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| ghendi | hi all | 10:27 |
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| ghendi | if I have an object that has an attribute expirationDate | 10:27 |
| ghendi | how can I delete it if it reached or passed that date? | 10:27 |
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| Theuni | J1m: ayt? | 18:30 |
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| ignas | srichter: ayt? | 19:01 |
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| srichter | ignas: yes | 19:05 |
| ignas | srichter: were you the person who worked on integration of ICU data into Zope3? | 19:05 |
| srichter | yes | 19:05 |
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| ignas | it seems that there is no collation information in there, was it omitted? | 19:06 |
| srichter | yes, I did not parse the collation information | 19:07 |
| * ignas needs to sort strings by lithuanian alphabet and it seems that the only way to do it is using python locale module | 19:07 | |
| srichter | this needs to be done | 19:07 |
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| srichter | Jim has implemented this with the C implementation before | 19:07 |
| ignas | ? | 19:07 |
| srichter | somewhere Jim implemented collation | 19:07 |
| ignas | oh | 19:08 |
| srichter | http://svn.zope.org/zope.ucol/ | 19:08 |
| srichter | It uses the ICU C implementation for collation and puts a pyrex wrapper around it | 19:08 |
| ignas | hmm | 19:11 |
| srichter | of course you could implement it in Python too | 19:12 |
| ignas | i know | 19:12 |
| srichter | I would look forward to this :-) | 19:12 |
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| ignas | on my copious free time ;) | 19:12 |
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| ignas | yay zope.ucol is an egg | 19:13 |
| srichter | yes | 19:14 |
| * ignas has to svn co zope.html, zope.file and zope.mimetype which is less than optimal | 19:15 | |
| ignas | whom should i annoy to get them packaged too ? | 19:16 |
| srichter | just create an egg for it | 19:16 |
| srichter | ignas: do it yourself | 19:16 |
| ignas | i don't have access to http://download.zope.org/distribution/ | 19:16 |
| srichter | ok, send a message to zope3-dev asking for access | 19:17 |
| srichter | someone will be able to help you, I am sure | 19:17 |
| ignas | hmm, makes sense | 19:17 |
| ignas | ucol egg is broken :) | 19:18 |
| srichter | :-( | 19:19 |
| ignas | 2 more lines in the Makefile till i'll learn how to package an egg | 19:19 |
| ignas | setup.py mumbles about missing CHANGES.txt and fails | 19:20 |
| * srichter knows nothing about eggs and ecipes | 19:21 | |
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| ignas | i know i don't like them | 19:22 |
| srichter | I know enough about them that I will have to like them; simply having a package management system is worth liking it | 19:22 |
| srichter | they will improve in the future, but at least they are being accepted by the Python community, which is the important part | 19:23 |
| ignas | i just can't stop comparing them to other packaging systems (for other languages) i know, and i had a lot of "fun" making "easy"_install work on dapper for schooltool | 19:24 |
| srichter | they will get better | 19:24 |
| srichter | for example Jim wrote that he uses eggs to create RPMs | 19:25 |
| srichter | which sounds interesting to me | 19:25 |
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| ignas | hope so | 19:27 |
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| ignas | oh if only one could losely couple Zope3 packages together ... | 19:33 |
| ignas | like when one is loading zope.ucol if zope.i18n is already loaded, some additional integration code is loaded as well | 19:34 |
| ignas | if not - zope.ucol works finely without some adapters | 19:34 |
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| Theuni | srichter, ignas: eggs aren't that hard or scary. You've got to create two or three of them, then it's very easy. | 20:09 |
| srichter | Theuni: yep, I hope so too, I just did not have the time yet to look at it | 20:10 |
| ignas | Theuni: creating maybe, installing - is scary :) | 20:10 |
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| Theuni | dunno, didn't seem scary to me ;) | 20:10 |
| Theuni | i'm mainly using them together with zc.buildout | 20:10 |
| ignas | Theuni: it's far away from 1 line to install, 1 line to load and 1-2 lines to configure | 20:11 |
| ignas | but that's the fault of distutils or setuptools can't rmemeber now not eggs themselves | 20:12 |
| Theuni | right | 20:12 |
| Theuni | buildout makes that pretty easy | 20:13 |
| ignas | can buildout help if i want eggs locally, i mean if i want eggs to play with them not distribute something? | 20:14 |
| ignas | so i could jus launch python and then install("package_foo"), load("package_foo"), import foo | 20:14 |
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| tim__ | I want to register an IIntIds utility in a functional doctest. Should I register it in setUp() or in the actual doctest? | 21:42 |
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| srichter | timte: You can do it in the setup, however, the fact that the intid utility is not already around during a functional test is a problem | 21:46 |
| srichter | timte: you should look at packages like z3c.configurator or z3c.sampledata to configure your local utilites via Python when a site is created | 21:47 |
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| timte | srichter: are you saying that the intid utility is around by default in a zope site? | 21:49 |
| srichter | no | 21:49 |
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| srichter | but you should have it by the time you run a functional test | 21:50 |
| srichter | because a functional test should test a working application | 21:50 |
| timte | right | 21:50 |
| srichter | if you have to add an intid utility first, it means that your application is not functional to start with | 21:50 |
| timte | another problem I have is that if I add a folder to the site inside setUp() it's gone in the doctest | 21:52 |
| srichter | you have to commit the transaction | 21:54 |
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| timte | How much am I supposed to register myself in a functional test? Seems folders can't be adapted to IKeyReference | 22:03 |
| srichter | nothing | 22:03 |
| srichter | most of the time | 22:04 |
| srichter | all that you functional test should do is setup your application site | 22:04 |
| srichter | the application site should have the intid utility in it | 22:04 |
| srichter | basically, you want to avoid TTW configuration | 22:04 |
| srichter | All you want is a button: Configure everything for me | 22:05 |
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| srichter | As I said before, z3c.configurator or z3c.sampledata should help | 22:05 |
| timte | ok, checking | 22:05 |
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| timte | zope.View isn't defined in the doctest either, I must be doing something wrong? | 23:06 |
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| srichter | zope.View should be available in a function doctest, otherwise it would have probably failed coming up altogether | 23:31 |
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