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d2mgmane.org does not process any postings from mail.zope.org since yesterday evening -- maybe zope mailserver hanging again ?14:44
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philiKONd2m: noticed the same thing14:59
philiKONi have no idea14:59
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faassenphiliKON: so.. tell me what happens when you do..15:45
faassenphiliKON: text = u"<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?><foo>Some non-ascii characters here</foo>"15:45
faassenphiliKON: and then:15:45
faassenphiliKON: text = text.encode('UTF-8')15:45
faassenphiliKON: and then:15:45
faassenphiliKON: pass it to an XML parser?15:46
faassenphiliKON: the XML parser will see the encoding header in the 8-bit string, will assume it's latin 1, run into UTF-8 characters, and we have a problem.15:46
philiKONno idea. it breaks?15:46
faassenphiliKON: therefore ignoring this is not a safe strategy.15:46
philiKONok15:46
philiKONi don't really have time right now15:47
philiKONrespond to my email on the list?15:47
faassenphiliKON: I want to post this to the mailing list but somehow my gmane isn't updating.15:47
philiKONmine neither15:47
philiKONit's a problem15:47
faassenI'll just attach it to the top of the thread. :)15:47
philiKONsure15:48
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philiKONfaassen: a fix for the problem is obviously quite appreciated, too ;)15:51
philiKONmy goal was to prevent a monkey patch in zope 215:51
faassenphiliKON: you just really need to refuse to guess.15:52
philiKONok15:53
faassenphiliKON: it's according to XML spec to do this (in my reading of it) to do this if there is no encoding declaration at all.15:53
philiKONnot sure what that means in that ocntext15:53
faassenphiliKON: then you can argue it's entered in multi-byte encoding and it'll just do the right thing15:53
faassenphiliKON: but if there's an encoding declaration in a unicode string, you just want to complain.15:54
philiKONbut we have the data as unicode already15:54
philiKONanyway, gotta go, meeting15:54
faassenphiliKON: you have a conflicting encoding declaration.15:54
philiKONfaassen: right, perhaps w eshould simply complain about an encoding decl in unicode input15:54
faassenphiliKON: according to spec you can't pass "unicode" into an XML parser, you pass *some* encoding. this just happens to be the Python encoding.15:54
faassennative encoding.15:54
philiKONsounds sensible15:54
faassenright.15:54
philiKONokeydokey15:55
* philiKON afk15:55
faassenthere's probably some code in lxml that does this check15:55
faassenso we could take that.15:55
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faassenphiliKON: I wonder whether the z3/gmane issue isn't specific to the z3 mailing list. something I posted to anotehr mailing list does show up in my own reader.17:51
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d2mi have no idea how to talk to gmane.org17:57
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d2mmaybe they got a support list somewhere17:57
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faassend2m: what I suspect is that the zope 3 mailing list is pehraps not sending messages to that account for whatever reason.18:01
faassend2m: anymore. as it works with non-zope lists.18:01
faassend2m: may be wrong.18:01
d2mfaassen: that was my first idea, happend a few times before18:05
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faassend2m: ah, I think I'm wrong; my posts to another list are not showing up after all :)18:06
faassend2m: anyway, I'll worry about it later, sounds like a gmane problem. :)18:07
d2mfaassen: good to know18:07
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philiKONmgedmin: i just sent you a patch for ezmerge, btw21:12
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mgedminthanks21:12
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