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| WebMaven | jinty: Hi Brian. | 02:27 |
| jinty | hey WebMaven | 02:27 |
| * jinty is still downloading his mail;) | 02:28 | |
| WebMaven | jinty: So, is there anything I can do to help you diagnose or test for the mysqldbda timeout problem? | 02:28 |
| jinty | if I make a patch, will you test it? basically that's it | 02:28 |
| WebMaven | jinty: Ah, OK. I'm here for the next few hours. | 02:28 |
| WebMaven | jinty: Yes, definitely. | 02:29 |
| WebMaven | But I won't know if it worked until 8-9 hours later. | 02:29 |
| jinty | because we're not in unit/functional testing kansas anymore | 02:29 |
| jinty | I don't mind:) | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | OK, then. | 02:30 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: Well, in theory, you could control MySQL's timeout with a command-line arg. | 02:31 |
| WebMaven | so that it times out in 1 minute. | 02:31 |
| jinty | and you re-connect every request;) | 02:32 |
| WebMaven | But in my case, although I *think* I can do that on my desktop, in the host env MySQL isn't under my control. | 02:32 |
| jinty | but really you have a ready made test environment which would cost me a lot of work to duplicate. | 02:33 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: As I said, if you don't mind waiting, I will test it. | 02:33 |
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| WebMaven | if you want to put it on a branch, I can do a checkout of the branch. If you want me to apply a patch, I can do that too. | 02:36 |
| WebMaven | is your change just the added code in the thread (ie. here: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2005-December/017152.html) ? | 02:39 |
| WebMaven | jinty ? | 02:41 |
| jinty | I'm having a read thorugh the thread to remember all the details;) | 02:42 |
| WebMaven | Ah, OK. | 02:42 |
| jinty | I seem to remember thinking that patch wasn't good enough | 02:42 |
| jinty | I think I posted a message about it, but can't remember now | 02:42 |
| jinty | hmm | 02:42 |
| WebMaven | I considered just applying it myself, but something about it made me feel... itchy. | 02:43 |
| WebMaven | So, I posted to the list instead. | 02:43 |
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| jinty | well, there's that bare except for example;) | 02:51 |
| jinty | WebMaven: any ideas what exception should be caught there? | 02:51 |
| WebMaven | Umm. | 02:52 |
| WebMaven | Does the one that I'm seeing in the traceback make sense? | 02:52 |
| WebMaven | or is that no good because itraised after the connection has | 02:53 |
| WebMaven | Sorry, I meant: or is that no good because it is raised after the connection has already failed? | 02:53 |
| jinty | no, the one ping should raise if it cannot find a connection | 02:55 |
| WebMaven | Oh, you meant what exception should be raised... Hmm... | 02:57 |
| WebMaven | No idea. | 02:58 |
| jinty | Seems like it's this in my test: | 02:58 |
| jinty | Traceback (most recent call last): | 02:58 |
| jinty | File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? | 02:58 |
| jinty | _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)") | 02:58 |
| WebMaven | Would it be the same as if you tried to make a connection to a non-existen server? | 02:59 |
| jinty | dunno, my test was with my MySQL shut down | 03:04 |
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| jinty | when I re-start, it magically re-connects... | 03:07 |
| WebMaven | Sounds good. | 03:12 |
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| WebMaven | Reading through the errors defined in MySQL-Python's _mysql_exeptions.py, it seems as though OperationalError is the right one. | 03:13 |
| jinty | ok, just sent my best effort at a patch to the list | 03:14 |
| jinty | catches only OperationalError | 03:15 |
| jinty | and puts a bare except around the closing of the connection | 03:15 |
| * WebMaven scratches head. | 03:18 | |
| WebMaven | OK. | 03:18 |
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| jinty | if close() fails, _v_connection is not set to None, and you get to start the cycle again in the next request;) | 03:21 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: It's not working for me. | 03:28 |
| WebMaven | jinty: I'm trying to paste it, but the pastebin is slow. | 03:31 |
| jinty | WebMaven: I also sent an alternative that's much simpler | 03:32 |
| WebMaven | jinty: http://paste.plone.org/10707 | 03:32 |
| jinty | ah | 03:33 |
| jinty | hmm well there's the reason people felt the need for the bare except | 03:35 |
| WebMaven | the simpler patch works. | 03:37 |
| jinty | well;) | 03:37 |
| jinty | there's a lot to be said for simplicity | 03:37 |
| WebMaven | Always. | 03:37 |
| jinty | now, does it work after 8 hours | 03:38 |
| WebMaven | I'll let you know tomorrow. ;-) | 03:38 |
| WebMaven | jinty: So, the first patch failed because the connection was None, so you couldn't ping it. | 03:45 |
| jinty | exactly | 03:45 |
| WebMaven | But even if the the connection is not None, couldn't an OperationalError be raised? | 03:46 |
| * WebMaven is groping in the dark here... | 03:47 | |
| jinty | I think ping re-connects automatically | 03:47 |
| jinty | so if OperationalError is raised, your server is probably down | 03:47 |
| WebMaven | Ah. | 03:48 |
| jinty | and then OperationalError is the least of your problems | 03:48 |
| WebMaven | OK. | 03:48 |
| jinty | or at least my experiments/the docs say ping re-connects | 03:48 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: OK, that makes sense. | 03:49 |
| WebMaven | Are you going to post the simpler patch too? | 03:49 |
| jinty | yeah, if it works;) (maybe posting many non-functional patches to a list is a bad idea) | 03:52 |
| jinty | http://lazutkin.com/blog/2005/sep/4/django_and_mysqldb_worries/ | 03:53 |
| WebMaven | Well, OK, but the simple patch at least doesn't make Zope barf. | 04:04 |
| WebMaven | Wheras the first one definitely did. | 04:05 |
| WebMaven | Heh. "Doesn't work in an interesting way!" | 04:07 |
| jinty | well, the way it didn't work kinda lead me to the second patch... | 04:11 |
| WebMaven | also, see this followup on the link you pasted: http://lazutkin.com/blog/2005/sep/5/django_mysql_problem_solved/ | 04:11 |
| jinty | hmm, different problem to ours | 04:12 |
| jinty | _v_connection is actually a property that gets the connection from a thread local... | 04:14 |
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| WebMaven | Does anyone have a generic event content type? | 04:27 |
| WebMaven | I mean something like a Plone Event. | 04:40 |
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| febb | hello again | 06:03 |
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| febb | hi all: any ideas regarding this error after passing all tests (make check) , this is python Fedora Core 5, Python 2.4.3, Zope 3.2.1: | 07:35 |
| febb | Ran 8045 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 1019.707 seconds. | 07:35 |
| febb | Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: | 07:35 |
| febb | Traceback (most recent call last): | 07:35 |
| febb | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/atexit.py", line 24, in _run_exitfuncs | 07:35 |
| febb | func(*targs, **kargs) | 07:36 |
| febb | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/logging/__init__.py", line 1332, in shutdown | 07:36 |
| febb | h.flush() | 07:36 |
| febb | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/logging/__init__.py", line 718, in flush | 07:36 |
| febb | self.stream.flush() | 07:36 |
| febb | ValueError: I/O operation on closed file | 07:36 |
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| eins | hi all | 08:07 |
| febb | hi eins | 08:07 |
| eins | febb hey | 08:12 |
| eins | ;) | 08:12 |
| febb | eins, how are you ? | 08:12 |
| eins | probably quite well ;) | 08:18 |
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| febb | thats too bad. hope you get well. I am trying to solve an installation error with Z3, just after the make check and sucessful tests. | 08:25 |
| febb | then I get a ValueError: I/O operation on closed file and traceback.... | 08:26 |
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| romanofski | moin | 09:33 |
| * baijum wathing Keynote by Martijn Faassen http://podcasts.plonetv.de/ep05/cltv05-mpeg.mov | 09:37 | |
| * baijum Zope History is really interesting, Zope 3 is great but not zope.org.. | 09:39 | |
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| * baijum : Yes, we need to actively engage our Python friends/competitors | 09:44 | |
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| baijum | http://digg.com/programming/Python_2_5_final_released | 15:57 |
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| faassen | whit: hey | 16:40 |
| whit | hiya faassen | 16:40 |
| faassen | whit: just sent you another email. | 16:41 |
| whit | cool | 16:41 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: AYT? | 18:00 |
| jinty | hey WebMaven | 18:00 |
| jinty | any luck? | 18:00 |
| WebMaven | Didn't work. | 18:00 |
| jinty | hmm, can you pastebin something? | 18:01 |
| WebMaven | Yes. One moment. | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | pastey.net is faster than pastebin.com | 18:01 |
| WebMaven | http://paste.plone.org/10711 | 18:03 |
| WebMaven | jinty: so, any ideas? | 18:07 |
| * jinty curses the docstring of the ping function | 18:08 | |
| * WebMaven summons the forces of darkness and chaos to assist in jinty's curse... | 18:09 | |
| WebMaven | jinty, I'll be afk for about 10 minutes, OK? | 18:12 |
| jinty | sure | 18:13 |
| jinty | busy mixing the two patches from yesterday | 18:13 |
| WebMaven | jinty: back | 18:23 |
| jinty | hmm, if ping fails, do we really need to close the connection? | 18:25 |
| WebMaven | dunno. | 18:28 |
| WebMaven | Wasn't ping supposed to automatically reopen the connection? | 18:29 |
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| jinty | yeah, it was | 18:30 |
| WebMaven | Looking at the 'Jim Washington' patch again... | 18:30 |
| WebMaven | OK, so your objection to that one was mostly the bare except, right? | 18:31 |
| jinty | mysql_ping will only attempt to automatically reconnect if that option has been previously set. As of 5.0.3 the default is to not reconnect. | 18:31 |
| jinty | do you have mysql greater than 5.0.3? | 18:32 |
| WebMaven | Let me check... | 18:32 |
| jinty | from here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-ping.html | 18:32 |
| jinty | anyway, sent you a new patch | 18:32 |
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| WebMaven | 5.0.19 | 18:33 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: still haven't got it... | 18:37 |
| jinty | resent | 18:42 |
| WebMaven | ok, got it this time. | 18:43 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 18:43 |
| WebMaven | Is the retry stuff necessary? | 18:43 |
| WebMaven | Does that result in a prgressive backing off behavior? | 18:43 |
| WebMaven | Also, would it be cleaner if you were testing for 'is None', and returning False, and then put everything else in an 'else'? | 18:46 |
| jinty | well, I presume the publisher will only retry the request a certain number of times. | 18:46 |
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| jinty | feel free to modify:) | 18:47 |
| jinty | yeah it does look nicer | 18:49 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: Will the publisher retrying ever result in the connection being re-established? | 18:53 |
| jinty | yes, precisely becuse we set _v_connection to None | 18:54 |
| jinty | to on the next retry, isConnected returns false | 18:54 |
| jinty | and then it's caller connect() in zope.rdb will connect. | 18:54 |
| WebMaven | Aha. So it's an indirect recursion. | 18:54 |
| jinty | this way you can do the right thing even if you lose your connection half way through the request | 18:55 |
| jinty | once you've already sent SQL to the database | 18:55 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 18:55 |
| WebMaven | OK. | 18:55 |
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| WebMaven | Because just returning False will lose that info? | 18:56 |
| jinty | yep. | 18:57 |
| * jinty get's very worried about persistent DA's now | 18:57 | |
| WebMaven | jinty: does this look better: http://pastey.net/935 | 18:57 |
| jinty | yeah;)... I would even get rid of the else | 19:00 |
| WebMaven | check it now: http://pastey.net/935 | 19:03 |
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| jinty | yep | 19:05 |
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| WebMaven | Well, it works right now. We'll see whether it deals correctly with a timeout | 19:08 |
| WebMaven | Do you need me to email you my revision? | 19:08 |
| WebMaven | jinty: Do you need me to email you my revision? | 19:11 |
| jinty | if it works;) | 19:14 |
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| febb | Hello all. | 19:17 |
| febb | Are there known bugs in Zope 3 (3.2.1) regarding the use of the python (2.4.3) logging mechanism ? (As I am getting a consistent I/O error operation on closed file just after the 'make check' even tough all tests passed sucessfully). | 19:18 |
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| WebMaven | jinty: emailed. | 19:21 |
| jinty | WebMaven, thanks, then I guess till tomorrow | 19:22 |
| srichter | febb: not that I know | 19:23 |
| WebMaven | tomorrow, then. Cheers. | 19:23 |
| WebMaven | jinty: uh, wait... | 19:23 |
| WebMaven | I just noticed that your patch was against a later revision... | 19:24 |
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| WebMaven | you're on rev 70218, My checkout is 70163 | 19:24 |
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| WebMaven | Oh, nm. | 19:25 |
| WebMaven | I just did an svn up, with no changes. | 19:26 |
| febb | sritcher, I am getting that error consistently.... let me put the output on rafb.net/paste... | 19:26 |
| febb | here it is : http://rafb.net/paste/results/yMiue198.html | 19:30 |
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| philiKON | J1m, have you seen martijn's keynote at the DZUG conf yet? | 22:28 |
| J1m | Yup | 22:29 |
| J1m | Pretty funny | 22:29 |
| J1m | and lots of good points. | 22:29 |
| philiKON | yep | 22:29 |
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