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| rocky | are there any z3 util methods anyplace for generating "safe" id from a given string? | 14:29 |
| rocky | safe id to place as the name of an item in a container i mean | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | how do you define "safe"? | 14:31 |
| rocky | mgedmin: well, if i have a string "Hello, this is a & very odd string" i assume & and probably spaces are invalid characters for a contained name ? | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | no, zope 3 containers allow any nonempty Unicode strings as names | 14:32 |
| rocky | oh, i didn't realize that | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | and it all ought to work if you're careful enough to quote them when you generate URLs and sucj | 14:32 |
| rocky | z2 has a high restrictions | 14:32 |
| rocky | well, in any event i've created my own util method that "sanitizes" the url so "Hello, said the big Cheezy" would become hello-said-the-big-cheezy ... something easy to type into a url | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | yes, that produces nicer URLs | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | SchoolTool has a SimpleNameChooser adapter that makes these from an object's title attribute | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | actually, I'm not so sure about there being no restrictions whatsoever | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | starting a name with a '+' or a '@' may interfere with traversal rules | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | a name that contains '/' might also cause problems | 14:38 |
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| rocky | hm, if i'm inside a view template and i have an instance of a content object, what is the quickest way to determine its url? | 15:28 |
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| Theuni | i remember something like object/@@absolute_url | 15:33 |
| Theuni | i'm not sure that's correct | 15:33 |
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| rocky | i'd like to have several of my properties map directly to dublin core properties ... i guess the best way to do that would be to provide my own dublincore adapter ? | 15:38 |
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| Theuni | jup | 15:39 |
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| philiKON | rocky, yes and no | 15:55 |
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| philiKON | rocky, you can also update the DC data whenever your main object data changes | 15:55 |
| philiKON | rocky, my book has an example for that (for dc:title) | 15:55 |
| rocky | philiKON: well, i'm currently using your technique in your book to use events to update my dublin core attributes | 15:55 |
| rocky | philiKON: hehe, yeah | 15:55 |
| rocky | thats what i'm using currently | 15:55 |
| philiKON | and yeah, @@absolute_url is correct | 15:56 |
| rocky | but seems redundant to have name/description mapping to DC title/description attributes, i'm storing double the data ;) | 15:56 |
| philiKON | true | 15:56 |
| philiKON | yeah, you can customize the DC annotation adapter | 15:56 |
| philiKON | should be pretty easy :) | 15:56 |
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| rocky | well i wouldn't even need to customize the DC annotation adapter... but rather just provide an adapter for IDublinCore and the adapter would know to read non-annotation properties for title/description and write the same | 15:58 |
| rocky | hm, default formlib.EditForm doesn't send a notification event after its updated the object? that seems strange | 15:59 |
| rocky | oh yes it does | 16:00 |
| rocky | lol | 16:00 |
| rocky | i guess it'd help if i plugged my subscribers into the zcml | 16:00 |
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| rocky | philiKON: ping | 16:59 |
| philiKON | rocky, pong | 17:00 |
| rocky | philiKON: i'm unit testing my view components on z3.3, what setup stuff do i normally have to do to accomplish that? | 17:00 |
| rocky | obviously zope.component.testing.setUp | 17:00 |
| philiKON | depends on what your view needs | 17:00 |
| philiKON | see fi zope.component.testing is enough | 17:01 |
| rocky | the views extend formlib forms but other than that they are very rudimentary | 17:01 |
| philiKON | and work your way up :) | 17:01 |
| philiKON | you might need widgets, etc. | 17:01 |
| rocky | well, how do i go about registering my view for my object? i assume i don't simply load up the zcml for my browser stuff... | 17:01 |
| philiKON | you can either load the zcml | 17:02 |
| philiKON | or just do z.c.provideAdapter | 17:02 |
| philiKON | or, why do you want to register it all? you could also just instantiate it | 17:02 |
| philiKON | after all, you're testing a specific component | 17:02 |
| philiKON | so you know which one to instantiate | 17:02 |
| rocky | hm... thats an idea | 17:02 |
| philiKON | no need to do the register/lookup dance | 17:02 |
| philiKON | i'd really not spend too much time unit testing views, btw. i prefer writing testbrowser tests | 17:03 |
| rocky | i guess the register/lookup dance should probably be left to functional tests? | 17:03 |
| philiKON | right | 17:03 |
| philiKON | in ftests, all ZCML gets loaded anyways | 17:03 |
| rocky | for zope, functional and integration are synomonous right? | 17:03 |
| rocky | (wrt tests) | 17:03 |
| philiKON | well, test browser makes ftests more blackboxy than they used to be | 17:04 |
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| philiKON | depending on which test browser object you instantiate, it actually goes over a live HTTP wire | 17:04 |
| rocky | right | 17:04 |
| philiKON | so, that'd be 100% black box | 17:04 |
| rocky | so 3 classes of tests: unit, integration, and functional (functional being testbrowser) ... | 17:05 |
| rocky | and in my case i appear to be only doing unit and functional (i will be doing testbrowser tests) | 17:05 |
| philiKON | right | 17:05 |
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| rocky | so you think with good unit and functional tests, integration tests aren't necessary ? | 17:05 |
| philiKON | yup | 17:05 |
| philiKON | depends on the app, i guess | 17:06 |
| philiKON | and the components you test.... | 17:06 |
| philiKON | gotta go. ttyl | 17:06 |
| rocky | later, and thanks | 17:06 |
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| projekt01 | benji, ayt? | 17:46 |
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| benji | am now, projekt01 | 17:48 |
| projekt01 | Does your testbrowser make progress? | 17:48 |
| benji | the browser backend? yep, it's my current "personal" project; I hope to have a working version in the next week (two at most) | 17:49 |
| benji | (or were you referring to something else?) | 17:49 |
| projekt01 | no that sounds cool, I just was thinking of testing some JS code. | 17:50 |
| projekt01 | I can't wait to see that working ;-) | 17:51 |
| benji | is it "pure" JS tests (unit tests) or embeded in a page (functional tests)? | 17:51 |
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| projekt01 | benji, sorry, I got a phone call, its a base test for a small library where does xml http requests | 18:06 |
| projekt01 | the JS is located in a file used in sample page | 18:07 |
| projekt01 | I like to setup a browser test and use xy.click() etc. Is this possible? | 18:08 |
| benji | If I understand you correctly, yes it should be possible, the main reason I was asking was to let you know that there are (passable) JS unit test frameworks available; I'm considering the one mochikit uses | 18:09 |
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| projekt01 | benji, I know I implemented some years ago JSUnit for Zope3 and wrote some tests forthe xmltree in Rotterdam skin. | 18:12 |
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| projekt01 | I'm not sure if I should re-activate the old project again. svn://svn.tiks.org/repos/Collective/jsunit | 18:14 |
| projekt01 | Benji, do you know if there is another jsunit implementation for z3 or something similar? | 18:15 |
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| Theuni | J1m: lol *G | 18:58 |
| J1m | :) | 18:58 |
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| * faassen tries to find out what funny thing happened where. :0 | 19:02 | |
| benji | I think they're referring to a thread on zope3-dev | 19:04 |
| philiKON | Theuni, see my email regarding the missing BBB packages in zope 3.3b1 | 19:11 |
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| Theuni | saw it | 19:13 |
| Theuni | good that it's so easy to resolve | 19:13 |
| philiKON | yeah, make a new beta ;) | 19:14 |
| J1m | Nobody tris beta. | 19:14 |
| J1m | tries | 19:14 |
| J1m | has to be a final. | 19:14 |
| J1m | In fact, probably a .1. | 19:15 |
| benji | apparently Theuni tries betas :) | 19:15 |
| philiKON | J1m, i think lots of people are trying zope 3.3b1 | 19:15 |
| philiKON | if they're not tryin gthe release, it's because they're trying the checkout directly | 19:15 |
| Theuni | apparently i get so confused how to work with checkouts that I also use the releases | 19:16 |
| Theuni | and as long as we have packaging issues, we should be betaing | 19:16 |
| philiKON | Theuni, what's confusing abut them? | 19:16 |
| Theuni | dunno. that's the confusing part ;) | 19:16 |
| philiKON | uh huh | 19:16 |
| philiKON | svn co ...; make ; bin/mkzopeinstance | 19:17 |
| philiKON | that's the usual dance for me | 19:17 |
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| Pupeno | is the macro context/@@form_macros/widget_rows provided by zope ? | 19:31 |
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| mgedmin | Pupeno: yes, usually -- although a skin can override it | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | just look for a view named 'form_macros' in various zcml files | 19:41 |
| Pupeno | ok. thank you. | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | I suppose ++apidoc++ can be useful here | 19:41 |
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| rocky | hrm, what do you all do when you change the signature of your class and installed instances can no longer be listed in the zmi so its not possible to just delete them from the zmi ? | 20:01 |
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| mgedmin | rm Data.fs* | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | well, that's what I do | 20:06 |
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| mgedmin | the alternative is to make an alias for the old class name in the old module | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | what exactly do you mean by "changing the signature of a class"? | 20:07 |
| rocky | class Foo(btree.BTreeContainer) becomes class Foo(ordered.OrderedContainer) | 20:07 |
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| rocky | hm, is it possible to query an adapter on a class such that i have an adapter than i can apply against any instance of that class? or does that just not make any sense? | 20:26 |
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| efge | huh? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | rocky: your situation is tricky: what you need to do is to write a generation script that finds all instances of your class and recreates them | 20:36 |
| rocky | mgedmin: yeah, this is only during development though... so what i ended up doing was fudging my couple instances with enough dummy attributes to make the zmi work and then i deleted them ;) | 20:37 |
| efge | rocky: you can monkey-patch __bases__ too if that helps :) | 20:39 |
| rocky | lol | 20:39 |
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