:40 |
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| faassen | J1m: your proposal was indeed very arcane. Just read my reply to yours, ignore my arguing for ZCML the language. :) | 19:36 |
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| * philiKON replying to faassen right now :) | 19:43 | |
| efge | man, it's that time of the day again when suddenly 30 messages appear in zope3-dev@zope.org... | 19:45 |
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| philiKON | hehe | 19:51 |
| philiKON | that "america has woken up" time :) | 19:51 |
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| faassen | philiKON: what're you replying to? if for my argument for ZCMl the language, then give it up, I don't need to argue it anymore. :) | 19:53 |
| philiKON | faassen, you stopped liking ZCML? | 19:55 |
| philiKON | anyways, sent now | 19:55 |
| faassen | philiKON: what do you mean, I stopped liking ZCML? | 19:55 |
| philiKON | i couldn't really parse that sentence above | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: I misunderstood Jim's proposal. | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: so I argued for ZCML | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: but Jim's proposal isn't really about replacing ZCML with ZConfig syntax. | 19:56 |
| philiKON | it's about alternate zconfig syntaxes | 19:56 |
| philiKON | err | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: as far as I understand now. isntead it's to use the ZCML engine to implement ZConfig | 19:56 |
| philiKON | alternate syntaxes | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: to allow extensibility ala ZCML for Zconfig. | 19:56 |
| philiKON | that's just one part of it | 19:56 |
| faassen | philiKON: this is as far as I understand it now. | 19:56 |
| philiKON | "Some people feel that using XML for configuration is too cumbersome. They would like to use different formats. " | 19:57 |
| faassen | philiKON: yeah, anyway, I don't really know what his proposal is anymore. | 19:57 |
| faassen | philiKON: that is what triggered me. | 19:57 |
| philiKON | "As a format, ZConfig has been very popular. It is less intimidating that ZCML" | 19:57 |
| philiKON | I'm pretty sure it's about providing an alternate syntax for zope.configuration | 19:57 |
| philiKON | ZCML being the original one, ZConfig being a new one | 19:58 |
| faassen | anyway, I think ZCML syntax isn't the main problem. ZCML semantics is another discussion. | 19:59 |
| philiKON | but i agree, the proposal itself is a bit weird. i don't even understand half of the technical stuff there... the -C and -X options, the SAX events, etc.... | 19:59 |
| philiKON | i agree | 19:59 |
| philiKON | anyways, going to bed | 19:59 |
| faassen | I think there are problems with that. And it's true that XML is intimidating for many Python programmers, but replacing it with another configuration format won't help. anything else than Python will be intimidating to them. | 19:59 |
| faassen | philiKON: see you! | 19:59 |
| philiKON | faassen, good point | 19:59 |
| srichter | I think all what Jim is proposing is that he would like to use ZCML to extend ZConfig | 20:00 |
| srichter | basically meta directives for ZConfig | 20:00 |
| philiKON | then 99% of zope3-dev posters are misreading the proposal | 20:01 |
| philiKON | including myself | 20:01 |
| srichter | he has explained this idea to me beofre, so I know, though I agree the wording was very confusing to me as well | 20:01 |
| philiKON | which is jsut as well a point for having it improved | 20:01 |
| philiKON | srichter, i still think the proposal is about having an alternate configuration format for configuring components | 20:02 |
| philiKON | at least that's what everything in the wording is suggesting | 20:02 |
| srichter | ok, I am pretty sure it is not, but let's have Jim clarify that :-) | 20:03 |
| * philiKON rereads | 20:03 | |
| efge | what'd be nicer for admins is a INI-style format for the zope.configuration engine... | 20:03 |
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| philiKON | srichter, hmmm. you know what, if i put a lot of imaginary explanatory sentences in there, you might be right | 20:04 |
| philiKON | though that will basically mean ZConfig will use zope.configuration as a backend | 20:05 |
| philiKON | and that will mean you'll be able to use ZConfig for component confiugration :) | 20:05 |
| faassen | right, once Jim said, huh, what, geez, I'm not proposing that. | 20:05 |
| faassen | in a reply to me. | 20:05 |
| faassen | I think he means something else. | 20:06 |
| srichter | faassen: yeah, I think your latest mail gets it right | 20:06 |
| * philiKON just read it | 20:06 | |
| * philiKON recommends to J1m to make the proposal much clearer | 20:06 | |
| philiKON | it got like 90% of the people on zope3-dev very confused and started a zcml flame war :) | 20:07 |
| philiKON | yet another i should add ;) | 20:07 |
| srichter | basically, the extension mechanism for ZConfig is very complex right now adn is a lot of code | 20:07 |
| philiKON | right, i see | 20:07 |
| J1m | It's amazing that nearly everyone who read the proposal seems to have completely missed the intent. | 20:07 |
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| philiKON | J1m, the title already threw many people off track, i bet | 20:12 |
| philiKON | then the usage of words like "intimidating" and "cumbersome" wrt ZCML/XML did the rest :) | 20:12 |
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| efge | also people quickly mixed the proposal with one of its direct consequences which is that you could then express zope.conf in XML easily | 20:13 |
| faassen | efge: or .zcml files in zconfig? :) | 20:14 |
| efge | faassen: that too... | 20:15 |
| efge | for masochists | 20:15 |
| efge | and xml-haters :) | 20:16 |
| faassen | :) | 20:18 |
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| efge | J1m: ayt? | 21:14 |
| J1m | no | 21:14 |
| efge | J1m: did you find about the trace logger? | 21:14 |
| J1m | Fraid so | 21:14 |
| J1m | what a mess | 21:14 |
| efge | it's the one that outputs B/I/E/O stuff during publishing | 21:15 |
| J1m | yes | 21:15 |
| J1m | and it dow goes through the loging package | 21:15 |
| J1m | It wasn't slow enough before I guess | 21:15 |
| efge | heh | 21:15 |
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| efge | bbl | 21:15 |
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| mcdonc | i did it. sorry. :-( | 21:18 |
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| GaryPoster | efge: hours later, thank you for the LDAP info. :-) | 23:57 |
| efge | heh | 23:58 |
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