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| turian | Springer's website still lists edition 2 of Philipp's book as shipping in 3-4 weeks :( | 00:32 |
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| J1m | philiKON_, ayt? | 17:44 |
| philiKON_ | yes | 17:44 |
| J1m | do you have any idea how the logging sections in zConfig work? | 17:44 |
| J1m | do you know if they are documented anywhere? | 17:45 |
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| philiKON | J1m: hmmm | 17:46 |
| J1m | I have a vague memory that for Zope 2, the event log didn't effect thr root logger. | 17:46 |
| J1m | actually more than a vague memory | 17:46 |
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| philiKON | it uses stuff from ZConfig.components.logger | 17:47 |
| J1m | Yeah. ZConfig baffles me. | 17:47 |
| philiKON | i typically look at the xml schemas | 17:48 |
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| J1m | It must do something with the root logger though. | 17:50 |
| J1m | Because we log to thr root logger. | 17:50 |
| philiKON | root logger? | 17:50 |
| J1m | Yes | 17:50 |
| J1m | logging.getLogger() returns the root logger. | 17:51 |
| J1m | The Python logging system has a hieratchy of loggers. | 17:51 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 17:51 |
| philiKON | see, i know little about this :/ | 17:51 |
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| J1m | So you don't document zope.conf in your book? | 17:55 |
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| philiKON | J1m: not very well | 17:55 |
| philiKON | not as much as i'd like to | 17:55 |
| J1m | AFAICT, ZConfig is a gigantic obfuscator. | 17:55 |
| philiKON | i'm not a big deployment guy, so i avoided that whole topic in the first ed. | 17:55 |
| philiKON | second ed. mentions more, but not enough | 17:56 |
| J1m | That isn't really ZConfig's fault. | 17:56 |
| J1m | But we bother to create this facility and then don't tell people how to use it. | 17:56 |
| J1m | *developers* care about logging too! | 17:56 |
| philiKON | yeah yeah | 17:56 |
| philiKON | :) | 17:56 |
| philiKON | all i have are cheap excuses, i know | 17:57 |
| J1m | My vent is not aimed at you. | 17:57 |
| J1m | As a project, we need to figure out what we're going to do well and only do that. | 17:58 |
| philiKON | agreed | 17:58 |
| J1m | But ZConfig is a special sore spot for me because it causes me ongoing pain. | 17:58 |
| J1m | It is soo frigging hard to change or to even figure out what is going on. | 17:58 |
| J1m | I can only get things done with it at all because Fred is a coworker. | 17:59 |
| philiKON | i need to leave | 17:59 |
| J1m | I just spent 30 minutes staring at the schemas and handlers and still don't know what's going on. | 17:59 |
| J1m | That's OK, I don't need you to vent. :) | 18:00 |
| ignas | :) | 18:00 |
| philiKON | ttyl | 18:00 |
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| noZoper | can a zope instance be reset? - component registrations removed | 18:43 |
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| philiKON_ | noZoper: yes, we use that for tests a lot. note that reloading modules at runtime isn't supported... | 18:51 |
| noZoper | is there a tool that resets the instance? | 18:54 |
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| philiKON_ | noZoper: define reset | 19:12 |
| philiKON_ | you can restart the instance easil | 19:12 |
| philiKON_ | easily | 19:13 |
| philiKON_ | bin/zopectl restart | 19:13 |
| noZoper | where should reset be defined? | 19:13 |
| philiKON_ | huh? | 19:14 |
| philiKON_ | what do you want to do? | 19:14 |
| noZoper | reset the zope instance to as it was when Zope was first installed | 19:14 |
| philiKON_ | aaaah | 19:14 |
| philiKON_ | i see | 19:14 |
| philiKON_ | well | 19:15 |
| philiKON_ | just delete it and make a new one | 19:15 |
| philiKON_ | (that will throw away the database, though) | 19:15 |
| noZoper | yeah, but as all the changes have been made in ZODB I thought there might be a command to reset it | 19:15 |
| philiKON_ | well, if you only made changes to the zodb, then you can simply delete var/Data.fs | 19:17 |
| philiKON_ | this will throw out the database | 19:17 |
| philiKON_ | when you start zope the next time, it'll create a blank one | 19:17 |
| noZoper | I'll try that, thanks | 19:18 |
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| noZoper | what is the purpose of site components within an app? | 22:19 |
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| noZoper | is the framework described in zope.security used when granting permissions in ZMI? | 23:11 |
| philiKON_ | yes | 23:12 |
| philiKON_ | in a wa | 23:12 |
| philiKON_ | way | 23:12 |
| noZoper | depends on how the security policy is implemented i guess? | 23:13 |
| philiKON_ | exactly | 23:13 |
| noZoper | and checkers etc. | 23:13 |
| philiKON_ | the zmi stufff manipulates properties that are read by zope3's default security policy | 23:13 |
| philiKON_ | there's typically only one hecker implementation used | 23:13 |
| philiKON_ | the name based checker | 23:13 |
| noZoper | is this documented somewhere? | 23:15 |
| philiKON_ | what do you mean? | 23:17 |
| philiKON_ | there's my book that devotes a whole chapter to zope's security mechanism, and another one to the authentication mechanism | 23:18 |
| philiKON_ | http://worldcookery.com | 23:18 |
| noZoper | I'm still not clear on your description of how zmi manipulates properties so wanted some literature to read | 23:19 |
| noZoper | Nice site, by the way | 23:20 |
| philiKON_ | thanks | 23:21 |
| philiKON_ | the "Grant" views in the zmi mainuplate annotation data of objects | 23:21 |
| philiKON_ | to store permission information in | 23:21 |
| philiKON_ | the security policy knows how to inspect that annotation data | 23:21 |
| philiKON_ | this is abstracted through adapters | 23:21 |
| philiKON_ | see IPrincipalPermissionMap, IPRincipalRoleMap, etc. zope.app.securitypolicy.interfaces | 23:22 |
| philiKON_ | you adapt an object to one of those interfaces | 23:22 |
| philiKON_ | the object you obtain from that adapter repsents a persistent storage of those permission settings local to the object you adapted | 23:22 |
| philiKON_ | the securitypolciy uses that same adapter to find out about the permission settings again | 23:23 |
| philiKON_ | my book has an example of how to use this adapter to locally grant a role to a principal | 23:23 |
| philiKON_ | so much for the big picture. there aren't any walk through docs that explain all the bits and pieces, as far as i know | 23:24 |
| noZoper | ok, well I'll see where I get with that | 23:25 |
| philiKON_ | good luck | 23:25 |
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